2017 Lincoln MKZ, Buick LaCrosse......quite an improvement for both.

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Check this out....for 2017, next spring when it is introduced, the Lincoln MKZ gets a new Continental-inspired grille (IMO it looks Jaguar-esque), new interior trim, new knob controls on the console replacing those idiotic capacitors (I couldn't stand them), and some major changes under the hood......one version will have a 400 HP/400 ft-lbs. from the twin-turbo 3.0L V6.

The LaCrosse gets what IMO are enormous interior trim-improvements, the traditional tri-colored Buick emblem,

Those of you at the L.A. show (the public show starts Friday) should be able to see them there...but they may not be out on the floor, unlocked. You might have to look at it on a turntable.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/18/2017-lincoln-mkz-la-2015/

Quiet Luxury: Intuitive Technology, Effortless Performance and Distinctive Design Drive 2017 Lincoln MKZ

-Suite of cutting-edge intuitive technologies including available adaptive cruise control with stop-and-go, auto hold, Pre-Collision Assist with Pedestrian Detection and enhanced park assist help ease the new Lincoln MKZ driving experience
-Effortless performance enabled by available new Lincoln-exclusive 3.0-liter GTDI V6 engine, which creates a quiet, powerful ride, or popular hybrid option
-Distinctively redesigned from the inside out, including three new Lincoln Black Label themes available, plus two available Revel® audio systems delivering the height of Lincoln luxury

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 18, 2015 – Discover your new favorite space. The new Lincoln MKZ combines intuitive technology, effortless performance and distinctive design to deliver an enhanced driving experience Lincoln calls quiet luxury.

Lincoln reveals a newly designed MKZ today, focusing on areas most desired by today's luxury midsize sedan customer – quality, performance and style.

"Our customers are looking for three attributes in a luxury midsize sedan – technologies that ease their everyday experience, a beautiful design that is crafted with attention to detail, and a vehicle with impressive power that makes it a pleasure to drive," said Kumar Galhotra, president of Lincoln. "The new Lincoln MKZ elevates all of these attributes – and many more – to create a compelling entry in this large and highly competitive portion of the luxury market."

The new Lincoln MKZ is designed to appeal to those who are looking for something different in the luxury market. From the placement of technology features such as the push-button gear shift to reimagined interior spaces including the floating center console, drivers can relish in discovering an unexpected experience based on intelligent function and beautiful form that offers, above all, an enjoyable drive.

The Lincoln Experience is brought to life through the available Lincoln-exclusive 3.0-liter GTDI V6 engine, as well as intangible elements like the quiet cabin provided by the Active Noise Control system.

Features that make the new Lincoln MKZ a haven of refined comfort include curated spaces for storage, the availability of three Lincoln Black Label interior packages with exclusive, personal in-home design consultation, available fully retractable panoramic glass roof, and concert-quality Revel® audio with specially designed doors for optimal positioning of the speakers.

Intuitive technology
The new Lincoln MKZ is designed to make the drive ride easier and more enjoyable. Available adaptive cruise control with stop-and-go functionality automatically can slow the car, resuming higher speeds when traffic clears. The system activates the brakes automatically to bring the car to a complete stop if the driver fails to apply brakes in time1.

An auto hold feature keeps the car at a complete stop without the driver having to press and hold the brake pedal – making stop-and-go driving more relaxing for MKZ owners.

Available enhanced park assist uses ultrasonic sensors to help Lincoln MKZ seamlessly steer itself into a parallel or perpendicular parking spot. The car can assist with park-out as needed1.

Pre-Collision Assist with Pedestrian Detection is an available technology that can help avoid some frontal crashes (1), or lessen the severity of such events.

Lincoln-exclusive engine provides effortless performance
An all-new, Lincoln-exclusive 3.0-liter GTDI V6 leads available engine choices for the new Lincoln MKZ. When paired with an intelligent all-wheel-drive system, the twin-turbocharged engine produces 400 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque (2,3 )for effortless performance and refinement.

Dynamic Torque Vectoring (4), part of an available Driver's Package for MKZ with the 3.0-liter engine, enhances cornering agility without compromising ride comfort, helping drivers enjoy a smooth, seamless experience.

The new Lincoln MKZ provides a hybrid alternative as well; and a 2.0-liter GTDI, 245-horsepower2 four-cylinder engine with front-wheel drive.

