2nd Generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ Thread (3cyl GR 86 Coming?)

[Levi]

No f###ing way!

I was looking at current gen GT86/BRZ, you find used with very little kms for 20K, but minimum is 15K regardless of kms or year. With no new model coming, current gen prices will go higher.

Now my two favorite cars will have to be imported.

 

[maiaramdan]

My view it's like Renault and Nissan way of work
In Europe it will be Toyota more than the other TMCs
India and surrounding will be Suzuki as usual

Subaru , Mazda & Lexus sharing the other
Even though I feel the last 3 role keep decreasing

 

[carguy420]

Why Subaru's website specifically mentioned that this 2nd gen BRZ is "all new" and "completely redesigned"? So is it more than just an updated version of the current platform? Or are they using those 2 terms in a misleading way(hopefully that's not the case)?

 

[Sulu]

Why Subaru's website specifically mentioned that this 2nd gen BRZ is "all new" and "completely redesigned"? So is it more than just an updated version of the current platform? Or are they using those 2 terms in a misleading way(hopefully that's not the case)?

That is typical marketing language when a new generation is being introduced. If the automaker calls a model a "new generation", regardless of the extent of the changes -- some new generations were limited to changing only a few, but not all body panels -- it will be described by Marketing as "all new" and "completely redesigned".

 

[Will1991]

What is the latest expectation on the motor(s)... or do we know? I haven't heard anything.

An FA24, based on the current FA20.

Rumors point out to be mainly a torque increase, specially on lower revs, than outright power.

 

[Gecko]

An FA24, based on the current FA20.

Rumors point out to be mainly a torque increase, specially on lower revs, than outright power.

Still NA, non turbo?

 

[Will1991]

Still NA, non turbo?

According to most recent rumors... Yes, NA.

So, 6 or 7 more years about "turbo is coming next year"

 

[supra93]

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142652

 

[spwolf]

No f###ing way!

I was looking at current gen GT86/BRZ, you find used with very little kms for 20K, but minimum is 15K regardless of kms or year. With no new model coming, current gen prices will go higher.

Now my two favorite cars will have to be imported.

why would Subaru not importing BRZ to EU mean that Toyota wont do GR to EU?

It really has nothing to do with each other.

 

[Levi]

Do I see a part from the Lexus bin, the RC F fender?

 

[Gecko]

I really wish they would rename the Toyota car "GR Celica" to go with "GR Supra" and keep riding the nostalgia wave 🤪

 

[supra93]

 

[supra93]

why would Subaru not importing BRZ to EU mean that Toyota wont do GR to EU?

It really has nothing to do with each other.

It looks like you maybe correct.

Toyota GR86 will arrive in Europe and other markets after all? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86 will arrive in Europe and other markets after all? GR86 General Topics (2nd Gen 2022+ Toyota 86)

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[F1 Silver Arrows]

It looks like you maybe correct.

Toyota GR86 will arrive in Europe and other markets after all? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86 will arrive in Europe and other markets after all? GR86 General Topics (2nd Gen 2022+ Toyota 86)

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LET'S FREAKING GOOOOOOOO.

 

[Levi]

Saved.

 

[supra93]

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Subaru BRZ confirmed for Australia in 2021!

International reports that the incoming Subaru BRZ will be a vehicle for "America only" have been panned by the brand in Australia, with local representatives telling CarsGuide "we will get the next-generation BRZ".

In news that will cause a collective sigh of relief to whistle across this country, the next-gen BRZ is a lock for a local launch, with CarsGuide understanding we will see it in our market around the third quarter of 2021.

 

[maiaramdan]

So it's matter of TMC role distribution as I said before

 

[spwolf]

So it's matter of TMC role distribution as I said before

TMC does not dictate what Subaru does.

EU sales September 2020
Toyota - 80000
Subaru - 2000

Together with very strict CO2 penalties, Subaru might actually exist EU markets or deploy more Hybrids/EVs from Toyota since they dont have low CO2 powertrains now. Like what Suzuki did.

They will certainly not launch low volume sports car that has high CO2.

On the other hand, Toyota has record share in Europe, has very low CO2 (lowest) due to hybrids and they will certainly launch sports/halo car such as GR86 - that is why they are making it.

 

[maiaramdan]

I was thinking maybe something like RN for managing the process
But, I really agree in your view

 

[spwolf]

I was thinking maybe something like RN for managing the process
But, I really agree in your view

I dont think even Renault - Nissan manage it like that, internally those brands are still separate, and fight for their own market share and revenue/profit

In any case, except for Daihatsu, TMC does not influence decisions of Subaru, Suzuki and Mazda. They are all competing separately.