Tesla - Brand Perception/Opinions

[Sulu]

Even housing should be depreciating assets (land not), but interestingly housing prices increase, although they should be renovated after 25 years.

The appreciation of the land grows faster than the depreciation of the neglected building on it.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

Tesla’s Toxic Culture Has Spread to Its New Plant in Austin

Allegations of sexual harassment, racial discrimination, and dangerous conditions are now surfacing at another Tesla factory.

www.thenation.com

 

[Flagship1]

Does this only happen at Tesla factories or is everyone else just really good at pr?

 

[Motor]

At the one minute mark.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/

Tesla Has the Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands, Study Finds​

Tesla vehicles suffer fatal accidents at a rate that's twice the industry average, according to a new report.

Tesla's vehicles have the highest fatal accident rate among all car brands in America, according to a recent iSeeCars study that analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS).

The study was conducted on model year 2018–2022 vehicles, and focused on crashes between 2017 and 2022 that resulted in occupant fatalities. Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study; Kia is second with a rate of 5.5, and Buick rounds out the top three with a 4.8 rate. The average fatal crash rate for all cars in the United States is 2.8 per billion vehicle miles driven.

The study also breaks down some of the data for individual models. The Tesla Model S has a rate more than double than average, at 5.8 per billion vehicle miles driven; meanwhile, the Tesla Model Y — the best-selling vehicle in the world has a fatal crash rate of 10.6, nearly four times the average. It ranked as the sixth worst vehicle overall. (The Hyundai Venue took the top spot overall, with a fatal crash rate of 13.9.)

The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well.

So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”

 

[CRSKTN]

Surely deregulation and cronyism will solve this

 

[mikeavelli]

I saw this Automotive News article on the Automotive News app and thought you'd be interested.

Tesla’s Gigafactory dumps toxic wastewater into Austin sewer system, report says

Tesla’s Gigafactory dumps toxic wastewater into Austin sewer system, report says

The revelations in the Journal’s investigative story come as Tesla CEO Elon Musk emerges as one of President-elect Donald Trump’s closest advisers.

www.autonews.com

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[mikeavelli]

Ah yes so good for the environment

 

[Och]

I saw this Automotive News article on the Automotive News app and thought you'd be interested.

Tesla’s Gigafactory dumps toxic wastewater into Austin sewer system, report says

Tesla’s Gigafactory dumps toxic wastewater into Austin sewer system, report says

The revelations in the Journal’s investigative story come as Tesla CEO Elon Musk emerges as one of President-elect Donald Trump’s closest advisers.

www.autonews.com

For more great content like this subscribe to the Automotive News app here: https://www.autonews.com/subscribe

The original article in WSJ is written by Becky, Susan, and Emily. Three angry Karens with much ado about nothing, lol.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

Listen im not going to lie Tesla M3 is probably one of the best commuters i have owned. I used to knock it but after owning one with FDS, Summon and just the car being so cheap to run. Its really hard to knock it as a commuter. I think its fantastic, is it fun to drive not at all. Its far and away from anything of my RCF Fuji Speedway Edition or our Supra in terms of build quality and engagement. However as a commuter it costs me 2 bucks to charge and is fantastic to go to work in Mon-Thurs. Friday is F day of course. I have no clue why people knock them for a commuter its a value thats really hard to beat and theres the closest thing to zero range issues because the SC network is fantastic and the best system that puts the car in another range in EVs.

The issue with EVs is really the network and range and Tesla just mops the floor with others on that combo. ( Although NASC is being adopted finally by more autos )

The issue i see are folks that rely on other networks. I have tried that and its horrific.

Owning a Tesla is like owning a Mac Book Pro, yes its tech is fantastic tech but they get alot of hate for i think reasons that come with a bag of haterade cherry flavor in my view lol.

The build quality indeed is no where new a brand lets say Lexus but good enough that it wont bother you because it does well at its higher functions.

The car drives you to work, drives you to a supercharger and picks you up. As 4th car we drive to save on fuel as a commuter its fantastic.

 

[CRSKTN]

https://www.autoblog.com/news/teslas-self-driving-components-are-failing-and-owners-are-mad

Tesla's self-driving components are failing, and owners are mad​

A failing computer onboard Tesla Model 3 and Model Y cars can potentially cripple essential driving functionalities.