Available Lincoln Drive Control allows drivers to adjust among three drive ride modes – comfort, normal and sport. The system includes continuously controlled damping, and electric power-assisted steering to provide comfortable, confident handling.

The Driver's Package for Lincoln MKZ with 3.0-liter V6 also includes 19-inch wheels, Ebony-painted calipers, light Magnetic-painted grille, Ebony interior with carbon fiber appliqués, customizable multi-contour seats and aluminum pedal covers. In addition, the package features retuned continuously controlled damping and suspension for enhanced driving dynamics.

Distinctive design
The new face of Lincoln is highlighted by available adaptive LED headlamps that help deliver cleaner, clearer lighting for drivers, complemented by the all-new one-piece Lincoln signature grille.

Inside, engineers paid particular attention to the sound and feel of new switches and dials that replace slider adjustments for easier control of ventilation and audio functions for new Lincoln MKZ customers. Commonly used buttons and USB ports are now even easier to access.

Two all-new Lincoln Black Label themes, Chalet and Vineyard, as well as Thoroughbred, deliver desired uniqueness and options paired with luxurious materials. Lincoln MKZ's available fully retractable panoramic glass roof offers the largest open-air roof among sedans.5

The new Lincoln MKZ goes on sale in summer 2016.

1. Driver-assist features are supplemental and do not replace the driver's judgment. 2. Tested with 93-octane fuel. 3. 3.0-liter GTDI V6 engine in front-wheel drive models is limited to 350 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque. 4. Requires 3.0-liter GTDI V6 engine and AWD. 5. Based on effective roof opening as measured by Webasto.

About The Lincoln Motor Company
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Buick Introduces All-New 2017 LaCrosse
Leaner and sleeker with effortless technology

LOS ANGELES – Beautifully crafted and thoughtfully innovative, the 2017 Buick LaCrosse offers full-size sedan customers a striking, all-new design, sophisticated technologies and more-responsive performance.

The next-generation LaCrosse also introduces the new face of Buick, which is influenced by the dramatic cues of the award-winning Avenir concept. Notably, it features a new grille design with a large opening distinguished by the return of a three-color – red, silver and blue – Buick tri-shield insignia, accented by wing- shaped elements set against darkened waterfall grille bars.

Buick revealed the 2017 LaCrosse today at the Los Angeles Auto Show. It goes on sale early next summer.

"The new LaCrosse signals the next phase of Buick's international momentum," said Duncan Aldred, vice president of Buick Sales and Marketing. "Its quietness, comfort and connectivity were developed to set new standards in the segment, supported by technologies not offered on competitors such as the Lexus ES. It is also drop- dead gorgeous."

Longer, lower and wider than the current model, the 2017 LaCrosse is built on a stronger yet lighter structure. In fact, it is about 300 pounds lighter than the current LaCrosse – thanks largely to the use of press-hardened, high-strength steels – which contributes to greater efficiency and more responsive handling.

The new LaCrosse's lower weight is also due in part to new, dissipative sound- absorbing materials that are lower in mass, but provide more effective sound attenuation, resulting in a new threshold for Buick's signature QuietTuning and forming a pillar of the car's enhanced comfort.

The balance of the efficiency equation comes from a technologically advanced, second-generation 3.6L V-6 paired with a new eight-speed automatic transmission. Standard Stop/Start technology improves efficiency in stop-and-go driving.

Additional new and enhanced features include:

 New five-link rear suspension and available HiPer Strut front suspension
 Available electronically controlled Continuous Damping Control active suspension with selectable Touring and Sport modes
 Driver-selectable Electronic Precision Shift
 Advanced, all-new dual-clutch AWD system (available)
 Efficiency-enhancing low-drag disc brakes with Duralife rotors
 Electric power steering system with Lead/Pull Compensation
 Easier rear-seat entry/egress and more usable storage space
 Technologies including available wireless charging, available Teen Driver and configurable, LED driver information center with 8-inch-diagonal color display
 Perforated leather-appointed front seats with new lumbar massaging feature
 IntelliLink with frameless 8-inch-diagonal color touchscreen featuring Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and OnStar 4G LTE with Wi-Fi hotspot integration.

