5th Generation (2018+) Lexus LS 500 & LS 500h Megathread

maiaramdan

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The problem is the changing of the whole market

Nothing now named mainstream or premium or even luxury

Now
Either mainstream or ultralux or sport
 

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Dear Lexus, I present to you how a flagship sedan should be aiming for. The Yangwang U7 might be China's LS400 moment. As this is the one product that truly represents the cutting edge of the auto industry today. And BYD spared no effort into this one product the same way Toyota approached the LS400 35 years ago.

Within the same space Lexus haphazardly put together a 165kW eAxle and an electric supply unit, BYD was able to package 1) a 180kW turbocharged Boxer-4 engine 2) a 200kW generator 3) a 480kW torque-vectoring eAxle 4) the integrated lubrication and cooling system for the ICE and motors. In terms of NVH the H4 is the "next best thing" after I6, V8 and H6.

The amount of tech in this car is absolutely insane. And its pricing is clear indication that Chinese manufacturers don't just want to be dumping cheap EV commuters to the world, but come for the high value market as well.

Toyota has a partnership with Subaru and a Boxer-4 is the ideal layout for a range extender. So why not the next LS have a similar setup? A 2.0L Boxer-4 range extender with 100-150kW and two torque-vectoring eAxles with about 400kW total, plus a 60-70 kWh bipolar Li-ion battery. I'm not even asking for the eyewatering horsepower numbers the U7 has. Just a show of "we can do this" attitude.

 
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That is impressive! I do not know the reliability of the Chinese brands, but I imagine they are working just as hard as their tech and design teams to be competitive. Lexus really seems to be coasting. The Germans and Americans too - though i think cadillac EVs have been solid for crossovers.

The other automakers around the world should be counting their blessings all these Chinese cars are being tariffed and what not
 

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To add more salt to injury, GWM just announced a 4.0 twin-turbo V8 for their flagship SUV and pickup trucks.

"Bring passion to life" sounds more inspiring than "experience amazing".

The next time a Lexus exec bring up the BS "emissions are hard" excuse, a reporter should just shove this in their face and remind them of their incompetence.
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Guys, there's a new TT 4.0 application and in near future
a 2.0 either NA or T or TT with or without hybrid
and there's a next gen V30A-FTS replacing the current V35A-FTS

So it's not all negative
 
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This article has the same view as mine

And I loved to share it

this dude was paid off by Toyota lol

this is some next level glazing of a car that is extremely mediocre at best

In case you missed it, the ES is no longer the visual automotive equivalent of a muffin top - the old one always looked awkwardly pudgy - it's now a real looker, at least to my eye.
this dude is blind, or he's probably in the metaverse or smth

a forward-thinking technological showcase for the rest of the Lexus lineup to follow
that was the GS' and LS' job

With that in mind, the Lexus ES is the perfect nameplate to adopt electrification for the Japanese luxury brand. Why not the LS, you might ask? The LS was and is, after all, the Lexus equivalent to the S-Class. It was the billion-dollar car that launched the Lexus brand and proved Toyota could go toe-to-toe with Mercedes at its peak, and win, so why not take the LS electric? Because the LS is still mainstream. As much as I'm a dyed-in-the-wool fan of combustion, I believe certain vehicle segments can and should be electric. In the realm of ultra-luxury cars, where silence and effortless power are huge selling points, an electric powertrain is perfect.
this doesn't even make any sense

But the ES is an oddball. It was never a core model for Lexus in the same way the IS, GS, and LS were. The former two were the sports sedans; rivals to the 3 Series and 5 Series with F versions to take on the finest M had to offer. The LS was the perfect alternative to an S-Class at a fraction of the price. But the ES? Who knew what that was? It was front-wheel drive, for starters, which always seemed odd.
using this argument then why in the flying f*ck did Lexus kill off the GS, and are putting the IS and LS to pasture?

