Toyota supra needs a lot to fix after this Z appears honestly
The v6 3.5 TT aka V35A-FTS is very much passionate and compassionate engine in comparison to the BMW i6 engine currently in uselol
This makes no sense. How is a turbo-laggy V6 any better than basically the best 6-cylinder engine that's on sale today?The v6 3.5 TT aka V35A-FTS is very much passionate and compassionate engine in comparison to the BMW i6 engine currently in use
Add to that , Toyota turned a pure fantastic design such FT-1 because of BMW
And the third failure point is by ditching the 2+2
Part of how Nissan priced the Z so competitively is that it is an update of a very old platform with a powertrain taken out of the parts bin. The cost to bring this car to market is low, and that's probably all Nissan could afford. I don't have any issue with this strategy... Lexus has been doing it for a long time with the IS, LS, LX, GX, etc. We are also seeing many other manufacturers recycle current platforms and technology while they invest the primary part of their R&D budgets into electric vehicles. In some ways, Toyota's TNGA era is probably the last of anything like it for any automaker: all-new from the ground up powertrain, chassis and technology development for ICE/hybrid powered vehicles. Nobody else can afford that for an entire lineup.
With the Supra, the difference for Toyota was that they really had no platform and no parts to use, and thus, were at BMW's mercy. Using luxury car mechanicals and technology means luxury car prices. BMW premium RWD architecture, BMW's signature I6 with ZF 8AT... the newest and best of the best when the car was developed. That cost$.
Toyota has been divesting of RWD, and while Nissan is as well, they were able to salvage the old platform and make it usable for the Z. Toyota was in the midst of a powertrain overhaul (TNGA/dynamic force) and probably didn't have the V35A-FTS spec'ed for a sports car during development, and not like they could have used it in BMW's "take and bake" formula anyway.
I will be surprised if anything comes of the next gen Supra. All signs point to BMW being done with the Z4 due to sales. If that's the case, do we see Toyota building an A100 solo at Magna Steyr? Certainly not. Then Toyota retooling a factory to be able to build old BMW hardware somewhere in USA or Japan seems very unlikely and extremely inefficient.
I think a next gen Supra comes down to what else Toyota/Lexus could build on that platform. The most logical use case would be an RC and potentially IS if the platform is good/flexible enough. The rumored tie-up with Mazda for their new coupe could be an option also. Other than that, I just don't see a viable business case for the A100 to exist unless BMW does something else on their side of the deal: 2 Series? Something else? Toyota has nothing else to refresh or re-engineer that would work for a Supra, or they would have done it with the A90.
Until then, I do think a $40-50k Z with 400hp is going to shake up the market and give the Supra some problems.
What's worse was that they invested so much into two FR platforms but neither is suitable for performance cars (or anything)...both very heavy, poorly packaged, expensive to build and cannot be converted into EV platforms. They had to abandon four flagship programs because the platforms are so hard to work with (LF-FC, GS/GS-F, LC-F, LF1). They kept saying these were cancelled because of market demand but I'm pretty certain the engineers had a lot of trouble staying below the GVM limit and the designers couldn't make the interior space usable.Toyota has been divesting of RWD, and while Nissan is as well, they were able to salvage the old platform and make it usable for the Z. Toyota was in the midst of a powertrain overhaul (TNGA/dynamic force) and probably didn't have the V35A-FTS spec'ed for a sports car during development, and not like they could have used it in BMW's "take and bake" formula anyway.
The LC is the successor to the synonyms SC which is based on Souarer , which on its own was the luxurious Supra, and that what everyone was thinking on MK5 supraThe Supra might be a good car, as a few other BMW, but it will never be on my wishlist. Not every fan is a buyer (example: LC500) for financial reasons. But that some are not interested in the car regardless is not a good sign.
Many factors go into liking a car, objective ones like spec sheet, and then emotional and even irrational ones. While Toyota is not BMW, Toyota fans are proud of this brand (as any brand fan), this cooperation just hits Toyota fan's ego. It is a factor to consider regardless of the product quality. From here on, a person weighs the pro and cons in their subjective manner, and this includes design/styling, image, specs, price.
I am not a against the Supra, it gave Toyota a sporty GR PR gap filling, until GR86, GR Yaris and further vehicles come. I do think Toyota will have something in this space, in 10 years probably all electric.
Factually, the Supra is the Z4 Coupe original BMW fans wanted, but BMW never made, because they knew they were shifting the consumer base, from 3er, 5er, 7er, Z to full range crossover and fwd vehicles. BMW is not more the brand it was, all recent M's, while competent are a shadow of their past, a well crafted marketing move, targeting the fake Instagram world to rip off the gullible with overpriced planned obsolescence gimmicky products.
That is the way most consumer oriented businesses go, but BMW is one progressive woke brand now, a far cry from the "bad boy" image that had that made them what they are, a well renowned and aspired brand.
Looks fantastic hereAnd boy do they look sexy as hell on the road. Video by @jessescheel on IG. Gun Metallic and Brilliant Silver spotted stopping for fuel. 🥵 The first car is the two-tone Brilliant Silver. The second car is the monotone Gun Metallic. Both colors look amazing in the sun here.www.nissanzclub.com
I will say go to an infiniti dealership and test drive the q60 red sport if you like it I'm sure you will love the Z. I think the z should be a better car than the Q60To replace my Mustang GT, I'm thinking the Z (or a new Mach1).
Anybody have experience driving this 3.0L tt ?
I could do that, but I personally would rather drive the real car (the new Z). My timeline is 1-2 years to replace the GT, it's been a great grand touring car for me and has 60K miles on it now.I will say go to an infiniti dealership and test drive the q60 red sport if you like it I'm sure you will love the Z. I think the z should be a better car than the Q60