Lexus LFA II Megathread

[Gor134]

There are no GR dealers in Japan.

I was under the assumption you can purchase cars from the GR Garages

 

[ssun30]

They might as well start offering this engine in other products if it isn't going to be worthy of a halo car. It would be a fine engine for a 5.0 replacement. IS, SC, LX, GR Tundra, GR LC300, LS replacement, Century sedan, etc..

It probably has too many hand-built parts to be produced at mass scale. The rumored annual production number is just 500, though at this point I doubt they could even sell that many.

 

[Kelvin2020]

True. But when you have a network of dealers used to selling luxury cars, setting up one corner of the showroom with checkered flags wouldn't be too hard, would it? 👀

I believe they know no one would spend this much money on a car with a Toyota badge. Deep down, they understand this very well. Some people inside probably wanted to give it a Lexus badge to continue the LFA story, but because of one stubborn person at the top, the car must wear the Toyota badge. On the outside, they try to make it sound like it’s a GR branded Supercar. In reality they know it would make more sense to sell it as a Lexus, for the image, the positioning, and the dealerships. But they refuse to do that. That’s why this strange situation happened🤦🏻‍♂️a GR car being sold at Lexus showrooms. There are even rumors that the whole GR lineup and the Century might also be sold through Lexus dealers.

They now need to make the distinction between Toyota and Lexus clearer than ever before, being vague helps no one.

 

[Kelvin2020]

😔

 

[sl0519]

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lives on (as a Toyota)

 

[Falcon]

I'm pretty sure they will decouple the Toyota branding from GR.

 

[sl0519]

I'm pretty sure they will decouple the Toyota branding from GR.

Yeah, sure, just decouple it like it’s that easy. Funny thing is, every single GR product is a Toyota. Unless they start sticking GR badges on Lexuses now, this is just another case of them sniffing out wherever the money is. Whoever’s got the bigger wallet, that’s where they’ll run to. Classic.

 

[mediumhot]

1) They are telling us Lexus will get GR branding for dedicated performance models (highly unlikely)
2) They are telling us Lexus = Toyota once again and forget decades of hard work engineering and marketing to decouple Lexus from Toyota in order to achieve prestige and break into Tier 1 msrp (very likely)

 

[mediumhot]

Don't wanna take away nothing from dev team GR who came up with GT3 but this car has nothing to do with LFA and Haruhiko Tanahashi. Haruhiko was in charge of Lexus cars, or should I say cars that were meant to be Lexus first and foremost in US/EU and Toyotas in Japan second cause management was afraid to launch Lexus over there for way too long. His crown jewel was LFA to spark the F performance brand for Lexus premium brand. These two cars share nothing in common when it comes to lineage to be on the same marketing material together. GR GT3 is a grown up Supra who earned its right to fight 911 and midengine Ferraris on the grid. They should have called it Supra GT3 imo.

 

[Demetrius]

The media seems to chalk this up to Toyota debuting this in the domestic market, thus they're revealing it as a Toyota/GR. They still seem certain there will be a Lexus LFR for the US market. Contradicts my gut feeling, but we'll see Monday

 

[Gecko]

Not to get ahead of myself here 👀 but we are talking about two different cars in this thread: The upcoming GR GT, and then the Lexus electric sport concept/sport concept.

GR GT = what everyone expected to be the LFR.
Electric Sport Concept/Sport Concept = actual possible next gen LFA.

I guess naturally once the GR GT debuts, this thread will go back to focusing on the latter, the future LFA? Breaking apart a 39 page thread for two different cars aint happening 😄

 

[Gor134]

GR GT = what everyone expected to be the LFR.
Electric Sport Concept/Sport Concept = actual possible next gen LFA.

Isn't it 3 cars?

GR GT
Electrified Sport - EV LFA
Sport Concept - SC replacing RC/LC into one model and platform shared with A100 (as rumoured by BestCar)

 

[Gecko]

I think Best Car is wrong about that last part. A100 will be a hybrid (most likely new 2.0T + batteries) whereas the 2025 Sport Concept was a follow up on the 2021 Electrified Sport concept. In the promo materials, it has no exhaust pipes and no induction/engine sound so I'd bet on it being an EV which Supra won't be.

 

[Gor134]

whereas the 2025 Sport Concept was a follow up on the 2021 Electrified Sport concept

The proportions are completely different though.

The 2021 Electrified Sport seems to be very similar in proportions to the GR GT, while the 2025 Sport Concept to me appears to be a significantly smaller, mid-level sports car.



It's got far less exotic proportions and far shorter dash-to-axle (not that it needs it, being an EV, but still) , so I don't see it being the EV LFA.

 

[CRSKTN]

For all we know it'll end up coming out as the "Prius Coupe".

In the meantime, Mercedes has put out a perfect coupe concept.





It's something out of the great gatbsy, and perfectly incorporates the absolute best era of MB design.

 

[Kelvin2020]

For all we know it'll end up coming out as the "Prius Coupe".

In the meantime, Mercedes has put out a perfect coupe concept.

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It's something out of the great gatbsy, and perfectly incorporates the absolute best era of MB design.

I’m gonna say this is one of the best concept car I’ve seen since LF-LC. Clean and elegant.


Shame on you, Lexus

 

[Falcon]

I’m gonna say this is one of the best concept car I’ve seen since LF-LC. Clean and elegant.


Shame on you, Lexus

how is it in any way comparable to the lf-lc

that car came to production pretty much AS IS

this car won't even look remotely the same if it comes to production more than likely it's a design direction

 

[ssun30]

MB already said they are keeping V12s well past Euro 7, and the SL Maybach isn't doing well because it's not special enough. As more and more regular luxury products go fully BEV, the demand for highly unique ICEV products such as a retro-style V12 coupe will boom. We see this in many markets, for example smartphone replacing dedicated digital cameras actually increased demand for retro film/CCD cameras.

 

[DarkSpace6383]

1) They are telling us Lexus will get GR branding for dedicated performance models (highly unlikely)
2) They are telling us Lexus = Toyota once again and forget decades of hard work engineering and marketing to decouple Lexus from Toyota in order to achieve prestige and break into Tier 1 msrp (very likely)

The first part is more likely than people think. Kirk Kriefels made a video on it.

 

[Kelvin2020]

how is it in any way comparable to the lf-lc

that car came to production pretty much AS IS

this car won't even look remotely the same if it comes to production more than likely it's a design direction

I didn’t say they’re comparable in terms of production reality, obviously LF-LC translated almost directly into the LC500, while this one probably won’t. What I meant is that in terms of concept design impact and presentation, this is as beautiful as the LF-LC🙂