I've been fortunate to drive thousands of vehicles, but the Lexus ES was arguably the most comfortable. Forget the S-Class, forget the Bentley Continental GT, the ES was the car that delivered pure, plush comfort in a way no other could.
ah! so the luxed-up (TNGA-)K car is more comfortable than a S-Class!! could it get any more hyperbolic? there's just no way--

The ES leans into comfort and quiet in much the same way a Rolls-Royce does.
--oop

And because of that, it's outlasted the Lexus GS, and it's created a niche for itself as a car that does things differently from its peers.
whoops forgot to fact-check this one

nope, it was because of profit margins and braindead salesmen

Can you imagine if the Lexus IS 500 F Sport Performance went from the sonorous naturally aspirated masterpiece of a V8 to a silent EV? Lexus fans would riot in the streets. Politely, of course, because Lexus buyers aren't hooligans, but they'd riot nonetheless. I'd be right there with them, for the record, because that Yamaha-tuned 5.0-liter V8 is a masterpiece that deserves to be preserved, no matter the cost.
*snoring, sound asleep*

*wakes up*

is this guy still going? yeah ok, better start rioting soon bud, because they're going to kill it off, just like they did with so many other RWD Lexus models, but I don't see any outrage from thus uhh *checks author name again* Roger Biermann fella

a model that exists outside the status quo and can experiment with styling and technology
the UX, NX, RX, TX are all outside the status quo... the status quo are RWD cars, but they don't raise the bar in any way

And just like the Prius, it now looks spectacular, with Lexus drawing influence from concept cars to turn it into a design that says "futuristic" without screaming "alien."
looks butt ugly, comparing this to a Prius is sacrilege, and no, it's drawing influence from the Chinese market, and it did a bang-up job at that too (sarcasm)

Early adopters aside, the mass market no longer wanted to buy EVs en masse; they wanted hybrids instead.
the mass market will not want a car that is compromised at its core, especially if it's a horrendous compromise such as this one, and not better executions like the BMW CLAR platform

But with the ES now offering both hybrid and electric powertrains, it will be a true A-B test scenario for the luxury segment. When given the choice, without the weight of expectation and peer pressure that accompanies a badge renowned for sportiness, what will luxury buyers choose?
this is perhaps the only logical point he made in this entire article

That's why the ES nameplate is so vital here. It has no sporting pretense. It's an out-there model exempt from the pressures of the luxury sports sedan market. It takes social pressure out of the equation entirely.
the GS and soon to be other Lexus RWD cars will rolling in their graves just so buyers of a gussied up Toyota cannot be peer pressured into a car that's exorbitantly, incredibly, monumentally, legendarily mid

The 2026 Lexus ES is proof that, yet again, Toyota's seemingly slow approach to the EV game was a complete masterstroke.
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this dude was paid off by Toyota lol

this is some next level glazing of a car that is extremely mediocre at best


this dude is blind, or he's probably in the metaverse or smth


that was the GS' and LS' job


this doesn't even make any sense


using this argument then why in the flying f*ck did Lexus kill off the GS, and are putting the IS and LS to pasture?


ah! so the luxed-up (TNGA-)K car is more comfortable than a S-Class!! could it get any more hyperbolic? there's just no way--


--oop


whoops forgot to fact-check this one

nope, it was because of profit margins and braindead salesmen


*snoring, sound asleep*

*wakes up*

is this guy still going? yeah ok, better start rioting soon bud, because they're going to kill it off, just like they did with so many other RWD Lexus models, but I don't see any outrage from thus uhh *checks author name again* Roger Biermann fella


the UX, NX, RX, TX are all outside the status quo... the status quo are RWD cars, but they don't raise the bar in any way


looks butt ugly, comparing this to a Prius is sacrilege, and no, it's drawing influence from the Chinese market, and it did a bang-up job at that too (sarcasm)


the mass market will not want a car that is compromised at its core, especially if it's a horrendous compromise such as this one, and not better executions like the BMW CLAR platform


this is perhaps the only logical point he made in this entire article


the GS and soon to be other Lexus RWD cars will rolling in their graves just so buyers of a gussied up Toyota cannot be peer pressured into a car that's exorbitantly, incredibly, monumentally, legendarily mid


🥱

The author must be living in a parallel universe or something. I'm literally LMFFAO omg.
 

maiaramdan

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Guys

ES was never the flagship
ES was never the lux sport executive sedan
ES was never enthusiast car

Just a cheaper FF for 60+ years old who doesn't want to drive