Future of car ownership

[mikeavelli]

Related but in the 2023 Legislative session, GA snuck in a law no one is talking about. Starting in 2025 EV chargers will be taxed everywhere except a home.

Georgia lawmakers approve bill to tax electric vehicle charging in 2025

Currently, the state uses taxes levied on gasoline to pay for transportation infrastructure, but drivers of electric vehicles do not pay gas taxes.

www.fox5atlanta.com

As more of this happens and the cost to own EV’s rise it will be interesting to see consumer changes. Right now it feels like a bunch of people who don’t want to oddly pay for road taxes or even pay for the energy they need to drive. They have no issue paying 100k for an EV tho lol

 

[Levi]

Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the world leaders' overall objective is to reduce car ownership. Car ownership is to become a luxury for a few elect, as it was before.

 

[internalaudit]

Problem is people value their time and will want the most expedient way to get from A to B. Transit cost is also quite expensive at least in Ontario, Canada.

Also it's not always practical to take public transportation. Try doing that when you bought something at Ikea or a lugginga lot of grocery items.

I am on the other side of the fence when it comes to reduced usage. The people who race their cars should be the ones banned from tracking them if lessening pollution is so important. They burn tire that releases pollutants besides burning lots more fuel for what? For fun? It doesn't even provide any utility except satisfaction from the perspective of a hobby. But then again, many miles are clocked going to trails, parks, camping and those are also hobbies with little utility. It's great to be humans! Just the amount of garbage and waste during camping is an eye opener for me.

Even in communist China, driving is tolerated. At least they charge base on displacements there, just like in Japan, which favor smaller engines. Too bad there's ways around the system with bribery and corruption.

Ban two-stroke engines with no catalytic converters as those are bigger sources of pollutant but the masses will cry foul. Maybe ban nonpublic diesel trucks and buses that cause much more pollution.

Assholes will be assholes. Ban them or confiscate their licenses and they will drive even with invalid licenses. Take their cars and many just buy another one. At least in communist countries, they can do whatever to their citizens and even make them disappear. Too bad it's not the affluent and corrupt people that all of a sudden disappear. Money talks...

 

[Trexus]

Agreed Internalaudit. One can be a communist in a free country but try being free in a communist country.

It's about power, profit and control with world leaders/governments/deep state regarding our choices/freedoms. We as a society do not need to be directed a certain way by blanket decisions made by certain groups of people who do not specialize in medicine, science or finance. We the People should be able to choose what fits our needs regarding traveling from point A to point B without any restrictions.

The world is not over populated as some dooms dayers say. The world's population of 8 billion people can fit in the entire state of Texas and leaving the rest of the world completely empty. Ever drive to Las Vegas or driven through Wyoming or many other states? There is so much open empty land (God's county) that most people haven't even seen or notice...there's about 40 million people in California alone which is the total population of Canada and there's plenty of open land in Canada.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the world leaders' overall objective is to reduce car ownership. Car ownership is to become a luxury for a few elect, as it was before.

Amen.

There is no other way of spinning this BS that taking drastic measures that have a negligible effect on the overall environment "is a good thing". It's like when the MSM would spew their usual garbage that "inflation is a good thing" or "we need to curb our expectations" when the supply chain crisis was really bad. It's gaslighting at the maximum.

We live in an age where revisionism, where you have idiots thinking left is actually right and right is actually left, and harmful propaganda are valued over the truth and basic sanity.

We have our modern day Dr. Evil always saying, "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy". These freaks that work in NGOs/governments/lobbyists do not want people to naturally make the best decisions for themselves.

Government intervention isn't the solution, government is always the problem.

They can try to rip the steering wheel outta my cold, dead hands, but they won't. Next to free speech, freedom of mobility is one of the biggest ways to have a sense of personal liberty. And before you know it, once car prices have become too obscene worldwide, you'll see a global revolt. Government intervention and poor leadership (which has caused the inflation problem we have today) is what's causing manufacturers to move in lockstep with each other and gouge us with prices that are flat out ridiculous for cars that were 10-15% cheaper just 5 years ago.

We can only take this madness for so long.

Anyways, back to EVs.

 

[mikeavelli]

Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the world leaders' overall objective is to reduce car ownership. Car ownership is to become a luxury for a few elect, as it was before.

With the population exploding there will be more cars on the road than ever. There might be less ownership and more leasing/borrowing/subscriptions and ride sharing.


My 2 cents

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

There might be less ownership and more leasing/borrowing/subscriptions and ride sharing.

That's the primary issue that we're trying to address.

"You'll own nothing and you'll be happy".

 

[ssun30]

Nobody took the piloting yokes from anybody and you always have the freedom to fly a plane. People spend lots of effort studying the right skills and have responsibilities to get a flying license so we don't have planes raining down from the sky.

