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TOYOTA: Weaker car demand dents May results
Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. said sales fell 1.3 percent in May from a year earlier on weaker car volume. Overall, Toyota car demand fell 11 percent last month while light-truck sales rose 5.8 percent. Year-to-date sales inched 2.8 percent higher, compared with the same period a year ago.
Brands: Toyota down 1.5%, Lexus down 0.1%.
Notable nameplates: Toyota Camry down 7.9%, Toyota Corolla down 10%, Toyota RAV4 down 0.4%, Toyota Highlander up 18%, Toyota Tacoma up 21%, Toyota Tundra down 5.8%, Lexus NX down 0.7%, Lexus RX up 9.6%, Lexus LS up 186% (908 vs. 317), Lexus ES down 9.5%, Toyota C-HR up 136% (4,366 vs. 1,848).
Incentives: $2,318 per unit, down 11% from a year earlier, according to ALG.
Average transaction price: $31,675, up 2.8% from a year earlier, ALG says.
Quote: "Toyota continues to struggle in the car segments, even with an all-new Camry. There may be opportunity for vehicles like Camry with Ford leaving sedan segments, but it will still be an uphill battle with American consumers," said Akshay Anand, executive analyst for Kelley Blue Book.
Did you know? Toyota and Lexus divisions' light trucks posted a best-ever May.
You have a pointLC is just too slow for the price. Nothing against those that purchased it already, but this car is not attracting the younger, stereotypical rich “Internet type,” who would rather spend the same or more for that BMW M, Mercedes AMG or Porsche, etc. You know, something that is ACTUALLY as fast as it looks versus the LC, which may look fast, but is relatively slow.
If the LC—with that engine and that speed—listed for $75k, it might actually sell more. I say that as objectively as possible from a consumer perspective.
The brand new LS can’t outsell a Mercedes that has been out for four years and is due for a new model in two. That really doesn’t speak well imo. A new A8 is coming and when the S gets reintroduced in two years, well...not to mention Genesis is just finding its legs.
The LS tried to do too much and as a consequence, DOES NOT have an identity. It looks sporty but is slow. It’s not attracting the younger buyer just based on looks alone. It’s not, based on reports, as comfortable or as roomy as its predesssor. It tried to please everyone and as a result pleases nobody.
LC is just too slow for the price. Nothing against those that purchased it already, but this car is not attracting the younger, stereotypical rich “Internet type,” who would rather spend the same or more for that BMW M, Mercedes AMG or Porsche, etc. You know, something that is ACTUALLY as fast as it looks versus the LC, which may look fast, but is relatively slow.
If the LC—with that engine and that speed—listed for $75k, it might actually sell more. I say that as objectively as possible from a consumer perspective.
The brand new LS can’t outsell a Mercedes that has been out for four years and is due for a new model in two. That really doesn’t speak well imo. A new A8 is coming and when the S gets reintroduced in two years, well...not to mention Genesis is just finding its legs.
The LS tried to do too much and as a consequence, DOES NOT have an identity. It looks sporty but is slow. It’s not attracting the younger buyer just based on looks alone. It’s not, based on reports, as comfortable or as roomy as its predesssor. It tried to please everyone and as a result pleases nobody.
LC is just too slow for the price. Nothing against those that purchased it already, but this car is not attracting the younger, stereotypical rich “Internet type,” who would rather spend the same or more for that BMW M, Mercedes AMG or Porsche, etc. You know, something that is ACTUALLY as fast as it looks versus the LC, which may look fast, but is relatively slow.
If you judge cars based on the dollars to hp ratio then it's fair for people to judge you based on the posts to likes ratio.
Lexus LC500 - $92k base
422 -> 154
Jaguar F Type v8 - $100k
409 -> 155
Maserati GT - $134k
76 -> ??
Mercedes S560 Coupe - $124k
I couldn't get separated sales numbers from the S-class, but the
SLC/SLK did 224 -> 263
and the SL-class did: 235 -> 206
Porsche 911 Carrera S - $106k
Again. I can't get the "S"-numbers reparate, but the 911 Carrera performed as follows: 751 -> 801
Say what you want, but sales volume speaks for itself and that was the point I was trying to make. I doubt these cars are reaching beyond the typical Lexus diehard,
Edgy styling only goes so far if it’s hiding crappy, slow, old engines
You call me a hater; I like to think of myself as an objective and pragmatic realist, not some “you-can-do-no-wrong” fanboy while Lexus drives off the cliff with funny grills and dinosaur, slow and WAY overrated engines.
Count and compare those dollars to HP for the AMG E63 or BMW M5, cars that very nearly cost the same as the LC, but offer so much more.
LC is just too slow for the price. Nothing against those that purchased it already, but this car is not attracting the younger, stereotypical rich “Internet type,” who would rather spend the same or more for that BMW M, Mercedes AMG or Porsche, etc. You know, something that is ACTUALLY as fast as it looks versus the LC, which may look fast, but is relatively slow.
If the LC—with that engine and that speed—listed for $75k, it might actually sell more. I say that as objectively as possible from a consumer perspective.
The brand new LS can’t outsell a Mercedes that has been out for four years and is due for a new model in two. That really doesn’t speak well imo. A new A8 is coming and when the S gets reintroduced in two years, well...not to mention Genesis is just finding its legs.
The LS tried to do too much and as a consequence, DOES NOT have an identity. It looks sporty but is slow. It’s not attracting the younger buyer just based on looks alone. It’s not, based on reports, as comfortable or as roomy as its predesssor. It tried to please everyone and as a result pleases nobody.
3. Hater, troll, doesn't really matter to me. Nobody paid attention to you on CL and now you're trying luck here.