The 2017 LaCrosse also features extensive active and passive safety features that offer driver awareness and protection surrounding the vehicle, including:

 Ten standard air bags – including two knee air bags for front passengers
 Front Pedestrian Braking, which alerts drivers to and can automatically apply the brakes for pedestrians detected directly ahead in some driving conditions
 Lane Keep Assist, which provides gentle steering wheel turns – and Lane Departure Warning alerts, if necessary – to help drivers avoid crashes due to unintentionally drifting out of their lane
 Automatic Park Assist, which helps the driver parallel park/perpendicular park by automatically steering the vehicle into a detected parking space while the driver applies the brakes
 Adaptive Cruise Control
 Forward Automatic Braking
 Forward Collision Alert
 Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert
 Rear Vision Camera
 Safety Alert Seat.

"The blend of sophisticated technologies and advanced safety systems offer a more enjoyable and engaging driving experience," said Aldred. "It's a rewarding sedan for those who seek luxurious appointments, style and quality."

New face of Buick

The new LaCrosse's expressive exterior design creates a new proportion, rendering a more dramatic road presence. The front wheels have been pulled forward and the wheelbase stretched 2.7 inches (65 mm), while the overall length is only 0.6-inch longer (15 mm). The dynamic proportion is further enhanced by a roofline that's 1.6 inches (40 mm) lower than the current model.

The longer wheelbase is matched by wheels pushed outward 1.3 inches (33 mm) in the front and 1.1 inches (28 mm) in the rear, while the car's width has grown only 0.4-inch (10 mm), creating a wheels-at-corners stance that conveys road confidence.

"It's a sleeker design that looks confident and purposeful," said Holt Ware, exterior design director. "Stretching the wheelbase, lowering the roofline and making it slightly wider creates a dramatic effect that is enhanced by the design's supporting elements such as the swept headlamps."

LaCrosse's new proportion is further complemented by an all-new grille that signals the next chapter in Buick's design anthology. Inspired by the Avenir concept, it's distinguished by a new, three-color tri-shield insignia set on a wing-shaped element. Contrasting with darkened waterfall grille bars and spanning the width of the opening, it connects the grille and headlamps, and emphasizes LaCrosse's new sculptural surfacing. The design was introduced on the Avenir concept and was inspired by the 1954 Wildcat II concept.

"It's the new face of Buick – one that reflects the sophistication, modernity and international reach of this evolving brand," said Ware. "The new, winged motif also emphasizes the wider, lower proportion of the LaCrosse."

The signature sweepspear body-side design element has been reinterpreted in a modern fashion, enhancing the car's sculptural identity. It has a split design that gives the body side a greater perception of depth, while picking up additional body lines, for an elegant, uninterrupted flow from the front fenders to the rear.

The 2017 LaCrosse's body lines are reinforced by a longer, uninterrupted "daylight opening" – the portion of the upper body between the A- and C-pillars. They're ringed with chrome, which adds a tastefully restrained premium accent to the body side.

Other details blend form and function such as outside mirrors mounted on pedestals on the doors rather than the corners of the front side windows. The design offers a greater field of view, while the mirror housings were shaped in the wind tunnel to help reduce wind noise.

Aerodynamic considerations also drove the dynamic sweep of the decklid, which acts as a spoiler to optimize airflow over the LaCrosse, and the front of the car features deflectors in front of the tires to reduce drag.

Additional exterior elements include:

 High-intensity discharge headlamps and LED signature lighting are standard
 LED taillamps are standard
 Eighteen-inch wheels are standard and 20-inch wheels are available
 Active grille shutters
 Capless fuel filler on all models.

Seamless ambience, authentic craftsmanship

The new LaCrosse's interior is designed to offer an open and inviting space for passengers – one that is relaxing, luxurious and well-connected. Sculpturally beautiful form and premium materials complement technologies developed for effortless interfacing.

It is the first Buick with a new single cockpit design aesthetic, characterized by a horizontal form that sweeps across the instrument panel and into the doors. It also incorporates a "floating" center console that positions the controller for the new Electronic Precision Shift high and close to the driver, while creating storage space below the console for items such as a handbag or tablet.

"There is fluidity in the interior forms – a seamless ambience that flows throughout the cabin," said Liz Wetzel, interior design director. "Like the exterior, there is sculptural beauty in the interior's functionality, complemented with high-quality, authentic materials and exceptional attention to detail."

That attention to detail includes soft materials for virtually every touchpoint; real French stitching on the seats, instrument panel and more; and genuine aluminum sill plates and wood décor trim, depending on the model.

