Oh I see it now, it's 3.3 turbo and not 3.0 supercharged mild hybrid
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Really happy for Mazda.
However, it goes without saying......
B58 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
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This is the base engine? Interesting positioning.
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No, there is a 3.3L NA I6 making 280 horsepower which is quite sad by 2023 standards.
But this turbo engine makes exactly the same power as the 2020 GR Supra's B58 but with a 0.3L greater displacement. If the Mazda engine had the same HP/L ratio as the 2020 GR Supra's B58 (113.3333 HP/L) then it should be making 374 horsepower, and even then it won't be enough because the B58 is underrated by a solid 10%.
If we're referring to the quoted 2021+ GR Supra B58 (127.3333 HP/L) power numbers then the Mazda inline-six should be making 420 horsepower. The irony again being, if you were to dyno the 2021+ cars, the GR Supra is making something to the tune of 430-440 horsepower.
Mazda going full-steam with utilizing the Atkinson cycle is going to starve these engines from the power that they need to be competitive in the premium market. All of this in exchange for a few more MPGs.
And yet people still kept insinuating that this is good enough for the A100 GR Supra or a Lexus product. No.
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Give it a chance! B58 is an amazing engine but this might be as well in higher tunes. I do want to feel Stellantis' hi-po i6 as well in a car.
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I'm insinuating higher-performance version of the engine, obviously not expecting the tuned for a crossover version to go directly into an A100 without any modification. The X5 40i makes 335hp out of the B58, X7 got uprated to the 375hp version. Who knows what this engine's potential is!
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I find Stellantis' engine to be way more impressive IMHO. Looks to be a solid engine so far.
This is true. However both iterations of that B58 are quite underrated though. Mazda tends to make weaker engines relative to what they advertise, and not in terms of raw horsepower and torque numbers, but how the engine delivers that power.
I find it hard to believe this HO especially will be good in the long run, 26psi 500hp in a 6000lb vehicle. In a charger would be nice.
A "bad" Lexus IS/Mazda 6 twin with 340 PS I6 to compete against the BMW 340i would better than no Mazda 6 or the Lexus IS that is on sale now. I'd rather have "not good enough" than "not at all".
The B58/S58 however perfect, I could not care less in a CUV.
There is enough info on the web today that Mazda 6 was indeed the first RWD model they developed and then just decided not to do it.
Yup that was way back in 2018. The IS/RC was also rumored to go on that platform also. Then BMW's. Then their own (GAL). Now still on the same as 10 years ago
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Mazda CX-60 vs Lexus NX vs Volvo XC60: 2022 group test review | Auto Express
The new Mazda CX-60 PHEV is designed to appeal to premium SUV buyers, so we test it against the Lexus NX and Volvo XC60 to see how it fares
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Great showing by Lexus here.
I know this is really old (over 2 years ago) but Nissan had the Skyline crossover. Mitsubishi and Suzuki also had RWD unibody SUVs in the Pajero and Grand Vitara. Century SUV aside, the Land Cruiser SE might be their first premium RWD CUV. Maybe some e-TNGA crossover beats it first but I doubt it.
Until now we don’t know if the Landcruiser SE is ICE (or HEV or PHEV) or BEV. Other than the BMW iX (more minivan than SUV) only Audi and soon Porsche will have a ground up BEV. Range Rover BEV is ICE based, and the Mercedes EQS is not really a success story. A heavy PHEV for the LC SE makes sense after all.