Will the inauguration of President Trump put Japanese automakers in a difficult position?

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With all due respect, I have to disagree. In the long run, (although we might not see it overnight), I believe that tariffs, if they force prices up high enough that Americans won't buy goods produced in those countries any more, will FORCE American companies to bring manufacturing back home to the U.S., where, for the most part, the jobs should have stayed in the first place. If we, as a country, had been boycotting these Chinese-made products before, perhaps there would not be a need for the tariffs we are now seeing.

Yes let’s follow someone who’s filed bankruptcy 6 times on how to spur the economy lol.

Never in American history has a massive tariff helped the economy. Never. It has only hurt the economy and immediately impacted consumers with rising prices.
This is so basic it’s hard to postulate how anyone thinks otherwise. Actually I do understand. Which brings me great sadness.

An executive at America’s biggest bank (JP Morgan) had a good line on tariffs earlier this week: “The trouble with tariffs, to be succinct, is that they raise prices, slow economic growth, cut profits, increase unemployment, worsen inequality, diminish productivity and increase global tensions. Other than that, they’re fine.”
 

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Yes let’s follow someone who’s filed bankruptcy 6 times on how to spur the economy lol.

Never in American history has a massive tariff helped the economy. Never. It has only hurt the economy and immediately impacted consumers with rising prices.
This is so basic it’s hard to postulate how anyone thinks otherwise. Actually I do understand. Which brings me great sadness.

An executive at America’s biggest bank (JP Morgan) had a good line on tariffs earlier this week: “The trouble with tariffs, to be succinct, is that they raise prices, slow economic growth, cut profits, increase unemployment, worsen inequality, diminish productivity and increase global tensions. Other than that, they’re fine.”

Consistently a breathe of fresh, reasoned air.
 

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One of the hardest things to educate people about is that tariffs are charged on a country's own citizens, not foreign companies.
And a 25% tariff (tax) was just added on goods imported from Canada and Mexico. That is a tax that is higher than the value-added (sales) tax charged in many European countries (which is about 20%).
 

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And a 25% tariff (tax) was just added on goods imported from Canada and Mexico. That is a tax that is higher than the value-added (sales) tax charged in many European countries (which is about 20%).

At least with this tariff income, I'll still have the freedom to get injured, lose my job, lose my health insurance, and lose my house due to medical expenses.
 

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Now it’s stalled for the automakers for a month. You cannot forecast in this environment!’

 

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btw, USMCA free trade agreement was signed by..... Trump, in 2020.

And 5 years later Trump is dropping it overnight, hurting all those US owned companies, who made the investment based on the agreement.

of course markets are down, this is crazy unpredictable environment. sucks for everyones 401k plans.
 

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Li Auto is junk. So are most "new wave" Chinese EV makers. Xiaomi surprised me with how pragmatic their approach is and now I'm convinced they can survive at least 5 more years. The SU7 Ultra is indeed a great alternative to the Taycan.

Chinese automakers are like Japanese in the early 90s. There is a short time window after asset bubbles burst when people's disposable income actually increases and deflation is temporarily beneficial. Most of the iconic "Bubble Era" JDM cars are actually from after the bubble bursted.

During that period we saw JDM Corollas equipped with AllTrac AWD system and TEMS adaptive suspension. Satellite TVs, fax machines, GPS navigation, laser cruise control, night vision on luxury cars almost a decade before they became mainstream. Now we are seeing fully reclined massage seats, refrigerators, active suspensions, soft close doors standard on sub-$50k cars in China. Of course just like Japanese car makers they will decontent their international models (but still generously equipped) and sell at inflated prices (but still competitive) to make up for domestic losses.

American consumers have no idea what they missed out on with those tariffs.
 

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Capital wisens up quickly. At some point the stocks don't rise back up, ever again.

Or if they do, it's only because the USD exchange rate is decaying.

You think inflation is bad now? What happens when people don't need a USD much more than they need other currencies?

Go look at what happened to Argentina. That country being blacklisted from global capital markets crippled it more than sanctions ever could.
 
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President Donald Trump's inauguration ceremony took place on January 20, 2025 (early morning of the 21st Japan time) at the US Capitol in Washington, D.C. After delivering his inaugural address, Trump entered the White House and signed as many as 100 "executive orders" that will enable the swift implementation of important policies. What is the future of Japanese automakers?

The feared EV will slow down further?