"There is a handcrafted essence that is inviting and rewarding," said Wetzel. "It is clean environment that is designed to refresh and inspire."
A number of new and enhanced available luxury features amplify the LaCrosse's comfort quotient:

 Three fashion-inspired interior trim choices: Jet Black, Dark Atmosphere and Shale, and Jet Black and Brandy
 Contemporary Moon White ambient lighting
 Eight-way-adjustable heated and ventilated front seats with new massage feature – with improved heating for quicker warm-up on cold mornings
 Perforated leather-appointed seats
 Heated steering wheel with power tilting/telescoping steering column
 Dual-zone automatic climate control
 Power rear sunshade
 Premium Bose® audio system.

It also offers greater, more practical storage space and easier access. The rear doors, for example, open wider and offer easier entry/egress, and the trunk not only offers approximately 7 percent more storage space than the current model, but was configured to accommodate four golf bags.

Sophisticated, intuitive technologies – including phone integration

As one of the segment's most technologically advanced vehicles, the new LaCrosse offers a host of communication and convenience features designed for effortless connectivity.

The central technology is the latest edition of Buick IntelliLink, which is controlled by a new, frameless 8-inch-diagonal color touchscreen located at the center of an ergonomically optimized instrument panel. Along with the climate system and other features on the "center stack," it was designed with fewer buttons and controls for more intuitive use.

Phone integration technology is paired with IntelliLink and is designed to take phone features users would want to access while driving and put them on the 8- inch display via Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. The features allow customers to use select smartphone apps through the touchscreen interface. Many features can be controlled via voice commands through a button on the steering wheel, helping drivers keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel.

Additional LaCrosse technology highlights include:

 All-new Electronic Precision Shift – Rather than a traditional shifter, gears are chosen and engaged via a simple toggle pull. It provides smooth, precise and responsive shifting while enabling added storage in the center console.
 Configurable, high-definition driver information center – Located in the center of the gauge cluster and flanked by round instrument binnacles, it has a large, 8-inch-diagonal full-color display.
 Head-up display – This available feature offers four page views: speed, audio, navigation and performance. It also offers alerts for certain active safety features such as Lane Keep Assist and Forward Collision Alert.
 Available Teen Driver Technology – It encourages safe driving habits for new drivers by muting the audio or any device paired with the vehicle when front-seat occupants aren't wearing their safety belts. It also provides audible and visual warnings when the vehicle is traveling over predetermined speeds – and offers a "report card" for parents.
 Wireless charging – When equipped with this available feature, the phone storage slot in the center console enables inductive charging without the need for plug-ins or cables.

Buick QuietTuning process

The new LaCrosse builds on the exemplary reputation of the current model – already a benchmark in the segment – to offer an even quieter driving experience that contributes to the car's comfort and enjoyment.

Significantly, the Buick QuietTuning team employed a dissipative approach to sound attenuation rather than the current model's barrier system. That means the sound is absorbed primarily with a specialized, lightweight dissipative dash mat rather than heavier noise-blocking pads.

Additional quieting features include:

 New five-link rear suspension provides greater isolation from road noise than the current four-link design
 Active noise cancellation is standard on all models
 Acoustic wheelhouse liners
 Acoustic-laminated windshield and front side windows
 Triple-sealed doors
 Improved body noise-path sealing
 The windshield wipers "park" below the hood line to reduce wind noise.

Next-generation powertrain

LaCrosse's all-new 3.6L V-6 engine with direct injection and dual overhead cams represents the second generation of GM's acclaimed DOHC V-6 engine family and incorporates new features such as Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation) and Stop/Start technology.

Active Fuel Management system temporarily deactivates two the 3.6L's cylinders in light-load driving conditions to enhance fuel efficiency and seamlessly reactivates them when the driver demands full power.

With the efficiency-enhancing Stop/Start system, the engine is shut down in certain driving conditions such as stop-and-go city driving to reduce fuel consumption, automatically restarting when the driver takes his or her foot off the brake pedal.

Additionally, noise-reducing features including an all-new cam drive system contribute to the vehicle's benchmark quietness.

The 3.6L is estimated at 305 horsepower (227 kW) and 268 lb-ft of torque (363 Nm); and it's matched with a new eight-speed automatic transmission.

Balanced, efficient driving experience

Thanks to its new, lighter and stiffer architecture – and a number of new and enhanced complementing technologies – the 2017 LaCrosse offers a driving experience that is as responsive and direct as it is quiet and comfortable. It also offers enhanced capability with Buick's first twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system.