• Nate Swanner
• Jan 14, 2025

• Tesla is facing significant issues with the A14.1 onboard computer used in their Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.
• Since mid-2024, these computers have been short-circuiting, causing a loss of key features such as active safety, auto wipers, cameras, GPS, and navigation.
• This has led to frustration among Tesla owners awaiting replacements or temporary fixes.
• The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is also investigating these problems but has not yet announced a formal investigation.

 

[mikeavelli]

**** elon

 

[Sulu]

I hope there are no fires caused by the short-circuiting FSD computers.

I wonder if the wipers can be turned on "manually" (I know, everything is accessed through the central screen) even though the auto wiper function is gone?

 

[Och]

Huge props to Elon for parting fools with their money. The whole FSD was always clearly a scam to anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense, and the nasally voiced annoying fools that fell for it very much deserve what they've got, lol.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

I don't quite get the affected pool this is representing, I say this because i use FSD every day and its damn near flawless. Never quite understood the Elon hate, Yes the cars are boring but they are amazing commuters and honestly its the only EV that you can actually take road trips on without range anxiety due to the SCN. The man is a leading the frontier on EVs and Space and AI which i just dont know what other automotive CEO even comes close to the global impact this man is achieving in our modern day.

The fact that he gets a call from many governments to provide internet in negatively impacted areas is quite frankly astonishing. I find the whole hate campaign quite bizarre for a person thats co-developing the Artemis program ( One of the most impressive recent space programs in human history ) with NASA. Then again people never gave Captain Planet a 7th season and that man defeated Captain Pollution with salt water so maybe its not that far-fetched in terms of logic.

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[spwolf]

I don't quite get the affected pool this is representing, I say this because i use FSD every day and its damn near flawless. Never quite understood the Elon hate, Yes the cars are boring but they are amazing commuters and honestly its the only EV that you can actually take road trips on without range anxiety due to the SCN. The man is a leading the frontier on EVs and Space and AI which i just dont know what other automotive CEO even comes close to the global impact this man is achieving in our modern day.

The fact that he gets a call from many governments to provide internet in negatively impacted areas is quite frankly astonishing. I find the whole hate campaign quite bizarre for a person thats co-developing the Artemis program ( One of the most impressive recent space programs in human history ) with NASA. Then again people never gave Captain Planet a 7th season and that man defeated Captain Pollution with salt water so maybe its not that far-fetched in terms of logic.

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there has been a recall on this few days ago, it is one of the few physical recalls they have. Elon hate is about Trump and politics.

Tesla is recalling 239,382 2024-2025 Model 3, Model S, 2023-2025 Model X, and 2023-2025 Model Y vehicles. The computer circuit board may short, resulting in the loss of the rearview camera image. A rearview camera that does not display an image reduces the driver's rearview, increasing the crash risk.2 days ago

 

[Randen Montalvo]

Ahhh i see but that energy doesn't solve or change anything or even matters in the grander scheme. Oh well, i can tell you that judging from the Tesla forums most owners are not concerned and do not care lol. Check for yourselves, most of the concerns on those forums are on the refreshed Model Y. Their forums are anything but concerned. I personally think non-Tesla owners are more focused on Telsa issues than actual owners these days lol.

there has been a recall on this few days ago, it is one of the few physical recalls they have. Elon hate is about Trump and politics.

 

[CRSKTN]

there has been a recall on this few days ago, it is one of the few physical recalls they have. Elon hate is about Trump and politics.

Elon hate is rational and justified. He is intolerant, libellous, and has the emotional development of a 13 year old.

ive posted before on tesla issues. The rate at which they had issues, recalls, notices is way above where other companies are. Even if they dont get the same attention anti-asian headlines do in america.

 

[Och]

there has been a recall on this few days ago, it is one of the few physical recalls they have. Elon hate is about Trump and politics.

Elon is generally a bs artist, but the way he triggers certain types is hilarious and absolutely priceless.

As far as Tesla, they are plagued with issues, but people keep buying them. I see several Cybertrucks every day here in NYC, for perspective I have only seen the EV Hummer once, and it launched way earlier.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

Elon hate is rational and justified. He is intolerant, libellous, and has the emotional development of a 13 year old.

ive posted before on tesla issues. The rate at which they had issues, recalls, notices is way above where other companies are. Even if they dont get the same attention anti-asian headlines do in america.

Hate is never rational and never justified. That is quite frankly a disturbing statement considering you don't know him personally.