Is this the new LFA? GR GT3 Concept Spied On Public Roads

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Both Nurburgring Edition 😍

All I hope for it to be unlimited number car

A continuous car as long as Lexus itself

They seem to be BBS FI-R wheels:

Gecko said:

This car isn't going to be a Lexus

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Is this gonna be the GR GT

Gecko said:

This car isn't going to be a Lexus

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What makes you say that

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Why is Lexus continuing to get absolutely shafted if this is true. I don't see how Toyota plans to sell an exclusive 200k+ supercar.

Gecko said:

This car isn't going to be a Lexus

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So there is no LFR? If this isn’t LFR, then what exactly is LFR? Or has this trademark already been canceled?

Gor134 said:

Why is Lexus continuing to get absolutely shafted if this is true. I don't see how Toyota plans to sell an exclusive 200k+ supercar.

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Look at Century and Crown, and GR products vs. F Products as points of comparison.

Lexus is being repositioned into an electric sub brand project more than a global luxury brand on par with Mercedes, BMW, et al.

I think there are ways this can work for Lexus, but it's going to be very different from what we have known previously. The future is Toyota first with Lexus as an afterthought -- we're already living in that reality, but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

My opinion is that as Japan has consolidated control and taken decision making power away from the regions, they're rolling out a more JDM-esque strategy across the globe where Crown is similar to Lexus and Century is above Lexus... so then, what really is the point of Lexus? It no longer fits into the traditional lineup of:
- Toyota: Mainstream
- Crown: Premium
- Century: Super Luxury
- GR: Motorsports and racing

The only way to keep Lexus relevant was to make it completely different: electric. However, what that means 10-15 years from now when most everything in the Toyota, Crown, and Century lineups are also electric? No idea. Lexus has been starved for resources and product while Toyota, Crown, Century, and GR have all been completely renewed and updated. I don't even think tea leaves are necessary - the writing is on the wall: The old Lexus, the one that brought all of us here in the first place, is dead.

To the point at hand, when the GR GT3 Concept was released, it didn't have a brand on the hood but it was released by "Toyota Gazoo Racing." There was a photo from a dealer meeting of it wearing a Lexus badge, and that was discussed at one point, but keep in mind the only car Lexus has ever publicly referenced as a follow up to the LFA is the Electrified Sport Concept -- never the GR GT3 Concept. The GR GT3 is a GR car. Whatever Lexus "LFA" comes next will be electric -- Lexus has explicitly stated that.

This is so dumb, so that presentation of Lexus products for the future was just a smoke show?

This is so incredibly shortsighted of Toyota, all of the other brands are rolling back their EV-only plans to make way for an ICE/EV split.

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Gecko said:

Look at Century and Crown, and GR products vs. F Products as points of comparison.

Lexus is being repositioned into an electric sub brand project more than a global luxury brand on par with Mercedes, BMW, et al.

I think there are ways this can work for Lexus, but it's going to be very different from what we have known previously. The future is Toyota first with Lexus as an afterthought -- we're already living in that reality, but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

My opinion is that as Japan has consolidated control and taken decision making away from the regions, they're rolling out a more JDM-esque strategy across the globe where Crown is similar to Lexus and Century is above Lexus... so then, what really is the point of Lexus? It no longer fits into the traditional lineup of:
- Toyota: Mainstream
- Crown: Premium
- Century: Super Luxury
- GR: Motorsports and racing

The only way to keep Lexus relevant was to make it completely different: electric. However, what that means 10-15 years from now when most everything in the Toyota, Crown, and Century lineups are also electric? No idea. Lexus has been starved for resources and product while Toyota, Crown, Century, and GR have all been completely renewed and updated. I don't even think tea leaves are necessary - the writing is on the wall: The old Lexus, the one that brought all of us here in the first place, is dead.

To the point at hand, when the GR GT3 Concept was released, it didn't have a brand on the hood but it was released by "Toyota Gazoo Racing." There was a photo from a dealer meeting of it wearing a Lexus badge, and that was discussed at one point, but keep in mind the only car Lexus has ever publicly referenced as a follow up to the LFA is the Electrified Sport Concept -- never the GR GT3 Concept. The GR GT3 is a GR car. Whatever Lexus "LFA" comes next will be electric -- Lexus has explicitly stated that.