A new five-link rear suspension is the central component of the improved ride and handling characteristics. It helps reduces roll center motion, enables positive lateral control and promotes excellent dynamic stability. In short, it helps keep the tires planted on all surfaces – and contributes to a quieter ride through greater isolation from road noise.

At the front, a MacPherson-strut suspension is standard and Buick's HiPer Strut suspension is used on front-wheel-drive models with 20-inch wheels. It helps reduce torque steer and maintain negative camber during cornering, improving maximum grip in all road conditions. It also improves the direct feel of the vehicle, while isolating undesirable feedback.

Available, electronically controlled Continuous Damping Control further optimizes ride comfort and handling capabilities over varying road surfaces and profiles. It's an active suspension system that can adjust damping every two milliseconds, with Touring and Sport damping modes selected by the driver through the Electronic Precision Shift.

Also contributing to LaCrosse's more-direct driving experience is an enhanced, rack-mounted electronic power steering system, which incorporates Lead-Pull Compensation. It automatically adjusts the steering angle to account for factors like crowned roads or high crosswinds.

LaCrosse's new twin-clutch AWD system offers the ultimate in grip in and control, with better performance during acceleration and cornering. It allows torque to be split between the rear wheels for optimal performance and the twin-clutch design uses independent clutch actuation to determine and control the amount of torque sent to each rear wheel.

Additional chassis and driver control features on the 2017 LaCrosse include:

 Low-drag four-wheel disc brakes with Duralife rotors, which offer up to double the service life of conventional rotors
 Hill Start Assist with Automatic Vehicle Hold, which can hold the brakes up to five minutes, depending on conditions
 Electronic park brake
 Shear-type suspension mounts that offer greater ride, handling and noise isolation attributes.

FAST FACT: Sales of the Buick LaCrosse have exceeded 900,000 globally since it went on sale in 2009.
 

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The new Lincoln does look very nice. Don't care for the Buick at all.
Much of what is in the new LaCrosse looks like it was taken from the upcoming Cadillac CT6, though the CT6 will be a somewhat larger flagship.
 

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Pretty amazing that the Lincoln has its own 3.0 Turbo for 400hp not shared with Ford. Very nice touch.

While those are clearly very doctored media pics, the Lacrosse interior seems amazing! Well done Buick, they are going to continue to sell a ton of these.
 

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Yes, the 3.0 tt with 400 hp is a super upgrade in the Lincoln. The MKZ styling is still terrible and will continue to hamper sales until they finally reskin the entire car. Notice how Lincoln doesn't provide any rear pics to media because it's (still) so ugly. Slapping a new hood, front clip and front fenders on a unattractive design doesn't truly fix it.

I need to see this Buick exterior design in person to see if it looks better than current Lacross design that is quite attractive. The interior looks elegant, assuming that's not acres of fake wood.
 

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Yes, the 3.0 tt with 400 hp is a super upgrade in the Lincoln. The MKZ styling is still terrible and will continue to hamper sales until they finally reskin the entire car. Notice how Lincoln doesn't provide any rear pics to media because it's (still) so ugly. Slapping a new hood, front clip and front fenders on a unattractive design doesn't truly fix it.

I agree that the rear end could also use some work, but the (IMO) attractive Jaguaresque front end at least gets rid of that silly wing-grille. Somehow, the new MKC and MKX manage to do a better-looking wing-grille up front. (since you find the Lincoln alphabet soup confusing, those two are the small and medium-size SUVs).

I need to see this Buick exterior design in person to see if it looks better than current Lacross design that is quite attractive. The interior looks elegant, assuming that's not acres of fake wood.

Traditional Buick buyers usually like fake wood, though I agree with you that, if cost will allow it, the real stuff is generally better.
 

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Traditional Buick buyers usually like fake wood, though I agree with you that, if cost will allow it, the real stuff is generally better.

Yes, agreed, not that Buick is growing its sales based on wishes of traditional Buick buyers since most of the traditional buyers are no longer able to drive. Fake wood in 2015 is best avoided by even tier2 lux brands.
 

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Yes, agreed, not that Buick is growing its sales based on wishes of traditional Buick buyers since most of the traditional buyers are no longer able to drive. Fake wood in 2015 is best avoided by even tier2 lux brands.

