2022 Honda Civic

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Cmon not even close. Replacing the LC with Supra is understandable. Both RWD coupes and the Supra is much more a sports car. Replacing a NSX with a 4 door Civic? That is beyond lame.

It would be like the LC 500 being replaced by a Corolla in Super GT.

Not just any Corolla but GR Corolla
See, it's not a Civic, it's the Civic Type R!!!!
LOL

I think I read somehwere in PR they did this to promote Type R brand. What Type R brand? Honda Japan couldn't even bother to do NSX Type R. What a company. They have Formula 1 championship winning engine that they cannot even call Honda anymore cause they pulled out right before they were going to win it for the first time. When they saw the second title is about to happen they begged RB to allow them to slap some side stickers on a car for Japan GP. Why bother in Formula 1 for ten years if you are not going to develop that Type R brand and spread it across dedicated models? And the kicker is they want to come back to F1 for 2026 but they can't partner up with Red Bull cause Red Bull will be designing their own power units by then. Part of the people invovled in RB PU project came from guess where? Honda F1 programme. What a company.

They are lucky Acura has nothing so they can repackage Type R hatch into Type S sedan and call it a legacy.

 

[carguy420]

All this screams is MAJOR cost cutting at Honda. Removing entry level trim for the Civic. Removing hi-po Accord options. Shared general interior across Civic, HRV, CRV, Accord, Integra.. and to a certain extent the Pilot as well. Not to mention all of their major EV projects are with either GM or Sony. Things aren't doing well I think for them.

Feels like Honda themselves aren't even sure which route they want to continue on, sticking with a combination of ICEs and electrified vehicles or completely switch to EVs, their decisions right now all feel like they're trying to cover their a$$ as much as possible just in case things don't pan out the way they expect. If they are truly serious about going full EV by 2040, then they better be prepared to lose a decent chunk of the sales that they have from developing markets, because EVs might never become a popular choice maybe even forever in those countries.

 

[Sulu]

Feels like Honda themselves aren't even sure which route they want to continue on, sticking with a combination of ICEs and electrified vehicles or completely switch to EVs, their decisions right now all feel like they're trying to cover their a$$ as much as possible just in case things don't pan out the way they expect. If they are truly serious about going full EV by 2040, then they better be prepared to lose a decent chunk of the sales that they have from developing markets, because EVs might never become a popular choice maybe even forever in those countries.

Honda is not the only automaker in such a situation. All of Japan's automakers -- Honda, Toyota, Nissan, et al -- are not sure which side of the ICE vs BEV fight they should be on.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

2023 Honda Civic Type R Scalper Who Paid $20K Over Sticker Can't Sell Their Car

A failed auction for a 2023 Honda Civic Type R may show that flipping new high-demand cars may not be profitable anymore.

www.thedrive.com

 

[carguy420]

2023 Honda Civic Type R Scalper Who Paid $20K Over Sticker Can't Sell Their Car

A failed auction for a 2023 Honda Civic Type R may show that flipping new high-demand cars may not be profitable anymore.

www.thedrive.com

Ah, another person promoting their own stupidity on the internet, it's a freaking hopped up Civic, not some limited production, mind blowing supercar or hypercar.

 

[carguy420]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a62353517/2025-honda-civic-sport-sedan-test/

Only 150 hp and 133 lb-ft of torque from a direct injection, high compression 2.0L na engine in 2024, I bet Soichiro Honda is rolling around in his grave at how meh the company that he founded has become. A plainass normal K20 from the early 2000s is already making 160 hp and 142 lb-ft of torque lol.

 

[ssun30]

Toyota was able to push the M20A-FXS to 130kW with 13:1 compression ratio. But I don't know why they only offer it on the FWD version of Corolla Cross Hybrid.

 

[Flagship1]

The civic and corolla trade number one positions every year or so, much more when a full platform refresh. Tbh they could stick a hamster on a wheel for all it matters and the numbers probably wont change.

This segment only gets appalled when hq messes up styling cues.