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Man you really spilled all the beans huh? It's nice to speak freely now. Thanks Gecko. 😂😂

Kelvin2020 said:

So there is no LFR? If this isn’t LFR, then what exactly is LFR? Or has this trademark already been canceled?

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LFR is going to be the Electrified Sport Concept.

Gecko said:

Look at Century and Crown, and GR products vs. F Products as points of comparison.

Lexus is being repositioned into an electric sub brand project more than a global luxury brand on par with Mercedes, BMW, et al.

I think there are ways this can work for Lexus, but it's going to be very different from what we have known previously. The future is Toyota first with Lexus as an afterthought -- we're already living in that reality, but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

My opinion is that as Japan has consolidated control and taken decision making away from the regions, they're rolling out a more JDM-esque strategy across the globe where Crown is similar to Lexus and Century is above Lexus... so then, what really is the point of Lexus? It no longer fits into the traditional lineup of:
- Toyota: Mainstream
- Crown: Premium
- Century: Super Luxury
- GR: Motorsports and racing

The only way to keep Lexus relevant was to make it completely different: electric. However, what that means 10-15 years from now when most everything in the Toyota, Crown, and Century lineups are also electric? No idea. Lexus has been starved for resources and product while Toyota, Crown, Century, and GR have all been completely renewed and updated. I don't even think tea leaves are necessary - the writing is on the wall: The old Lexus, the one that brought all of us here in the first place, is dead.

To the point at hand, when the GR GT3 Concept was released, it didn't have a brand on the hood but it was released by "Toyota Gazoo Racing." There was a photo from a dealer meeting of it wearing a Lexus badge, and that was discussed at one point, but keep in mind the only car Lexus has ever publicly referenced as a follow up to the LFA is the Electrified Sport Concept -- never the GR GT3 Concept. The GR GT3 is a GR car. Whatever Lexus "LFA" comes next will be electric -- Lexus has explicitly stated that.

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I think another reason that's causing this to happen is the larger Lexus models almost don't matter at all to the Japanese market, like the current Lexus model that's getting the most love from TMC is the tiny little LBX and its Morizo RR version, because that model is more relevant to the Japanese market than lets say an IS, or an RX or an LS.

Gor134 said:

This is so dumb, so that presentation of Lexus products for the future was just a smoke show?

This is so incredibly shortsighted of Toyota, all of the other brands are rolling back their EV-only plans to make way for an ICE/EV split.

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From the 2021 announcement? Everything in the back row was "incremental generation" with some ICE, HEV, and PHEV, but I feel like it was clear the future is electric for Lexus.

F1 Silver Arrows said:

Man you really spilled all the beans huh? It's nice to speak freely now. Thanks Gecko. 😂😂

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Just my opinion on setting my enthusiasm aside and trying to look at so much of what has happened over the last 5 years or so. I guess it could all be different, but it feels like we've seen Toyota marching in this direction for a while. Plus rumors of Century coming to America, more than a few rumors of "ZC" replacing the IS, etc. Maybe I'm wrong 🤷‍♂️

F1 Silver Arrows said:

Man you really spilled all the beans huh? It's nice to speak freely now. Thanks Gecko. 😂😂


LFR is going to be the Electrified Sport Concept.

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Toyota get the TTV8 in that GR GT, and Lexus will only has EV.

I not sure how I can digest this…..

carguy420 said:

I think another reason that's causing this to happen is the larger Lexus models almost don't matter at all to the Japanese market, like the current Lexus model that's getting the most love from TMC is the tiny little LBX and its Morizo RR version, because that model is more relevant to the Japanese market than lets say an IS, or an RX or an LS.

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Yes - agreed. In their home market where "GS" and "IS" and "LS," etc don't mean as much as they do elsewhere, it's much easier to let those names die.

Gecko said:

From the 2021 announcement? Everything in the back row was "incremental generation" with some ICE, HEV, and PHEV, but I feel like it was clear the future is electric for Lexus.

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The front row models.

But I guess those were purely design studies to show off their design studios skill. "this is what we're capable of designing.. but this is what you'll get" smh