Ford to drop five sedans in North America.

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Just announced today....five different Ford products will be axed in the North American market. We all knew the sedan market was suffering, but this makes it official, though a hard date has not yet been announced. I just hope GM is not next....but the handwriting may be on the wall there, too.

https://jalopnik.com/ford-will-phase-out-all-its-small-cars-in-north-america-1825544784

Ford Will Phase Out All Its Small Cars And Sedans In North America Except The Mustang And Focus Active

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The Ford Fusion, Focus, C-Max, Taurus, and Fiesta—all on the way out in North America as Ford transitions its lineup to one that is all but entirely dominated by SUVs, crossovers and trucks, the automaker announced today.

In the coming years, only the Mustang and new Focus Active mini-crossover will be in Ford’s North America lineup, Ford said today in a Q1 financial report.



“Over the next few years, the Ford car portfolio in North America will transition to two vehicles – the best-selling Mustang and the all-new Focus Active crossover coming out next year. The company is also exploring new ‘white space’ vehicle silhouettes that combine the best attributes of cars and utilities, such as higher ride height, space and versatility.”

Additionally, the company said “Given declining consumer demand and product profitability, the company will not invest in next generations of traditional Ford sedans for North America.”

One thing Ford did not say is when this will happen, though it’s fair to assume that it will happen relatively quickly. All of those small cars and sedans are pretty old and due for replacements or at least updates that now won’t happen. It’s also fair to say the future doesn’t look bright for some of our favorite performance cars, like the Fiesta ST, Focus ST and Focus RS.

The New York Times said yesterday that Ford loses money on the Focus, Fiesta, and Fusion, and Ford CEO Jim Hackett has signaled that he intends to be ruthless when it comes to raising the automaker’s profits. Ford North America’s profit margin was eight percent last year, or 2.7 percent less than what GM’s was.

And on Wednesday, Ford reported even worse financials.

Here’s the NYT:

Net income totaled $1.7 billion, up by $100 million from the same period a year earlier, and earnings increased to 43 cents a share, up by 3 cents. But the company’s profit margin slipped to 5.2 percent from 6.4 percent a year earlier. Profits before taxes fell to $2.2 billion from $2.5 billion. And in every region of the world, Ford reported either a decline in profits or a loss.

In North America, Ford’s largest and most important region, pretax profit was $1.9 billion, down $200 million from a year earlier. Its margin in North America fell to 7.8 percent from 8.9 percent.

Hackett has also said he intends for Ford to go all-in on America’s seemingly insatiable desire for SUVs, introducing the EcoSport this year, in addition to several more SUV models planned for the future. Hackett’s hoping that those models will boost profits that have, in recent years, been propped up by the company’s best-selling F-Series trucks.

Ford’s exit of the North American sedan market is not without considerable risk, since it makes Ford vulnerable to a rise in gas prices, which might send consumers back to cars that aren’t SUVs. Like, you know, sedans.

And then there’s that Focus Active, which is a mini-crossover that would compete with the Subaru Crosstrek. It looks... fine? It’ll have to do, as it will soon be the only car-ish thing in Ford’s North American lineup outside of a dang Mustang.
 
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So it's basically free success for Camry and Avalon when others are pulling out.

Or the contrary, after this bold move, more will follow suit. No wonder the ES replaces the GS, as the CT-6 to some extent replaces ATS, CTS and STS.
 

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Or the contrary, after this bold move, more will follow suit. No wonder the ES replaces the GS, as the CT-6 to some extent replaces ATS, CTS and STS.

I think pretty much all of the automakers have plans along these lines, just not as drastic. Nissan's switch to FWD-only architectures was kind of an early signal, and I expect we'll hear from GM about Buick and Chevy by the end of the year.
 
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I think pretty much all of the automakers have plans along these lines, just not as drastic. Nissan's switch to FWD-only architectures was kind of an early signal, and I expect we'll hear from GM about Buick and Chevy by the end of the year.

Only that Ford switches to RWD platfrom, while Nissan to FWD. FWD is absurd for CUVs/SUVs that are supposed to be AWD/4WD. FWD is acceptable for road cars.
 