That is true to some extent, if you are talking about 85 or 90-year-olds who have been buying them for decades, many of who are in nursing homes. But it is also over-stereotyped, as many Buick buyers are neither senior citizens or particularly sport-oriented. For example, the Regal GS, which is arguably Buick's most sport-oriented model in the U.S. (unless they put the rumored Grand National into production, which probably won't happen since GM is cutting Australian Holden production), is not selling well at all. In fact, the entire Opel-rebadged Regal line has not done well in the U.S. at all, caught between the Verano and LaCrosse, both of which clearly outsell it.

One can also like traditional Buicks without being a geezer. When me and my best friend were in high school in the late 60s, we both liked big American luxo-cruisers (and there were plenty of them in production at the time). Of course, like normal teen-agers, we also liked the American muscle-cars of the time. Among other cars, I had a big Buick when I was in college, and loved it...though I couldn't afford a new car at the time.

On the topic-the new 2017 LaCrosse......one thing you will notice is that, unlike the previous-generation LaCrosse, the design DOES seem to be aimed somewhat back towards the traditional Buick buyer....the return of the traditional red/white/blue Buick Tri-Shield (which will also be on the Cascada convertible), portholes on the side of the fender instead of the hood, more wood trim inside (whether real or fake?), and easier-to-use round knobs/rotary-controls instead of electronic sensors. But.....don't worry. I still don't see any whitewall tires or vinyl roofs LOL. :D
 
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On the topic-the new 2017 LaCrosse......one thing you will notice is that, unlike the previous-generation LaCrosse, the design DOES seem to be aimed somewhat back towards the traditional Buick buyer....the return of the traditional red/white/blue Buick Tri-Shield (which will also be on the Cascada convertible), portholes on the side of the fender instead of the hood, more wood trim inside (whether real or fake?), and easier-to-use round knobs/rotary-controls instead of electronic sensors. But.....don't worry. I still don't see any whitewall tires or vinyl roofs LOL. :D

LOL, as stated "traditional Buick buyers usually like fake wood" goes right along with whitewall tires and vinyl roofs. :D I see we have some expertise here, while making "geezer" distinctions.

Fortunately Buick doesn't put easier to use round knobs and the traditional logo into the same category as above stereotypes, as they move ahead with even better cars.
 
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LOL, as stated "traditional Buick buyers usually like fake wood" goes right along with whitewall tires and vinyl roofs. :D I see we have some expertise here, while making "geezer" distinctions.

I was just making some humor, that's all. Traditional Buick/Cadillac vinyl roofs and big whitewalls are often the butt of jokes. Even the Cadillac DTS gave up on them long ago, except for some dealer-installed packages which rarely sell nowadays.

I also don't like to use the term "geezer", since none of us are getting any younger LOL. ;)
 

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I see, but you were the only/first one to use term "geezer" about Buick in post #8, (if you recall that is, LOL)...;)

Yes, I've been known to. I don't like to make a habit of it, though. One thing about that age group, though, that helps the auto industry is that they do tend to have a lot of money to spend on new cars. Many people, though not all, are at their best financially just before or at retirement. That's one reason (not the only one) why a lot of upmarket/luxury vehicle sales go to them.
 

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On the MKZ, I think it's getting the potential to give the LaCrosse some good competition (and maybe the overpriced Cadillac CTS)...but I agree with Steve that the rear end now needs some work.
 

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Doesn't really matter. Buyers perception and market share do.
I just read another piece on USA TODAY where Buick is bragging "with features not found on Lexus ES350".
When will they learn? GM declared war on BMW several times and it's NEVER come to fruition.
Sorry, but my family (parents, aunts, uncles) were staunch Buick / GM owners during their golden years with the LeSabre and Century.
We have been driving Lexus exclusively since 2006.
I'll admit she's biased because of my passion for all things automotive including having been employed in the industry, but my own mother flat out rejected Buick when I showed her under the hood of a Verano and a Regal. Driving a 4-cylinder Buick was the last straw and it was back to Lexus.
No new Lexus (won't speak for old used model owners) owner would seriously consider a Buick or a Lincoln over a Lexus.
The experience of shopping to servicing are so polar opposite in my experience.
In my area, you see few and far between new Buick or Lincoln products. The visibility of Lexus has grown exponentially. I'm sure that it's mimicked throughout the country.
 

