16th Generation Toyota Crown (Sedan, Cross, Sport, Estate/Signia)

[Levi]

Maybe it'll be rebadged "Crown Mirai" for the US to replace the current Mirai

Bad idea. Won't sell because Mirai is associated with FCV, buyers won't know nor inquire if it is ICEV.

 

[Ali Manai]

And Europe? We don't even have IS anymore, and no CT.

The crown sedan is rumoured to be launched in Europe and confirmed for japan and china

 

[Gor134]

Bad idea. Won't sell because Mirai is associated with FCV, buyers won't know nor inquire if it is ICEV.

Oh i'm assuming the Crown sedan will only come here if it's an FCV.. no way it would sell better as an ICEV Toyota more than a potential 5GS for a business proposition.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

And Europe? We don't even have IS anymore, and no CT.

Manifesting the return of the Lexus GS. 🙏🏻

 

[NomadDan]

Crown sport will be announced in a month or two and sedan would be oct-nov

I really hope it is available here in the US. Maybe if they sold it here with a Venza badge on it.

 

[maiaramdan]

The crown sedan is rumoured to be launched in Europe and confirmed for japan and china

Logic

EU market loves the FR
It will go head 2 head with E / S , 5 / 7 & A6 / A8

 

[maiaramdan]

Manifesting the return of the Lexus GS. 🙏🏻

Crown sedan with 5010 mm is like Long wheel GS or Short wheel LS , a special category by it's own

 

[MrT]

Logic

EU market loves the FR
It will go head 2 head with E / S , 5 / 7 & A6 / A8

A6/A8 FR?

 

[Ali Manai]

Longitudnal ff although awd are rear wheel biased which make up most sales

 

[maiaramdan]

A6/A8 FR?

Of course not, I am talking about the mid category that crown created

 

[Levi]

From previous show in China:


The car looks like a Lexus in quality/luxury/presence. Hopefully it gets more than 2.4 Turbo Hybrid, because again, it will be too close to a potential ES 500h, unless ES 350h will be the highest power model and will not even have an ES 450h+ version.

 

[maiaramdan]

ES will never be turned to FR

Don't worry

 

[Levi]

ES will never be turned to FR

Don't worry

ES killed the GS. Crown Sedan needs more than "T24A 500h" powertrain, at least "T24A 550h+" or simply the great "8GR-FXS 500h".

And I don't see how Direct4 of T24A hybrid will fit in FR layout.

 

[maiaramdan]

ES killed the GS. Crown Sedan needs more than "T24A 500h" powertrain, at least "T24A 550h+" or simply the great "8GR-FXS 500h".

And I don't see how Direct4 of T24A hybrid will fit in FR layout.

ES not only killed GS
ES killed the Avalon, Mark-X, longer IS
ES killed Crown itself before it came back like a phoenix
ES killed Toyota soul for long time

But I think the new Crown sedan dimensions set it apart from the ES
The 2.4 T hybrid maybe found under the sedan but not as the top engine
TMC needs to spread the R&D cost
So I think it will get the 2.4T hybrid and the 3.4TT hybrid for all hybrid car

 

[JustADude]

I'd just ask for a detuned V35A for the top spec of the Crown. Base T24 hybrid should have around 320hp, TTV6 should have close to 400hp

 

[Will1991]

Most probably is the 3.5 V6 Hybrid that’s found on the LC/LS500h and on current Crown.

This seems to be a heavy refresh rather than a all new model.

 

[JustADude]

I mean that 2GR/3.5 V6 is being phased out in everything right now, I don't see that happening. But I'd like for it to stay, but with the newer hybrid systems.

 

[Ali Manai]

With EU keeping ice alive with e fuels toyota really needs a straight 6 in the fr and bof lineup, relegate the v6 to fwd crossovers

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

With EU keeping ice alive with e fuels toyota really needs a straight 6 in the fr and bof lineup, relegate the v6 to fwd crossovers

That's exactly what I was thinking. It's the perfect time for Toyota to develop a perfect inline-six. If anything if it's super successful it will prompt the other FWD-based cars to switch platforms.

There is a vast swath of the buyer base that do not want full EVs yet. Look at BMW with their mild-hybrid options with the inline-six, they're selling real well because those engines not only perform well, but have spectacular fuel efficiency.

Toyota could do so well in this segment, their reluctance to get back in the game confuses me.

 

[LS500-18]

Inline 6's have such a smooth wonderful amount of torque. I have a couple of older I6 vehicles (AMC/Jeep). If I had to have a straight up gas engine that's naturally aspirated, I would always pick an I6 as my first choice.