 

[Sulu]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a62353517/2025-honda-civic-sport-sedan-test/

Only 150 hp and 133 lb-ft of torque from a direct injection, high compression 2.0L na engine in 2024, I bet Soichiro Honda is rolling around in his grave at how meh the company that he founded has become. A plainass normal K20 from the early 2000s is already making 160 hp and 142 lb-ft of torque lol.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a62353517/2025-honda-civic-sport-sedan-test/

The engine swap of one 2.0-liter inline-four for another is mostly focused on efficiency. The new unit runs on the thriftier Atkinson cycle, resulting in less power and torque than before.

This Civic's engine runs on the Atkinson cycle (similar to Toyota's hybrid engines), a lower-power but higher efficiency engine than a same-sized Otto cycle engine.

The high compression ratio number is deceiving; it is referring to the long expansion stroke. The compression stroke is shorter. This gives the Atkinson cycle engine greater thermal efficiency than a traditional Otto cycle engine.

The common thread throughout Atkinson's designs is that the engines have an expansion stroke that is longer than the compression stroke, and by this method the engine achieves greater thermal efficiency than a traditional piston engine.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle)

The Atkinson cycle delays the intake valve’s closing until the piston has completed 20 to 30 percent of its upward travel on the compression stroke. As a result, some of the fresh charge is driven back into the intake manifold by the rising piston so the cylinder is never completely filled (hence the low-speed power reduction). The payoff comes after ignition when the piston begins descending on the expansion (also called power) stroke. Consistent with Atkinson’s original thinking, the shortened intake stroke combined with a full-length expansion stroke squeezes more work out of every increment of fuel.

(https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...n-combustion-cycle-and-what-are-its-benefits/)

 

[carguy420]

You can use a wide angle intake vvt to switch between Atkinson cycle and Otto cycle, many car manufacturers today are doing this, don't tell me Honda somehow can't do this. Also, Toyota and Mazda have no problem at extracting more power out of high compression NA gasoline engines. So much for this so called “best engine manufacturer” in the world lol.

 

[ssun30]

You can use a wide angle intake vvt to switch between Atkinson cycle and Otto cycle, many car manufacturers today are doing this, don't tell me Honda somehow can't do this. Also, Toyota and Mazda have no problem at extracting more power out of high compression NA gasoline engines. So much for this so called “best engine manufacturer” in the world lol.

Honda does use simulated Miller Cycle on the L15B 1.5T

 

[larryren]

Toyota was able to push the M20A-FXS to 130kW with 13:1 compression ratio. But I don't know why they only offer it on the FWD version of Corolla Cross Hybrid.

In fact, 131kw data it is non-hybrid version for Gen.8 Camry/19-22MY Avalon at pre-National 6B RDE emission regulation in China. After 2023, N6B RDE emission regulation enforcement. Toyota have been detuned to 130kw, and now 2024 are 127kw in Gen.9 Camry/25MY Avalon🤝. But it seem still more powerful than USDM Civic's K20C9.

 

[mikeavelli]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a62353517/2025-honda-civic-sport-sedan-test/

Only 150 hp and 133 lb-ft of torque from a direct injection, high compression 2.0L na engine in 2024, I bet Soichiro Honda is rolling around in his grave at how meh the company that he founded has become. A plainass normal K20 from the early 2000s is already making 160 hp and 142 lb-ft of torque lol.

And it’s over 27k as tested… wild

 

[ssun30]

In fact, 131kw data it is non-hybrid version for Gen.8 Camry/19-22MY Avalon at pre-National 6B RDE emission regulation in China. After 2023, N6B RDE emission regulation enforcement. Toyota have been detuned to 130kw, and now 2024 are 127kw in Gen.9 Camry/25MY Avalon🤝. But it seem still more powerful than USDM Civic's K20C9.

I was talking about the low-compression FXS variant (hybrid-only) used on the Corolla Cross hybrid FWD. Chinese market M20F/M20G-FXS only received the high-compression version.

 

[larryren]

I was talking about the low-compression FXS variant (hybrid-only) used on the Corolla Cross hybrid FWD. Chinese market M20F/M20G-FXS only received the high-compression version.

I have check all region selling the 2L hybrid Corolla Cross website(USA/Canada/Australia/New Zealand/Europe/Hongkong), and select FWD trim every available region(no FWD trim for NA region). It all mark same 112kw maximum engine output. If the data quote for somewhere, that obviously got mistake.