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Neither of which I consider a "real" Lexus.
The NX is a rebadged Toyota RAV4 and the CT might as well be a Scion IMO. #sorrybutnotsorry
 

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Neither of which I consider a "real" Lexus.
The NX is a rebadged Toyota RAV4 and the CT might as well be a Scion IMO. #sorrybutnotsorry

Well, I don't disagree with you on the CT....I think we see eye to eye on that one. When I did my CT200h review several years ago (I was in another forum), I said then that, IMO, except for the superb NuLuxe upholstery in the CT, with its road noise and lack of ride comfort, it probably should have been marketed as a Toyota rather than a Lexus. However, its sales have done reasonably well as a Lexus. The NX is not exactly a rebadged RAV-4, but, yes, is done on the same general platform. I agree (as does Consumer Reports) that it also does not provide traditional Lexus comfort, either....the new RX is noticeably nicer than the NX, and with better road manners, inside and out.
 

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Doesn't really matter. Buyers perception and market share do.
I just read another piece on USA TODAY where Buick is bragging "with features not found on Lexus ES350".
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Yes, essentially that just ends up being free advertising for Lexus and reminds premium car buyers of who's the market leader.

I'm from a Ford family (and we can get them cheaper than nearly everybody here) and nobody in this biased family has any interest or cares/knows the alphabet-soup Lincoln model lineup. My family members focus on Mercedes and Lexus brands when shopping for their premium vehicles.
 

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Yes, essentially that just ends up being free advertising for Lexus and reminds premium car buyers of who's the market leader.

Except for the LaCrosse/ES350 rivalry that has been going on for several years, most Lexus products don't compete directly with most Buicks. Buick doesn't have anything in the CT's range. Nor does it have anything that competes with the LS or GS. Nor does it have any truck-based SUVs like the GX and LX. Nor does it have a small RWD sedan like the IS. Buick DOES have, though, one thing that Lexus doesn't (but that Lexus may be working on)...a crossover 3-row SUV in the Enclave. Also, the LaCrosse has an AWD option...the ES doesn't.

I'm from a Ford family (and we can get them cheaper than nearly everybody here) and nobody in this biased family has any interest or cares/knows the alphabet-soup Lincoln model lineup. My family members focus on Mercedes and Lexus brands when shopping for their premium vehicles.

As far as getting them cheap, Ford is introducing a new Friends and Family pricing system meant to boost sales. And, the guy I bought my IS300 from is now the GM (no pun intended) of a huge Ford dealership here in the D.C. area (he sold Lexus products as a salesman when his late father owned the Ford conglomerate, and, off course, got that job when his dad passed away). I sometimes refer or take prospective Ford/Lincoln customers to that shop if they are seriously interested, and, of course, do reviews there myself.

As far as knowing alphabet-soup, I've found that it never hurts to know which vehicle is which, especially if one comes to you for advice, and asks questions about this vehicle or that. Infiniti's new naming system, IMO, is as bad (or worse) than Lincoln's.
 

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Except for the LaCrosse/ES350 rivalry that has been going on for several years, most Lexus products don't compete directly with most Buicks. Buick doesn't have anything in the CT's range. Nor does it have anything that competes with the LS or GS. Nor does it have any truck-based SUVs like the GX and LX. Nor does it have a small RWD sedan like the IS. Buick DOES have, though, one thing that Lexus doesn't (but that Lexus may be working on)...a crossover 3-row SUV in the Enclave. Also, the LaCrosse has an AWD option...the ES doesn't.



As far as getting them cheap, Ford is introducing a new Friends and Family pricing system meant to boost sales. And, the guy I bought my IS300 from is now the GM (no pun intended) of a huge Ford dealership here in the D.C. area (he sold Lexus products as a salesman when his late father owned the Ford conglomerate, and, off course, got that job when his dad passed away). I sometimes refer or take prospective Ford/Lincoln customers to that shop if they are seriously interested, and, of course, do reviews there myself.

As far as knowing alphabet-soup, I've found that it never hurts to know which vehicle is which, especially if one comes to you for advice, and asks questions about this vehicle or that. Infiniti's new naming system, IMO, is as bad (or worse) than Lincoln's.

. Except that the topic is not CT, LS, GS, truck-based SUV's. Yes, the topic is Buick Lacross, which is why Buick mentioned (its competition) Lexus ES350 in it's ads.

. As far as getting them cheap, most Ford employees (including my family) still actually get additional discounts beyond "Friends and Family" pricing which is old news and just another advertising gimmick because MSRP's are so bloated and unjustified.

. Nobody comes to me for advice about Lincoln products, it's never on their automotive radar. Ford products, yes and often.