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Bill Ford has got to be out of his damn mind for voting this fool Jim Hatchet (Hackett) into power. Long term I shudder to think what is going to happen to this company and its brands.

I cannot wait to see things collapse around this idiot who will just ride off into the sunset with a golden parachute. My family's own company would not allow this kind of BS to happen hired personnel, that allows our fortune to suffer. There are days I similarly regret that it went also public (as Ford did), as it's restrictive and you have less ownership of your creation.

The new Mustang that had been approved, seems to have been turned into a revised S550 by him and not an all-new RWD offering via CD6. Utterly pathetic. I can only hope he doesn't ruin the work of the P702 F-Series started under Fields.

Or the contrary, after this bold move, more will follow suit. No wonder the ES replaces the GS, as the CT-6 to some extent replaces ATS, CTS and STS.

The Cadillac CT5 will replace the CTS for $35-45k USD actually, while maybe the CT6 remains as top offering. Carlisle might have an effect on the compact CT4 that will be below $35k USD, possibly RWD. However anything can change after de Nysschen left.
 
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Honestly look at how well Jeep is doing. Not one sedan. People don't want cars. This is going to get even worse since kids today will get SUV hand downs instead of car hand downs. They won't want cars as they get older, they will just stick to SUV's.
 

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Honestly look at how well Jeep is doing. Not one sedan. People don't want cars. This is going to get even worse since kids today will get SUV hand downs instead of car hand downs. They won't want cars as they get older, they will just stick to SUV's.

There was discussion/rumore of Land Rover /Range Rover making a 'sedan' or 'road' Rover. Is the Velar that car? Anyway, sedans will likely be electric only, next. New Jaguar XJ, will be electric only, new Mercedes EQS, Porsche Mission e. All this because Tesla S is the best selling 'luxury' sedan, and everything that has an ICE is a CUV/SUV.
 

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Honestly look at how well Jeep is doing. Not one sedan.

No sedans per se, but the Jeep Compass is, in fact, a converted Dodge Caliber FWD compact-sedan platform, which, IMO, is a poorly-done platform even by sedan standards LOL. Jeep likes to advertise a so-called "Trail-Rated" version of the Compass that supposedly passes their off-road test (the Rubicon Trail)...but I'm not convinced. The Patriot also comes from that platform, but, in several ways, is somewhat better done as a Jeep product.
 

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Jeep likes to advertise a so-called "Trail-Rated" version of the Compass that supposedly passes their off-road test (the Rubicon Trail)...but I'm not convinced.

I was skeptical too, but the Trailhawk version seems to actually do pretty well for a compact SUV.

 

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There was discussion/rumore of Land Rover /Range Rover making a 'sedan' or 'road' Rover. Is the Velar that car? Anyway, sedans will likely be electric only, next. New Jaguar XJ, will be electric only, new Mercedes EQS, Porsche Mission e. All this because Tesla S is the best selling 'luxury' sedan, and everything that has an ICE is a CUV/SUV.

The Velar is a SUV just slotted between the Evoque and Sport. It is very well done. And to your point, yes Land Rover sales have never been better.
 

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I was skeptical too, but the Trailhawk version seems to actually do pretty well for a compact SUV.



I agree to an extent, but doing a tough off-road course once (for a qualification test) does not mean that the underpinnings, in the long run, will have the kind of off-road durability you see in a Jeep Wrangler or Toyota 4Runner. Like it or not, this vehicle came from a FWD compact-car platform intended for hard-pavement use.
 

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Bill Ford has got to be out of his damn mind for voting this fool Jim Hatchet (Hackett) into power. Long term I shudder to think what is going to happen to this company and its brands.

Though one cannot deny the enormous accomplishments of the way Henry Ford put the nation on wheels a hundred years ago, the Ford family-line, with few exceptions, has a long history of being stubborn and bullheaded. You've probably already done so (you seem to me to be a pretty smart car guy who knows his stuff :)), but, if not, go back and look at some of the history of how Bill Ford's ancestors ran the company, and you might see some signs of why Ford is making a decision like this. Alan Mulally, of course, did a pretty good job when he was there, but he did not come from the Ford family itself.....he was hired from the outside. Lee Iacocca, in his famous book (I have a copy of it in my automotive library) discusses, in detail, how Henry Ford II's notorious stubbornness and fiefdom-management-style got Ford into a mess, and how he landed at Chrysler.
 

