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[NomadDan]

A sample size of 1,677 gives you >99% confidence interval for a 250 million adult population with only a 3% margin of error.

Why comment on something you know you don't know?

This entire political movement is based on overconfident people who don't know anything about the stuff theyre commenting on.

Reading those surveys out of america is so embarassing.

137,000,000 American adults read at or below the level of an 11 year old child.
That is absolutely wild. It also explains how consistently america is the only place even the stupidest options in a survey will see 20 to 30% support.
If 137 million are at or below a mental age of 11, that means about 70 million americans are barely functional, severely developmentally delayed and largely illiterate.

21% of all americans are illiterate.
Only 8 out of 10 Americans can read or write.

Absolutely unreal. What a complete wasteland. The highest GDP on earth and your education levels are below subsaharan Africa.

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Location of the sample and/or target audience can make a pretty large difference in the outcome of the survey. Surveys are pretty easily manipulated. A political survey taken in New York City is going to have very different results than a survey taken in Mesa, AZ. A survey taken by Yahoo is going to have a very different outcome then a survey taken by Fox. But, by your logic, those online surveys I see with 98% of a 10,000 person sample saying Trump is doing a good job should be trusted? This was discussed in a college statistics class I took. Even graph charts can be easily manipulated by using truncated axis or vertical/horizontal exaggeration. I would expect a bit more critical thinking from someone who likes to tout their intellectual superiority.

As for the rest of the post related to education, I totally agree with you. I spent a good bit of my youth outside the United States, and aside from college, I have not experienced the public education system here. But, you're right, it is lagging. The Department of Education has failed the American people. Your post proves that. Maybe Trump is right. Lets abolish the DOE and let states run their own education programs. It's worth a try anyway.

 

[CRSKTN]

Location of the sample and/or target audience can make a pretty large difference in the outcome of the survey. Surveys are pretty easily manipulated. A political survey taken in New York City is going to have very different results than a survey taken in Mesa, AZ. A survey taken by Yahoo is going to have a very different outcome then a survey taken by Fox. But, by your logic, those online surveys I see with 98% of a 10,000 person sample saying Trump is doing a good job should be trusted? This was discussed in a college statistics class I took. Even graph charts can be easily manipulated by using truncated axis or vertical/horizontal exaggeration. I would expect a bit more critical thinking from someone who likes to tout their intellectual superiority.

As for the rest of the post related to education, I totally agree with you. I spent a good bit of my youth outside the United States, and aside from college, I have not experienced the public education system here. But, you're right, it is lagging. The Department of Education has failed the American people. Your post proves that. Maybe Trump is right. Lets abolish the DOE and let states run their own education programs. It's worth a try anyway.

Well its a good thing they disclosed all the demographics, but you don't really care or you would have bothered to see their sample actually skews conservative, older and male.

This is all pretend armchair politics for low functioning people, dishonest simpletons and wannabe crooks.

The DoE hasn't failed the people and you know it, American southern conservativism did.

Every region that pulls down the average is a conservative, largely rural discrict.

Anti-intellectual/Chaos-agent clowns love to say "Government doesn't work, let us **** it up so we can prove it to you."

The answer to poor education isn't to burn the system down, and again you know it and don't care.

Whether America, Afghanistan or elsewhere, all the problems come from baselessly confident, uneducated, sheltered, ignorant conservative extremists.

News flash: People realize if you support this ****, you dont have a problem being a brazen liar.

 

[Sulu]

A sample size of 1,677 gives you >99% confidence interval for a 250 million adult population with only a 3% margin of error.

Why comment on something you know you don't know?

This entire political movement is based on overconfident people who don't know anything about the stuff theyre commenting on.

Reading those surveys out of america is so embarassing.

137,000,000 American adults read at or below the level of an 11 year old child.
That is absolutely wild. It also explains how consistently america is the only place even the stupidest options in a survey will see 20 to 30% support.
If 137 million are at or below a mental age of 11, that means about 70 million americans are barely functional, severely developmentally delayed and largely illiterate.

21% of all americans are illiterate.
Only 8 out of 10 Americans can read or write.

Absolutely unreal. What a complete wasteland. The highest GDP on earth and your education levels are below subsaharan Africa.

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Unfortunately, the column headers were missing from this table so I do not know what the numbers mean.

 

[NomadDan]

Well its a good thing they disclosed all the demographics, but you don't really care or you would have bothered to see their sample actually skews conservative, older and male.

