What Should be the First Lexus F Brand Crossover/SUV?

[Trexus]

It's somehow confirmed that the first Lexus F SUV/CUV will be the LQ
That's why in introduction of the concept they didn't say a word about the engine except it can have any engine or motor or hybrid of both

I agree as well. Since the LQ will be RWD it can easily have an F variant. Lexus could do a lot with the LQ. I look forward and can't wait...

LQ 500 rwd
LQ 500 awd
LQ 500h
LQ F

 

[krew]

Lexus Considers First High-Performance F Brand Crossover

On-road or off-road performance?

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[John Strange]

Just don’t build something that needs a step ladder to get in if you’re under 6’ tall.

 

[Ian Schmidt]

On-road of course. Only Land Rover and Jeep make any kind of noise about off-road in their advertising and yet SUVs/CUVs of all makes are flying off of dealer lots.

 

[mediumhot]

UX is common sense choice cause it doesn't require super powerful powertrain, instead they can use something they already have. Keep in mind that even 300hp would make UX a performance CUV.

 

[Craig Smith]

The LF-1 will be the first CUV to receive an true F offering. The new IS will follow suit as a 5 door CUV or sport wagon, exclusively, to hearken the days of the Sportcross and also to keep from jumbling the midsize sedan offerings.

 

[krew]

UX is common sense choice cause it doesn't require super powerful powertrain, instead they can use something they already have. Keep in mind that even 300hp would make UX a performance CUV.

I really thought the UX would be the perfect launching point for F brand crossovers -- it makes no sense for Lexus to treat F like something sacred when other brands slap their high-performance badges on everything. Still think waiting for the LF-1 is too much waiting.

The LF-1 will be the first CUV to receive an true F offering. The new IS will follow suit as a 5 door CUV or sport wagon, exclusively, to hearken the days of the Sportcross and also to keep from jumbling the midsize sedan offerings.

Lexus is going to discontinue the IS in favor of a sports wagon? The ES is truly going to be the last car standing, if true.

 

[Craig Smith]

I really thought the UX would be the perfect launching point for F brand crossovers -- it makes no sense for Lexus to treat F like something sacred when other brands slap their high-performance badges on everything. Still think waiting for the LF-1 is too much waiting.



Lexus is going to discontinue the IS in favor of a sports wagon? The ES is truly going to be the last car standing, if true.

I use the term wagon loosely as I'm not sure how to categorize it. Picture the IS in the same vein, style wise, as the new Civics. Just as the LF-1 is essentially a much sexier skinned Crosstour. The evidence is in the fact that Lexus considers the Mercedes C-Class as the ES competitor rather than the more similarly sized E-Class. That's simply because it will be the lowest "sedan" offering from the brand. Lexus seems intent on blurring the lines, rather than staying within them.

 

[mikeavelli]

I think the first one should be the LX 570 and here is why. Benz makes a G63/65. The ultra luxury SUV market continues to grow. The LX needs more power as an option. There would instantly be a market for it.

Not everyone who buys a AMG/M etc wants a track monster, many just want more power, the rarity and the exclusivity.

Yeah I said it... LX F lol

 

[Craig Smith]

I think the first one should be the LX 570 and here is why. Benz makes a G63/65. The ultra luxury SUV market continues to grow. The LX needs more power as an option. There would instantly be a market for it.

Not everyone who buys a AMG/M etc wants a track monster, many just want more power, the rarity and the exclusivity.

Yeah I said it... LX F lol

That may not be a stretch. I'm hearing that Lexus wants to compete with the Navigators and Escalades in the luxo-barge segment but imo that would require a much larger truck than the LX. I speculate that one of the newer model trademarks is for an even bigger SUV. That may make way for a sport offering of the LX as well.

 

[krew]

I think the first one should be the LX 570 and here is why. Benz makes a G63/65. The ultra luxury SUV market continues to grow. The LX needs more power as an option. There would instantly be a market for it.

Not everyone who buys a AMG/M etc wants a track monster, many just want more power, the rarity and the exclusivity.

I would argue that most of the people that buy AMG/M/F just want "more power, the rarity and the exclusivity", rather than the other way around. The Lexus strategy of treating F as hallowed ground isn't creating exclusivity, it's breeding disinterest.

"F everything" is my new mantra (in more than one way).

 

[mikeavelli]

That may not be a stretch. I'm hearing that Lexus wants to compete with the Navigators and Escalades in the luxo-barge segment but imo that would require a much larger truck than the LX. I speculate that one of the newer model trademarks is for an even bigger SUV. That may make way for a sport offering of the LX as well.

My take, keep the LX, make it even more special, more it even higher upmarket and offer a F. Introduce the larger (I assume Tundra based) SUV but it is under the LX to battle the Escalade.

I would argue that most of the people that buy AMG/M/F just want "more power, the rarity and the exclusivity", rather than the other way around. The Lexus strategy of treating F as hallowed ground isn't creating exclusivity, it's breeding disinterest.

"F everything" is my new mantra (in more than one way).

I agree. AMG in particular has slapped badges on everything even removing the "Sport" name and calling multiple vehicles AMG now. People want more power and the sportier looks of an AMG model.

If the "F" marque introduced or kept manuals, then they would have the ultimate Ace in todays world. While I truly appreciate the N/A 5.0 V-8 and its sound and character, most don't care when the competition has a V-8 with turbos making 100 more hp.

Going back to SUV's I strongly eel the LX F makes a ton of sense in addition to hopefully other F SUVs.

BMW just yesterday introduced the X3 M and X4 M.

 

[Ian Schmidt]

I think the Germans are risking devaluing those nameplates though, especially if they sell because of perceived exclusivity. To paraphrase the Underminer in the first Incredibles, if everything's an AMG than nothing's an AMG.

At least Merc has "Maybach" to fall back on if that happens, BMW will have to make something new up.

 

[mikeavelli]

I think the Germans are risking devaluing those nameplates though, especially if they sell because of perceived exclusivity. To paraphrase the Underminer in the first Incredibles, if everything's an AMG than nothing's an AMG.

I thought this too when it first debuted but a couple of years later it seems most don't care, just a handful of hardcore purists. I was at an AMG meet the other day, all years and types and the vibe I got was they were happy to include them all but they also all knew what a real AMG was. Those that didn't were just happy to be included.

It reminds me of how BMW said "we will never do a M SUV, the M brand is sacred" and now they have a X3 and X4 M coming. They said the same thing "M will never go turbo" and now they even offer a M2 with a non specific engine.

Hell we have Aston Martin's with Mercedes Engines and people still buy the Aston's.

A different world for sure Ian!

 

[Ian Schmidt]

As long as everyone knows that the GLA AMG isn't a real AMG