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Shown tonight alongside the new GR GT was a Lexus concept we’ve seen before: The Lexus Sport Concept, which debuted at Pebble Beach in August.

What’s new? That concept has now been renamed as the LFA Concept, indicating Lexus’ vision for a future battery-powered sports car. Where the GR GT packs a hybrid twin-turbo V8, the new LFA Concept will be purely electric. The new LFA, GR GT, and GR GT3 have been developed together and will share technology and platform commonalities.
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I want him to make a total exposé on the downfall of Lexus and talk about how they overpromised and underdelivered with these cars. I want 15 minutes of reading material from Gecko I know he has it in him. 😂😂

We need to talk about the stillborn F cars, the GS, LS, LC... all of it.

I'm kind of thinking podcast for that? Like a year end edition? Need some other folks to do it with me.

2025 has been a pivotal year for Lexus.
 
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I'm kind of thinking podcast for that? Like a year end edition? Need some other folks to do it with me.

2025 has been a pivotal year for Lexus.
Podcast, Reddit post, NYT Opinion piece... anything. Car enthusiasts and journalists are happy about TMC's current state (to be fair I'm not completely "unhappy" either) but they don't really understand what's truly going on deep down at TMC.

You need something that will generate a lot of reach and have tens of thousands of people seeing this, and eventually the entire enthusiast community. I do think you could pull it off on your own if nobody else that's close to TMC wants to join, but perhaps they can send you messages that you can read and divulge your message to the general public but also masking your sources as anonymous users. After that, all it will take is for users here to spread the message on different platforms.
 

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I think a lesson learned for me personally is to not doubt BestCar's scoops. Their recent track record is almost 100% accurate. I think their poor predictions on Lexus F cars (which made me dismiss them in the first place) caught them by surprise as well. When BestCar post high detail renders, it means they have seen the real car. GS-F/LC-F/LS-F/LF-1 were real, and their last-minute cancellations have to be personal command from Akio Toyoda himself. He's the only person capable of making this kind of decision on four projects that reached design freeze and had advanced engineering prototypes. BestCar's whole coverage on GR GT/LFR/LFA II has gradually evolved to be entirely accurate by September 2025. A good example is them insisting the Lexus BEV will be called the LFA, NOT LFR. I have always thought it as a ridiculous idea but here we are.
 
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I think a lesson learned for me personally is to not doubt BestCar's scoops. Their recent track record is almost 100% accurate. I think their poor predictions on Lexus F cars (which made me dismiss them in the first place) caught them by surprise as well. When BestCar post high detail renders, it means they have seen the real car. GS-F/LC-F/LS-F/LF-1 were real, and their last-minute cancellations have to be personal command from Akio Toyoda himself. He's the only person capable of making this kind of decision on four projects that reached design freeze and had advanced engineering prototypes. Their whole coverage on GR GT/LFR/LFA II has gradually evolved to be entirely accurate by September 2025.
These are the kind of details that you need to add @Gecko so you can give not only the car community, but also TMC a big, proverbial slap across the face. Given you said that these cars were real, we need people to actually have some hard evidence to see for themselves and for them to truly understand what's going on behind closed doors.
 

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These are the kind of details that you need to add @Gecko so you can give not only the car community, but also TMC a big, proverbial slap across the face. Given you said that these cars were real, we need people to actually have some hard evidence to see for themselves and for them to truly understand what's going on behind closed doors.
That's almost impossible because BestCar never admit they have internal sources in any of the Japanese car companies, even though we are 99.9% sure that's actually the case. And I suppose in other parts of the world similar people have NDAs and even if NDAs expire they don't want to burn their bridges.
 
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That's almost impossible because BestCar never admit they have internal sources in any of the Japanese car companies, even though we are 99.9% sure that's actually the case. And I suppose in other parts of the world similar people have NDAs and even if NDAs expire they don't want to burn their bridges.
You can be sure that there's a lot of private parties that would be willing to leak a thing or two anonymously. There's a handful of people within these forums that know a lot of information.
 

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A good example is them insisting the Lexus BEV will be called the LFA, NOT LFR. I have always thought it as a ridiculous idea but here we are.
I was under the assumption the GR GT was going to be Lexus LFR (if Lexus won the bid) and the LFA II was going to be the BEV. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
 

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BestCar also accurately reported on this being given to GR in October 2024.

Late decision explains the Lexus spindle body design, ES steering wheel, and AC vents.