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I failed to mention that 86 is 2021 model.Turning Mirai to RWD with more power is properly doing FCEV's promotion...
I'm a bit skeptical about 2nd gen 86... Even more with more displacement... Without any test-mule or prototype?
I was going to post about this but I didn't. So officially LM is meant to China and selected Asian market. Basically it means that Japan won't get it. Still there has been lot of interest towards the vehicle even Lexus Japan did not announce anything in Japan. Customers with GS and LS are calling dealers about LM in increasing number. One dealer in Tokyo area speculated that LM300h would surpass LS and GS sales. At launch it won't come to Japan. 2021 earliest to not to disrupt new Alvell sales. So it is older gen if you compare to new Alvell. Maybe it has short lifecycle and get refresh along Alvell PHV.Quite a lineup.
Am I reading correctly that there is a new Toyota Alphard but they just based the brand new Lexus LM on the old one...?
New info from bestcarweb.jp.
Models that very likely are announced at TMS:
New Alphard and Vellfire
Power unit will be highly popular 300h and top range V6 is changing to hybrid. No mentioning if it's one from Crown or LS. Question is: are we going to see both Alphard and Vellfire? Toyota has previously announced it will cut by half of its models in Japan as it merges dealerships to one. Both vehicles are very popular and sales scheme in China offering different models on Dongfeng and GAC sales channels.
As is the case with the 3rd-gen Toyota Sienta rumor at the top of this thread, the 2019 Tokyo show is too soon for the launch of the 4th-gen Alphard and Vellfire. The current 3rd-gen versions were launched in January 2015, and received their mid-life facelift (including FE-to-FKS upgrade of the 3.5-liter V6) on January 2018. Given their historical 6-to-7-year cycles, next Alphard and Vellfire should launch no sooner than January 2021, with January 2022 a distinct possibility.Am I reading correctly that there is a new Toyota Alphard but they just based the brand new Lexus LM on the old one...?
That sounds like a grandiose, even off-base description for a "tweener" minivan (larger than Noah/Voxy/Esquire but smaller than Alphard/Vellfire) that has been around in its present form since 2006 with just a single facelift. So, yes, a new Estima is as overdue as a new Yaris, Tundra or 4Runner. Or might Toyota simply let it die without a successor?New Estima
Estima has been Toyota's flagship technology showcase flagship. Development of new Estima is confirmed and we could expect futuristic design and powertrain. Addition to conventional 2.5l hybrid FCEV variant is added. I won't be surprised if there is some degree of self-driving (better than Tesla aka for city use) as I have with my own eyes witnessed Estima being used for self-driving mule in Japan.
Interesting if true. Moving Mirai from its current FWD architecture to a variation of the latest Crown's TNGA-N would make a closely-related GA-L Lexus LS FCV a more viable proposition. Bear in mind, however, that some rumors suggest that the LS FCV has been cancelled.New Mirai
Crown based TNGA RWD model. FC stack placed under rear seats and centre tunnel. Bestcar has heard some rumors that Mirai would be LS FCV's sister model.
Indeed, the "international" 6th-gen H300 HiAce was announced on February 2019 in the Philippines. The press release notes that "the current Hiace model will continue to be sold in Japan as-is, due to the different local market environment." Thus, a JDM 6th-gen HiAce debut is certainly a viable proposition for the 2019 Tokyo Motor Show. Those rumored 2.0l petrol and 2.4l diesel turbo powertrains are tiny, though, compared to the international HiAce's 1GD (2.8-liter turbo diesel) or 7GR (3.5-liter gasoline) options.New HiAce.
Different than February announced international HiAce. JDM version moves from over cab to semi-bonnet style for better safety. Dimensions won't change dramatically as it needs to fit in 4 number commercial category.Engines will be 2.0l petrol and 2.4l diesel turbo.
EXTRA: 860B 2nd gen Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ
It gets new engine FA24 which is 2.4l NA and expected power is 230ps/24.5kgm. Price from 3m ¥.
I'm a bit skeptical about 2nd-gen 86... Even more with more displacement... Without any test-mule or prototype?
Agreed. 2021 model year at the earliest sounds more viable for this.I failed to mention that 86 is 2021 model.
With the premium minivan market becoming increasingly competitive, I doubt Toyota will be able to continue commanding a huge premium for the Alphard and Vellfire, especially with the LM now sitting at the top of the pecking order.Flexus (or BestCarWeb?) accurately touched upon a very basic conflict within Toyota: a desire to consolidate its Byzantine four separate Japanese dealer networks into one (thus eliminating redundant variations and nameplates of the same basic model) versus the need for two separate variants of each major popular model to feed rival GAC and FAW Toyota joint ventures in China. This is most evident with the latest Toyota Corolla sedan, which defies the "one Corolla" consolidation of the hatchback model with separate "Prestige" (Chinese FAW and European Corolla) and "Sporty" (Japan, North America and Chinese GAC Levin) sedans. Thus, I'd agree that China will retain separate Alphard (for GAC) and Vellfire (for FAW) vans.
A second "big minorchange in late fall 2019" after the minor one in January 2018? And the 4th-gen pushed back to spring 2022? I remain skeptical of that timetable, but can't be ruled out, either, the way so many Toyota models have seen extended cycles via second facelifts. Or it may have something to do with this:Little birds sang that Alvell receives big minorchange in late fall (TMS). New interior and exterior looks and 2WD setting for the hybrid model. Model change is likely in early spring 2022.
These comments hit upon something I've been wondering about: much as narrow and wide variants of Corolla and Camry were eventually consolidated into a single wide size for sale around the world, might we see similar consolidation or convergence between Sienna and the Alphard/Vellfire/LM triplets? There's certainly some logic in doing so, but also some issues making this convergence iffy. For one, per Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Sienna enters production in early March 2020, whereas 4th-gen Alvell wouldn't go on sale until sometime between January 2021 and early spring 2022. And the last Nissan Quest as thinly-disguised (albeit widened) JDM Nissan Elgrand was such a sales failure in North America that the nameplate was retired for good.That makes me wonder whether the Vellfire is just a stop gap measure to appease FAW. There has been a rumor for a while that a FAW Sienna is in the works, there is possibility that the Sienna will replace the Vellfire.
Some may say 'wait but the Vellfire is a luxury transport while the Sienna is a kids hauler'. No, these two sell for similar prices in their primary markets ($35-45k). FAW can just follow Buick's two-tier strategy with the GL8.
Meanwhile GAC could be working on a locally-produced Alphard. Together with Sienna it will chase for market share instead of just margins. Toyota will not let GM have the market to its own.
The Alvell has a 1.9m height and 1.4m cabin height since it is widely used as a mobility vehicle in Japan. Yes 1.8m vans like the Estima can also provide wheelchair access but that 10cm extra makes a lot of difference to ease of access hence the Alvell's popularity for this use.might we see similar consolidation or convergence between Sienna and the Alphard/Vellfire/LM triplets?
Or...maybe not. An Automotive News Europe article suggests that Toyota will join all Fiat Chrysler's marques, Nissan, Volvo, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Rolls-Royce, Aston Martin, Subaru and Suzuki in skipping the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show. As things stand at the moment, 22 brands have decided not to exhibit in Frankfurt, according to an Automobilwoche survey (that's Automotive News' German-language publication).And don't forget the way-overdue successor to the current 4th-gen Vitz/Euro Yaris. My best guess is that it'll make its world debut at the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show in September as the first TNGA-B Toyota...