This is all pretend armchair politics for low functioning people, dishonest simpletons and wannabe crooks.

The DoE hasnt failed the people and you know it, american southern conservativism did.

Every region that pulls down the average is a conservative, largely rural discrict.

Antintellectual clowns love to say "Government doesnt work, let us **** it up so we can prove it to you."

The answer to poor education isnt to burn the system down, and again you know it and dont care.

Whether America, Afghanistan or elsewhere, all the problems come from baselessly confident, uneducated, sheltered, ignorant conservative extremists.

News flash: People realize if you support this ****, you dont have a problem being a brazen liar.

So you agree that variances in samples can sway a poll? That was my point, and why I questioned the Yahoo survey. That contradicts your earlier defense that, "A sample size of 1,677 gives you >99% confidence interval for a 250 million adult population with only a 3% margin of error." That's all I was getting at. At least it seems we're on the same page now.

Here's the Yahoo sample: The Yahoo News survey was conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample of 1,677 U.S. adults interviewed online from March 20 to 24, 2025. The sample was weighted according to gender, age, race, education, 2024 election turnout and presidential vote, party identification and current voter registration status. Demographic weighting targets come from the 2019 American Community Survey. Party identification is weighted to the estimated distribution at the time of the election (31% Democratic, 32% Republican). Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in panel to be representative of all U.S. adults. The margin of error is approximately 2.6%.

Where does it say it skews older male?

New Mexico, Nevada, and Texas are amongst the top five lowest literacy rates in the nation, along with Mississippi and Louisiana. I don't think it has anything to do with "southern conservatism", especially when it comes to New Mexico and Nevada. If you have a source to back up that claim, great, but otherwise, I'll assume you're making a correlation where there isn't one.

And yes, I think schools should be the responsibility of the state, with some basic federal oversight (baseline test scores and federal funding as examples).

Just FYI, name calling and insults don't make you sound any smarter...lol. It makes you come across pretty narrow-minded. The ability to have a civilized debate is much more becoming.

 

[CRSKTN]

Unfortunately, the column headers were missing from this table so I do not know what the numbers mean.

It's just literacy rates for the countries.

Here's some fun findings to leave you with, in case you're wondering how a "Developed nation" gets to this point:

Literacy Data and its impact on the Nation

• Illiteracy has become such a serious problem in our country that 130 million adults are now unable to read a simple story to their children
• 21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2022
• 54% of adults have a literacy below 6th grade level
• 45 million are functionally illiterate and read below a 5th grade level
• 44% of the American adults do not read a book in a year
• The Top 3 states for highest child literacy rates were Massachusetts, Maryland, and New Hampshire, in that order (highest to lowest).
• The Bottom 3 states for child literacy rates were Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Mexico, (highest to lowest).

Literacy Data and its impact on the Economy

• 3 out of 4 people on welfare can’t read
• 20% of Americans read below the level needed to earn a living wage
• 50% of the unemployed between the ages of 16 and 21 cannot read well enough to be considered functionally literate
• Between 46% and 51% of American adults have an income well below the poverty level because of their inability to read
• Illiteracy costs American taxpayers an estimated $20 billion each year
• School dropouts cost our nation $240 billion in social service expenditures and lost tax revenues

Literacy Data and its impact on Society

• 3 out of 5 people in American prisons can’t read
• To determine how many prison beds will be needed in future years, some states actually base part of their projection on how well current elementary students are performing on reading tests
• 85% of juvenile offenders have problems reading
• Approximately 50% of Americans read so poorly that they are unable to perform simple tasks such as reading prescription drug labels

Literacy Data and its impact in the classroom

• Approximately 40% of students across the nation cannot read at a basic level.
• Almost 70% of low-income fourth grade students cannot read at a basic level.
• 49% of 4th graders eligible for free and reduced-price meals finished below “Basic” on the NAEP reading test.
• Teacher disposition changes drastically during reading instruction with poor readers.
• Student disposition changes when they are made to feel inadequate.
• Students struggle in other academic areas.
• 60% of the behavioral problems occur during reading assignments- group or independently.
• Struggling readers suffer socially.
• Struggling readers suffer emotionally.
• The student's family feels the emotions and social effects.

Even progressive states that make an effort are burdened by breakaway regions filled with homeschoolers, the barely literate, the conspiracy bound, and the resentful.

Countries in the middle east are no different. Everyone on Earth is grappling with issues pertaining to savage/barbarian populations.

