16th Generation Toyota Crown (Sedan, Cross, Sport, Estate/Signia)

[NXracer]

One of the many other examples of the market direction:
Citroen C5X:

Peugeot 408 coming...

Europe loves their wagons, everywhere else not too sure. And if this is what is being launched in the next a couple of weeks...I guess its gonna require a strong PR campaign, and incentives at least in the USDM.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

One of the many other examples of the market direction:
Citroen C5X:

Peugeot 408 coming...

Unlike the Crown this actually looks beautiful.

 

[Ali Manai]

Merc gle and glc
Although crown and Citroën do look better

 

[Gor134]

Unlike the Crown this actually looks beautiful.

Not sure if I would call the new S230 Crown beautiful.. the S210/S220 though, definitely!

EDIT: You wrote UNLIKE the Crown and I'm an idiot and misread it LMAO

 

[carguy420]

Now, where's that bottle of bleach?

 

[Sulu]

If that is PHEV AWD I will buy one instantly to replace my ES300h. Bonus points if it's a hatchback.

You and I may be in the minority.

If this new Crown is a PHEV and sits only a bit higher than a Camry, like an Audi Allroad, it is a likely candidate as a replacement for my Camry Hybrid. A hatchback would be nice but AWD is not a necessity for me.

I don't want something that sits too high off the ground, increasing the rollover risk; but something a bit higher than a normal sedan could make it easier to get in and out of, especially for aging bodies, like my parents and like me in a few years.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Not sure if I would call the new S230 Crown beautiful.. the S210/S220 though, definitely!

EDIT: You wrote UNLIKE the Crown and I'm an idiot and misread it LMAO

No worries bud. :^)

 

[Levi]

Oh well, it just got revealed, the new Peugeot 408.

 

[Levi]

Did you know new VW Passat BEV is the same idea?

 

[Ali Manai]

The side front look ok but rear ends are hideous

 

[ssun30]

This kind of body style is inevitable for EVs because the extra floor height restricts headroom. The roofline needs to be 10cm taller to match the headroom of a comparable ICEV.

 

[Ali Manai]

Large sedans in the 70's-90's were 1500-1550 mm tall but never looked hideous

 

[Ali Manai]

The worst offender are those black plastic claddings

 

[Levi]

This kind of body style is inevitable for EVs because the extra floor height restricts headroom. The roofline needs to be 10cm taller to match the headroom of a comparable ICEV.

That is why BEVs still also have design limitations contrary to BEV "propaganda". "skateboard" BEV might have low COG than ICEV, because of the low position of the battery and its weight, but in design the car looks belly heavy and tall.

 

[carguy420]

Large sedans in the 70's-90's were 1500-1550 mm tall but never looked hideous

Ummm... large sedans from the 70s to 90s are in the 1400mm height range, not 1500mm.

 

[Ali Manai]

Ummm... large sedans from the 70s to 90s are in the 1400mm height range, not 1500mm.

They were pretty close around 1490 95

 

[Ali Manai]

Heck the 14th gen crown was 1495

 

[ssun30]

Older sedans had a lot more ground clearance (160-180mm) and are closer to modern crossovers.

Very low sedans only became common in the past decade because of this obsession with "sportiness". My biggest complaint about the ES is its very low ground clearance (130mm). I scrape my front bumper against speed bumps all the time. The XV40 I owned earlier had 160mm of clearance.

 

[Levi]

Older sedans had a lot more ground clearance (160-180mm) and are closer to modern crossovers.

Very low sedans only became common in the past decade because of this obsession with "sportiness". My biggest complaint about the ES is its very low ground clearance (130mm). I scrape my front bumper against speed bumps all the time. The XV40 I owned earlier had 160mm of clearance.

But again, today's CUVs, while being taller don't have more ground clearance than old sedans. With BEVs it is getting worse. See Hyunda Ioniq 5.

 

[Ali Manai]

The worst bit is they have very small windows