Two days have passed since Mr. Trump was inaugurated as president for the second time. As expected, he signed nearly 100 executive orders on the day he took office. There are surprisingly many decisions that the president can make freely, such as withdrawing from the WHO after labelling the COVID-19 response as a "failure" (and rightly so), and withdrawing from the Paris Agreement on global climate change. This is unthinkable in Japan. For this reason, it was predicted that there would be major moves against the Japanese automobile industry, such as the imposition of tariffs on imports from Mexico and Canada. However, it seems that there will be no movement on tariffs. This is great news for Mazda, which imports a lot from Mexico, and the stock price jumped 5%. However, it became clear that "tightening measures are likely after all," and the stock price suddenly fell 10% at the start of trading on January 21st! Trump's feelings cause wild fluctuations in stock prices! In addition to Mazda, Nissan, which has a large sales ratio of products manufactured in Mexico, will no doubt be greatly affected. However, Japanese manufacturers such as Mazda and Nissan are not the only ones that manufacture cars in Mexico. GM and Ford also produce a significant number of vehicles in Mexico. Since Trump likes making deals, we can assume that he will make a threat and then enter into individual negotiations. Of course, it won't end for free. Honda and Subaru also rely on the American market. However, in the case of Honda, there are almost no exports from Japan. The only concern is the Canadian factory. Trump has said he will also impose tariffs on imports from Canada, which will have a major impact on Honda. Subaru, which exports a lot from Japan, has anticipated the tariff increase and has begun moving production facilities for Subaru cars sold in the United States to the United States. Toyota seems to be making careful preparations. It has already offered to donate to the Trump administration, showing its willingness to submit. In this way, the Trump camp considers it possible to make a deal. We may receive requests to increase investment in the United States, but as long as we continue doing business in other countries, we will have to accept certain conditions. This is not limited to the United States. What will happen next? Unfortunately, I have no idea. I asked several car makers who are familiar with the US, and they are also having trouble. One thing is for sure: protectionism will come. "Make cars in America if you want to sell them there." This is what has been said since the 1980s, so it's inevitable. That's why Japanese automakers built factories in America.

Which manufacturers will be at the mercy of this?

What concerns me is the future of electric vehicles. With the United States withdrawing from the Paris Agreement and saying it will accelerate the extraction of oil and shale gas, it looks like electric vehicles will be in a period of decline. Of course, there will be no more subsidies. When I write this, you may wonder, "What will happen to Elon Musk's Tesla?" But Trump and Elon Musk must have some kind of secret. It will be interesting to see what kind of preferential treatment will replace the subsidies. The Japanese automakers will be the ones to bear the brunt. Honda, the one most likely to be affected, changed direction as soon as Trump's inauguration was decided. They have announced their focus on hybrids and PHEVs. Toyota has already predicted this and switched to "Plan B" to promote the spread of electric vehicles. Mazda was late to the game, so this was perfect. Nissan may be in a panic and weak at change. Either way, it seems that we will see Darwinian evolution, where "the ones who can adapt survive." It's hard to predict what policies Trump will put forward in the future, but I think it will be tough for manufacturers who can't respond quickly.

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Japanese automakers face a tough future with increased protectionism under Trump’s administration. While immediate tariffs on imports from Mexico and Canada have been delayed, uncertainty remains high, causing stock fluctuations. Manufacturers like Mazda, Nissan, Honda, and Subaru must continue investing in U.S. production to avoid penalties. The U.S. pulling out of the Paris Agreement and focus on fossil fuels means electric vehicle subsidies may be cut, slowing EV adoption. Honda’s shift to hybrids and PHEVs and Toyota’s “Plan B” show some adaptation, but those slow to respond risk losing out. Survival will depend on how quickly they adjust to these changing policies.
 

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Nobody is investing long term in the USA any more.

It's over.
Since when is nobody investing in the US? This year under Trump as POTUS? In 4 years (if not earlier), it is over with him too.
 

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Since when is nobody investing in the US? This year under Trump as POTUS? In 4 years (if not earlier), it is over with him too.

@CRSKTN is way more plugged in than me but from what I am seeing is we aren’t even in the conversation anymore for the next stage of the world. This tariff shock has them talking to one another without us as stability is being promised. Our passport used to be the envy of the world and now you might want to get a second one.

Treasury Yields going to have to their worst performance in ten years. Bond purchases are declining.


It isn’t helping that inflation is soaring still, education and science is under attack and you can get hit with an executive order at any time not to mention the attack on law and judges and the courts.. Would you want to build here right now?