None of that takes away from what I said lmao.That's false lmao. Toyota literally pulled off a gentleman's agreement with BMW by underrating their engine by quoting their horsepower numbers at the wheels and not the crank. BMW underrated their engine too but looking at the dyno it was closer to their claimed horsepower number than Toyota were closer to theirs. It's the same case for the 2021 GR Supra too.
Toyota's Supra GRMN will happen whether "daddy BMW" will like it or not. They will also add incremental updates to the engine regardless of BMW thinks. It has been said a few times that the Supra will get power bumps throughout its life cycle.
I didn't conveniently leave out the other parts. I left them out because they don't have as much relevance to the point I'm trying to make, and your other points were extremely weak anyways so I ignored them. According to recent insider news, Toyota and Tada-san had the balls to snag the BMW 7-speed DCT and their S58 engine. Tada-san in particular was eyeing BMW's 7-speed DCT for a few years and really wants to put it in the Supra (I personally don't like this idea but whatever). You're telling me that BMW couldn't have shut it down if they really didn't want to? You're just grossly ignoring the fact that Toyota has a lot more influence in this project than you think they do and was able to pull this move off as a result of their influence.You can’t just conveniently leave out the part that proves that wrong. You have been drinking too much of the SupraMKV koolaid.
BMW might not say no to Toyota’s requests, but Toyota still has to go through them
I'm going to elaborate on that figure in a little bit, but certainly true what you are saying.Yeah $240 million is literally nothing compared to what Toyota and BMW spent for the Supra and the Z4 project. This just confirms that the new Z will definitely undercut the Supra in price.
Going to detail that in a different post.However much the Supra might be "better" does not make the Z a bad car. I am glad it is coming, and not killed like some other car at Lexus. The new Z can't be any worse than the new IS.
What influence did Ghosn have on the new Z?
If true, I wish it was more known, as all media calls it a BMW with Toyota badge and gives not credit to Toyota engineering.You're just grossly ignoring the fact that Toyota has a lot more influence in this project than you think they do and was able to pull this move off as a result of their influence.
New Nissan Z car due in 2022 could take Nissan 400Z name
Nissan 370Z replacement will forgo an electric powertrain
Nissan is in the midst of an ambitious plan to rebuild the brand, boost profits, plus establish a new generation of products, and key to its turnaround is a successor to the firm’s 370Z sports car. Expected to be revealed towards the end of 2022 and go on sale the following year, the new Z car’s launch will mark 15 years since the current 370Z was introduced, back in 2008.
The Japanese firm’s short-term plan, which goes up to 2023, will see the company focus its efforts on expanding its crossover model range, launch more than eight new electric vehicles and reinvigorate its sports car line-up. At the same time Nissan will reduce its overall product portfolio by 20 per cent, by discontinuing older models or vehicles that are specific to a single region.
The 370Z replacement, rumoured to be called 400Z, will be sold across Nissan’s major markets in North America and China, as well as Europe, in order to maximise profitability. Sports cars make up one per cent of Europe’s total new car sales.
Confirmation of the new Z car came earlier this year, along with a hazy teaser image of the two-door coupé. Although design details are hard to pick out, the image did reveal that the sports car will keep the sleek, cab-rearward silhouette that first appeared on the 240Z back in the sixties. Spy shots have revealed that Nissan is already under way with development on the newcomer, using the current 370Z as a test mule. Our exclusive images give you an idea of how the finished car could look.
Talking about the styling of the upcoming sports car, Nissan’s senior vice-president for design, Alfonso Albaisa, told us: “The Z is the car that democratised sports cars back in the sixties. The current car has been a long time in the dealerships, and so you could imagine the designers working on it.
“We could never leave this alone, it’s in our soul. You can feel this in other Nissan designs, like the new Ariya; it’s not just about fuel efficiency, it wants to be driven, for the love of driving.”
To ensure the Toyota Supra rival will be profitable for Nissan – something that’s famously difficult to achieve in the sports car class due to the small sales volumes – the firm will look to leverage its position within the Renault Nissan Alliance. Rather than develop a new platform for the sports car, Nissan is likely to use an evolution of the architecture that underpins a range of models, including the Infiniti Q60 coupé.
The platform is designed for front-engined, rear-wheel-drive vehicles and is already compatible with a 3.0-litre V6 twin-turbocharged engine that is capable of producing in excess of 400bhp. Such a configuration will allow Nissan to develop the next Z model quickly, because components are readily available, while the performance figures would make the newcomer competitive in its class.
There’s also the possibility of the Nismo division developing a more powerful and more focused model further down the line.
Despite Nissan concentrating on electric and e-Power hybrid systems, Auto Express understands that the 370Z replacement will feature no electrification, and rely solely on an internal combustion engine for power. To that end, official documents released by Nissan show that an ICE vehicle will be launched towards the end of the company’s 2023 plan.
Beyond its short-term plan, Nissan will shift its focus away from Europe and try to expand the firm’s presence in China and North America. While it still intends to build and sell vehicles in Europe in the future, the firm will rely more heavily on the Alliance, chiefly Renault, by producing Nissan-badged versions of its sister company’s vehicles.
https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/190283New Fairlady Z: 400ps engine operated with 6-speed MT is thrilling!
■March 2021 debut
As with the Z33, the new Fairlady Z, which debuts in March 2021 at the earliest, will be a symbol of Nissan's restart.
Initially it was said to be a big minor change version of the current Z34 type, but it turned out to be a full model change including changes to the suspension geometry while making the most of the floor base.
The engine that fits in the body that is reminiscent of the original S30 type is a 3L, V6 twin turbo with 304ps/40.8kgm specification and 405ps/48.4kgm specification.
This engine itself has already been adopted for the skyline, but note that a 6-speed MT is also available, which is different from the skyline!
You can enjoy the joy of operating a 400ps class engine with MT. It is sure to become an exciting machine reminiscent of the old Nissan.
The price is expected to be around 4 million to 5.5 million yen.