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I'm going to bet all my chips on TX replacing the RX-L, as I mentioned above. But if that's the case, there's something here that bothers me and that will likely apply to the next gen RX as well: The "350" trademark.

TX 350 indicates to me that this vehicle will either be coming with the next gen 2.4L turbo 4 cyl, or a carryover GR V6 -- and if true, neither is enough. We're assuming ~300hp for that motor, and it'll probably weigh ~4,850lbs, and could have 4-5 people + their gear at any given time. A 300hp turbo 4 is not enough engine, especially when you consider the GLE 450, X5 4.0, and even the MDX coming with a 350hp turbo V6. A GR V6 is going to make roughly the same horsepower and a little less torque, so I have the same argument there again... it's not going to be enough.

TX 500h with ~350 hp will be in the sweet spot, but I really wish Lexus would call that the new "450h" because we all know it's not a true substitute for a 5.0L V8 as the naming would suggest. 350hp hybrid V6 is about what this vehicle should have, and I'm happy to see the trademark.

My theory on this is that Lexus is about to push heavy on hybridizing everything going forward, and TX 350 and RX 350 will be fairly entry level models, while things like Ultra Luxury packages and upper spec F Sport kit will probably be only available on 500h. The RX/TX 500h will likely become the core model with more options and features, and "350" will be limited to lower trims.

I do still wish there was some sort of RX 400 or 450/TX 400 or 450 trademark because I believe they need a ~375hp+ option based on the competition, likely weight and customer expectations... but I'm also expecting Lexus to lean into hybrids even harder as a differentiator, and there's nothing rumored to fill the open space between the 2.4L turbo and the V35A-FTS for gas powered cars. I think they see the 354hp "500h" as that gap filler.
 

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The TX350 won't be that underpowered. Lexus already sells an actually underpowered RX300 with no problem. I think TX350 will have similar performance to the current GX460. The 2.4T will have very similar power and torque to the 4.6 V8, but the GX will be ~100kg heavier. Therefore the TX350 will be a perfectly fine entry level model. Many 3-row crossovers in this segment actually have lower power-to-weight ratio in entry-level models. Think the 2.0T Audi Q7.
As for the 500h. I think Lexus rates the 'ICE equivalent' in terms of real world scenarios instead of outright drag performance. As an example the multistage 500h gets beaten by both V35 and 2UR on a long straight, but can keep up at launch and during overtaking. 'De-rating' it to 450h has the same problem as rating it 500h: it would suggest the system is similar to a 4.5/4.6 V8. But I don't blame Lexus for this, as this arbitrary rating problem exists in every brand. We still have no idea why Audi rates a 345hp V6 as a 55 while BMW's 50 has 50% more power.
 

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I'm going to bet all my chips on TX replacing the RX-L, as I mentioned above. But if that's the case, there's something here that bothers me and that will likely apply to the next gen RX as well: The "350" trademark.

TX 350 indicates to me that this vehicle will either be coming with the next gen 2.4L turbo 4 cyl, or a carryover GR V6 -- and if true, neither is enough. We're assuming ~300hp for that motor, and it'll probably weigh ~4,850lbs, and could have 4-5 people + their gear at any given time. A 300hp turbo 4 is not enough engine, especially when you consider the GLE 450, X5 4.0, and even the MDX coming with a 350hp turbo V6. A GR V6 is going to make roughly the same horsepower and a little less torque, so I have the same argument there again... it's not going to be enough.

TX 500h with ~350 hp will be in the sweet spot, but I really wish Lexus would call that the new "450h" because we all know it's not a true substitute for a 5.0L V8 as the naming would suggest. 350hp hybrid V6 is about what this vehicle should have, and I'm happy to see the trademark.

My theory on this is that Lexus is about to push heavy on hybridizing everything going forward, and TX 350 and RX 350 will be fairly entry level models, while things like Ultra Luxury packages and upper spec F Sport kit will probably be only available on 500h. The RX/TX 500h will likely become the core model with more options and features, and "350" will be limited to lower trims.

I do still wish there was some sort of RX 400 or 450/TX 400 or 450 trademark because I believe they need a ~375hp+ option based on the competition, likely weight and customer expectations... but I'm also expecting Lexus to lean into hybrids even harder as a differentiator, and there's nothing rumored to fill the open space between the 2.4L turbo and the V35A-FTS for gas powered cars. I think they see the 354hp "500h" as that gap filler.
Wait what Gecko? Lexus not having enough power in one of their cars...you don’t say! That never happens...
 

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Lexus version of Sienna?
Lexus will always have only 1 minivan and that's the LM

let's see what will happen in the next couple years
but Toyota have 3 sizes the longest Sequoia the Shortest 4Runner / Prado / Fortuner and the middle between them the LC200
so the TX for me either
1) RX-L and as the rumors declaring the next RX is FR so the TX will also FR if the RX didn't switch the TX will be FF
or
2) Next generation Sequoia twin
or
3) Next generation Prado twin
or
4) Next generation LC300 twin
 

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A sad news from Toyota but potentially exciting news for Lexus:

The S220 Crown sedan will be discontinued in 2022 and redesigned as a SUV, and will be sold internationally (at least in China and USA). Could this mean the TX can be a 'rebadged' Crown SUV based on GA-N? Never mind that idea the Crown SUV will be based on GA-K.

So what could happen is the new RX is a two-row GA-K and its Toyota counterpart is the Crown SUV, while the TX is a three-row based on Highlander.
 
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Next RX is not RWD, it is GA-K based and FWD/AWD.
 
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