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I agree to an extent, but doing a tough off-road course once (for a qualification test) does not mean that the underpinnings, in the long run, will have the kind of off-road durability you see in a Jeep Wrangler or Toyota 4Runner. Like it or not, this vehicle came from a FWD compact-car platform intended for hard-pavement use.

Yeah, I don't think Jeep intends it to be used for serious off-roading (that's the reason the Wrangler exists), but I was still fairly impressed at how well it went through that stuff. Their AWD system is for real.
 

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Yeah, I don't think Jeep intends it to be used for serious off-roading (that's the reason the Wrangler exists), but I was still fairly impressed at how well it went through that stuff. Their AWD system is for real.
Honestly, if Toyota keeps hemming and hawing and dithering with their TNGA-F body-on-frame architecture that keeps being delayed, it could do worse than applying Jeep's tricks for making Trail Rated, FWD-platform Renegades, Compasses and Cherokees to Adventure or even TRD-badged versions of C-HR, RAV4 and Highlander.
 

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What is funny I am seeing like you all the complaining and moaning and I look to see what these people drive and it ain't a Ford. Like if people were buying their sedans up, they obviously wouldn't come to this conclusion.


I understand what you are saying, but there is also such a thing as consumer choice. Among a few other upmarket sedans in that range, I myself seriously considered a Lincoln MKZ before I ordered my Lacrosse. Though it wasn't quite as tightly-built as its competitors, it was still, IMO, a good option. The Fusion, of course, forms the MKZ's platform.
 

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What is funny I am seeing like you all the complaining and moaning and I look to see what these people drive and it ain't a Ford. Like if people were buying their sedans up, they obviously wouldn't come to this conclusion.

I love internet screamers lol.

I don't see this. Only Ford knows why they did this, and only in the US. But if customers all over the world hear this, they might think 'cars' are no more the thing, like feature phones compared to smartphones for example. The more a customer/group is thinks something to be true, the more likely for it to happen, if they are the main players. Repeat to every car buyer world wide, "SUVs/CUVs will be all that there will be", and it will eventually turn out that way. So yes, I expect other companies to phase out cars. Technically most CUVs are not different from cars (i.e. Lexus UX), but I would not be surprised if in future, Mazda made only CX-xs, MX-5 and 6 Sedan, maybe called some other way, seeing how sporty the last concept was. Volvo still made the S90 and recently revealed the S60, but they could also be phased out some time. Mitsubishi is already an example, where it only has a SUV/SUV/UTE line-up.

But these decisions, while made internally only, not because there is no market for cars, but because they are less profitable, for a company, if that will be the case, for other car makers too, they will take the same decisions. The same thing will happen as with the manual transmission. The market is so small, that no company wants to invest. This problem arises because companies need want to grow, and the best way of growing is going mainstream while forsaking niches or smaller markets.
 

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I understand what you are saying, but there is also such a thing as consumer choice. Among a few other upmarket sedans in that range, I myself seriously considered a Lincoln MKZ before I ordered my Lacrosse. Though it wasn't quite as tightly-built as its competitors, it was still, IMO, a good option. The Fusion, of course, forms the MKZ's platform.

Not sure what this means. What I am saying is tons of non Ford owners are complaining about Ford canceling cars they were not buying anyway lol.
 

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Not sure what this means. What I am saying is tons of non Ford owners are complaining about Ford canceling cars they were not buying anyway lol.

Like I mentioned earlier, I understand what you are saying (and at least partly agree with it). But, at the same time, no matter what we like or don't like, none of us can buy everything at once. I, for example, happened to like both the Lincoln MKZ and the Lexus ES350, but I had to make a choice, and the Lacrosse won out for several reasons. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be disappointed to see the MKZ also bite the dust like the Fusion and Taurus are doing.