I won't say more. The state of the world and reality makes this all self evident.
Just like in the 1930s, resentful, angry people are trying to ruin the world to get back at everyone for their own problems.

 

[CRSKTN]

Just FYI, name calling and insults don't make you sound any smarter...lol. It makes you come across pretty narrow-minded. The ability to have a civilized debate is much more becoming.

Keep this **** up. We are passed the point of being civilized when your President refers to sovereign nations as states, taunts the disabled, etc.

Where does it say it skews older male?

The full disclosure is available for this and the other thousand surveys done over recent years.
Nobody buys this bad faith sealioning bullshit.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

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[NomadDan]

Keep this **** up. We are passed the point of being civilized when your President refers to sovereign nations as states, taunts the disabled, etc.




The full disclosure is available for this and the other thousand surveys done over recent years.
Nobody buys this bad faith sealioning bullshit.

I don’t agree with everything Trump is doing. Renaming the Gulf of Mexico was dumb (just like Biden renaming military bases and Obama renaming McKinley), and his talk of Canada becoming a state isn’t conducive to anything. As a whole though, I think he’s doing a pretty good job, and I’m thrilled that we finally have a president that is taking the financial state of the country seriously. The fact that our interest payments have exceeded defense spending is ridiculous.

At least I’m not out there shooting buildings, burning cars, destroying other peoples’ property, or making death threats. 🤪

As for the survey, thanks for confirming it didn’t mention age or gender, like you previously claimed. I read it like four times trying to figure where you found that.

 

[Och]

 

[mikeavelli]

Good read…

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/04/02/trump-tariffs-evs-tesla-musk-jobs-00264134

 

[mikeavelli]

I don’t agree with everything Trump is doing. Renaming the Gulf of Mexico was dumb (just like Biden renaming military bases and Obama renaming McKinley), and his talk of Canada becoming a state isn’t conducive to anything. As a whole though, I think he’s doing a pretty good job, and I’m thrilled that we finally have a president that is taking the financial state of the country seriously. The fact that our interest payments have exceeded defense spending is ridiculous.

At least I’m not out there shooting buildings, burning cars, destroying other peoples’ property, or making death threats. 🤪

As for the survey, thanks for confirming it didn’t mention age or gender, like you previously claimed. I read it like four times trying to figure where you found that.

I don’t condone the violence but you can’t have two powerful men who are trying to take America back to 1802 who have fired off the most incendiary comments constantly for over a decade and then not understand why people are responding in kind. You can’t be hateful and mean and then expect respect and kindness. People are angry and rightfully so.

It is mind boggling to me that we have people more upset about the actions against the cars and not the reasoning for the violence. Instead of denouncing hate, racism, fascism etc etc, no let’s blame people for fighting AGAINST IT..

Now we have the “pROuD b0yS” coming to defend Tesla service centers. Again reinforcing the reason people are protesting. The irony lol.

 

[mikeavelli]

Any other CEO would be fired. a long time ago. The board are puppets not holding their CEO accountable. Shareholders are suddenly not important. If Akio Toyota did anything remotely what elon does Toyota would be crucified. If Mary Barra said anything remotely to the crap Elon does she would be gone, etc etc. Tesla simply would be much better off with new leadership.

 

[Och]

I don’t condone the violence but you can’t have two powerful men who are trying to take America back to 1802 who have fired off the most incendiary comments constantly for over a decade and then not understand why people are responding in kind. You can’t be hateful and mean and then expect respect and kindness. People are angry and rightfully so.

It is mind boggling to me that we have people more upset about the actions against the cars and not the reasoning for the violence. Instead of denouncing hate, racism, fascism etc etc, no let’s blame people for fighting AGAINST IT..

Now we have the “pROuD b0yS” coming to defend Tesla service centers. Again reinforcing the reason people are protesting. The irony lol.

Unless the matrix is running two alternate parallel universes, I just don't see how its possible for people to see the exact opposite of the observable reality. You're basically justifying one side's violence as free speech, but condemning the other people's free speech as violence.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Unless the matrix is running two alternate parallel universes, I just don't see how its possible for people to see the exact opposite of the observable reality. You're basically justifying one side's violence as free speech, but condemning the other people's free speech as violence.

Yup, also the other side tried lambasting Toyoda-san and his band of enthusiast-minded executives for much less than what Musk is doing by the way. Shareholders tried to kick him out of the company.

One cannot willfully ignore these things.