Century SUV Megathread
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I don't understand the point of a GRMN TNGA-K Century SUV 🤔
The CF elements and wheels are cool though.. is this supposed to be on par with a BMW M SUV handling wise or what's it's positioning?
I assume so because GRMN.. otherwise it would've been GR or even GR Sport.
The CF elements and wheels are cool though.. is this supposed to be on par with a BMW M SUV handling wise or what's it's positioning?
I assume so because GRMN.. otherwise it would've been GR or even GR Sport.
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They would be taken way more seriously if they started fresh with a blank slate. ICE's are going nowhere, so there's no need to build every single car of theirs riding on the TNGA-K platform. A GRMN means power and chassis upgrades over a regular GR car. There is no way they did anything remotely special with the GRMN Century, it's probably a lame bodykit tacked on.
I'm starting to come to the realization that Lexus was probably a stop-gap for Toyota for when they weren't building sports cars. Now that Toyota is going full-bore into developing GR cars from the ground-up, there isn't a need for Lexus anymore. Or... to make matters worse, they'll just bastardize Lexus into a pseudo-Tesla brand, which will drive Lexus enthusiasts and the old-fashioned Lexus customers away.
I'm starting to come to the realization that Lexus was probably a stop-gap for Toyota for when they weren't building sports cars. Now that Toyota is going full-bore into developing GR cars from the ground-up, there isn't a need for Lexus anymore. Or... to make matters worse, they'll just bastardize Lexus into a pseudo-Tesla brand, which will drive Lexus enthusiasts and the old-fashioned Lexus customers away.
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As I’ve said before, the LFR might be the last Lexus model truly worth looking forward to, but only if it carries the Lexus badge. If not, then this brand may never capture enthusiast attention again. Personally, if a car company no longer puts effort into building its cars, I won’t support it, let alone buy from it.
Over the past few years, we’ve heard too many rumors, LC F, LF-1 Limitless, the next-generation LS… but none of it ever came true. What we actually got were boring cars built on fwd platforms, with no performance, no design, and no soul. I’ve had enough.
Century: downgrades from V12 to V8 to V6.
Hongqi: develops a new twin-turbo V12 with 760PS and 1100N.m to replace the reverse-engineered M120 V12 from 20 years ago.
Boxer-4, Boxer-8, V8, V12. This is the year the world realize Chinese manufacturers are not just coming for their BEV industry, but their traditional ICE industries are not safe either.
Meanwhile all this talk from Toyota about "keeping ICEs alive" and a 2.0L I4 is the best they can do
Hongqi: develops a new twin-turbo V12 with 760PS and 1100N.m to replace the reverse-engineered M120 V12 from 20 years ago.
Boxer-4, Boxer-8, V8, V12. This is the year the world realize Chinese manufacturers are not just coming for their BEV industry, but their traditional ICE industries are not safe either.
Meanwhile all this talk from Toyota about "keeping ICEs alive" and a 2.0L I4 is the best they can do
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Imagine pretending you developed all that progress on not only BEV tech but in ICE engines that you've been stealing for 30+ years, and then turn around and laugh at the people who invented it.
China is gonna learn the same lesson the US is, except on their own scale.
You can't cheat reality. When you run out of things to rip off, is when you see who has the actual lead on things.
China is gonna learn the same lesson the US is, except on their own scale.
You can't cheat reality. When you run out of things to rip off, is when you see who has the actual lead on things.
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@Gecko I know this may be your worst nightmare since you're not that much of a BMW guy but can you make a BMW Enthusiast and Toyota Enthusiast forums pretty please? UuU
I'll help mod. :>
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King sh*t. Nice.
That's how the world always worked. Japanese "ripoffs" took over the world. Then the Koreans did the same.
One thing IP cannot protect against is the completely globalised academia. Every academic discovery is shared at every corner of the world since the internet era. And because academia always runs ahead of industry, there is almost no way to proactively defend against it. This is very different from the pre-internet era where commercial companies can "do things in secrecy". Chinese car makers are now some of the biggest sponsors of battery research world wide. A country can choose to completely close off their research institutes to foreign sponsors and researchers, but that's one short cut to falling behind.
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"Everything is a ripoff" says the ripoff artist.
And no, i work with companies with deep global IP portfolios, China is consistently a level above others in terms of nation state support of mass IP theft and corporate espionage.
The level of protection and compartmentalization required isn't even comparable with other nations.
And academia is not always at the forefront nor is work done under corporate confidentiality often publicly detailed.
Doing a "draw by numbers mona lisa" and then arguing every painting is a ripoff of another is wild.
Excuse me but who did I rip off? Why are you angry towards everything all the time?