Cars are by far the most dangerous form of transport because the barrier to entry is nonexistent. Most people on the road are not qualified to operate a car in a safe manner and get distracted easily. And their irresponsible driving behaviors are also the main reason roads clog up. They complain active safety systems interfere too much because they don't know what driving safely is actually like.

Western European countries and Japan have very stringent drivers qualification tests before people are allowed to drive. Go there and see how well behaved drivers are compared to in US or China (which are very similar when it comes to being overly reliant on cars, funny I know). And nobody can deny they still have a very alive and deep car culture for the enthusiasts. Nobody took their freedom to buy and drive high performance cars. The Autobahn could have unrestricted top speed because there won't be an idiot camping on the overtake lane in their Polo.

If anything driving a car should be a free choice of life style not an almost mandatory way to get anywhere.

Reduced car ownership is good for everyone, as long as there is enough incentive to actually provide transit for the unqualified.

 

[Och]

Cars in general are going to be less and less affordable, but there are going to be more and more electric bikes and mopeds.

I am tempted to buy a carbureted car that can be repaired with a set of basic tools for when it really hits the fan.

 

[Och]

I just thought of something, 15-20 years ago with all the hybrid/Prius craze, most predicted that in the near future everyone would be driving small, economical hybrids - but the exact opposite has happened, and everyone is driving a giant SUVs and pickups. I think with all the electric hype, the government is going to mandate electric cars but make an exception for "light trucks", so even more people will start driving even bigger pickups. But on the other end of the spectrum, there are going to be a ton of electric mopeds.

 

[Sulu]

The Prius first came out before the SUV craze started, and when prices at the pump were high with seemingly nowhere to go but up. In hindsight (and with some knowledge of marketing), it is understandable that influencers would be saying we would all be driving small, economical hybrids by now.

But then history intervened, people started driving cars on stilts, pump prices went through a number of up-down cycles (and currently low). That all had an influence on the North Americans' current choice of vehicle being a large, heavy, pickup truck. so much so that American automakers feel the need to introduce large, heavy EV pickup trucks among their first EVs.

 

[LateToLexus]

This is much ado about nothing.

The middle class in the US is complicit with their greed and insatiable appetite for constantly having the latest and the greatest.

High quality used $15-$25K vehicles are everywhere. Many with great MPG and predicted reliability and longevity.

This is a greed problem not a vehicle problem.

Certainly not a political problem. Sigh.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

This is much ado about nothing.

The middle class in the US is complicit with their greed and insatiable appetite for constantly having the latest and the greatest.

High quality used $15-$25K vehicles are everywhere. Many with great MPG and predicted reliability and longevity.

This is a greed problem not a vehicle problem.

Certainly not a political problem. Sigh.

Oh yeah, new cars that were once affordable to the lower and middle class are now being hard to get for the middle class.

Clearly a sign of a "greed" problem... Ok...

 

[Will1991]

New car prices are finally getting better:

New Vehicle Transaction Prices Fall Below MSRP For The First Time In 20 Months

Data released earlier this week by Kelley Blue Book shows that the average price of new cars in the United States in March this year fell to $48,008.

www.motor1.com

 

[Och]

Cars in the US have always been far cheaper and more accessible than anywhere else in the world. Before covid and the inflation that followed, a basic new car could be leased for $150 a month, which is basically a days worth of income even for the lowest earners, and really nice cars/SUVs were going for $400-600 range. Cars were much more expensive in other countries where people earn far less.

Now the prices have more than doubled for basic cars, but interestingly enough top end luxury cars lease for more or less the same as they did pre pandemic.

I suck at predicting the future, including the future of car ownership, but I'm pretty sure the gravy train of cheap cars has left the station for good.

 

[mmcartalk]

I just thought of something, 15-20 years ago with all the hybrid/Prius craze, most predicted that in the near future everyone would be driving small, economical hybrids - but the exact opposite has happened, and everyone is driving a giant SUVs and pickups.

Actually, the fastest-growing class of vehicles in the U.S. is not "Giant" trucks or SUVs, but small-to-medium-size crossovers. They are literally taking over the roads.

 

[LateToLexus]

Oh yeah, new cars that were once affordable to the lower and middle class are now being hard to get for the middle class.

Clearly a sign of a "greed" problem... Ok...

Sure. You're probably right.

Great job internet warrior.

 

[Och]

Yet another ship carrying 3000 cars, 25 of them electric, is on fire in the ocean, will most likely sink.

Brand op vrachtschip bij Ameland na uren nog niet geblust, berging grote uitdaging

Eén opvarende is om het leven gekomen en de overige 22 bemanningsleden zijn gewond geraakt.

nos.nl

The future of car ownership looks more and more bleek every day, its probably a good idea to get a futureproof carbureted car that can be repaired and maintained with basic tools.

 

[Levi]