Lexus August 2018 Sales Report

Posted by Kevin on September 4th, 2018

USA

Lexus USA has reported 28,622 total sales for August 2018, a 7.1% decrease over last year — here’s the model-by-model breakdown:

MONTH Year to Date (*DSR)
2018 2017 % CHG* 2018 2017 % CHG*
CT 0 204 -100 4 4,572 -99.9
IS 2,231 2,445 -8.8 15,595 17,216 -9.9
RC 327 665 -50.8 2,335 4,286 -45.8
ES 4,686 6,404 -26.8 29,138 34,845 -16.8
GS 549 689 -20.3 4,707 4,894 -4.3
LS 923 413 123.5 6,004 2,670 123.8
LC 210 291 -28 1,392 1449 -4
LFA 0 0 0 2 1 99
Total Cars 8,926 11,111 -19.7 59,177 69,933 -15.8
NX 5,644 5,517 2.3 38,969 36,946 5.0
RX 10,875 10,391 4.7 70,706 66,760 5.4
GX 2,773 3336 -16.9 16,817 16,308 2.6
LX 404 446 -9.4 3,356 3,516 -5.0
Total Trucks 19,696 19,690 0.0 129,848 123,530 4.6
Total Sales 28,622 30,801 -7.1 189,025 193,463 -2.8

Please note, all percentages are calculated by the Daily Sales Rate (DSR), which takes into account the number of days in the month that dealerships could sell cars. August 2018 had 27 selling days, August 2017 had 27 selling days.

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spwolf
I am thinking that Lexus can easily do PHEV versions of all of their hybrid systems, like Toyota did for Prime. If they can bring the costs down, and new TNGA already accounts for this, we could see extra 10 kwh in battery capacity for plugins, which also unlocks extra 100hp in power... so IS300h becomes 300hp vehicle... LS500h becomes 450hp vehicle. All these cars have powerful electric motors already, just like Prius did, question is just of maximum battery output which is limited by size of the battery.

In regular hybrid mode, they would have maybe 20-30hp extra, but in performance mode it could have extra 100hp at the cost of "consumption".
That's not how the maths works for input-split hybrid. The hybrid transaxle can only handle a limited amount of power so for PHVs the maximum combined output is not the sum of the ICE and the traction battery (it is for regular hybrids because their batteries are very small). TNGA hybrids focus heavily on 'motor downsizing', which means the motors are designed to be minimum size required to achieve the designed output for regular hybrid operations. That's why the Prime has that clutch to allow both MG1 and MG2 to drive the wheels in EV mode. Bigger hybrid systems might gain a few horsepower, but 100hp extra is highly unlikely. The multi-stage still has some over-provisioning, so it could be the only one getting significant gains.
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spwolf
I am thinking that Lexus can easily do PHEV versions of all of their hybrid systems, like Toyota did for Prime. If they can bring the costs down, and new TNGA already accounts for this, we could see extra 10 kwh in battery capacity for plugins, which also unlocks extra 100hp in power... so IS300h becomes 300hp vehicle... LS500h becomes 450hp vehicle. All these cars have powerful electric motors already, just like Prius did, question is just of maximum battery output which is limited by size of the battery.

In regular hybrid mode, they would have maybe 20-30hp extra, but in performance mode it could have extra 100hp at the cost of "consumption".
That's not how the maths works for input-split hybrid. The hybrid transaxle can only handle a limited amount of power so for PHVs the maximum combined output is not the sum of the ICE and the traction battery (it is for regular hybrids because their batteries are very small). TNGA hybrids focus heavily on 'motor downsizing', which means the motors are designed to be minimum size required to achieve the designed output for regular hybrid operations. That's why the Prime has that clutch to allow both MG1 and MG2 to drive the wheels in EV mode. Bigger hybrid systems might gain a few horsepower, but 100hp extra is highly unlikely. The multi-stage still has some over-provisioning, so it could be the only one getting significant gains.
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10kWh of battery capacity, with 100% conversion efficiency (not happening) would convert into 13.4 horsepower hours. Meaning 1hp for 13.4h or 13.4hp for 1h. You could theoretically get 100hp out of it, but only for less than 5 minutes at a time. Of course, as ssun30 stated, the powertrain (motors, gearbox, etc...) has to be capable of handling the extra power.
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10kWh of battery capacity, with 100% conversion efficiency (not happening) would convert into 13.4 horsepower hours. Meaning 1hp for 13.4h or 13.4hp for 1h. You could theoretically get 100hp out of it, but only for less than 5 minutes at a time. Of course, as ssun30 stated, the powertrain (motors, gearbox, etc...) has to be capable of handling the extra power.
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10kWh of battery capacity, with 100% conversion efficiency (not happening) would convert into 13.4 horsepower hours. Meaning 1hp for 13.4h or 13.4hp for 1h. You could theoretically get 100hp out of it, but only for less than 5 minutes at a time. Of course, as ssun30 stated, the powertrain (motors, gearbox, etc...) has to be capable of handling the extra power.
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TheNerdyPotato
10kWh of battery capacity, with 100% conversion efficiency (not happening) would convert into 13.4 horsepower hours. Meaning 1hp for 13.4h or 13.4hp for 1h. You could theoretically get 100hp out of it, but only for less than 5 minutes at a time.
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
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TheNerdyPotato
10kWh of battery capacity, with 100% conversion efficiency (not happening) would convert into 13.4 horsepower hours. Meaning 1hp for 13.4h or 13.4hp for 1h. You could theoretically get 100hp out of it, but only for less than 5 minutes at a time.
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
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TheNerdyPotato
10kWh of battery capacity, with 100% conversion efficiency (not happening) would convert into 13.4 horsepower hours. Meaning 1hp for 13.4h or 13.4hp for 1h. You could theoretically get 100hp out of it, but only for less than 5 minutes at a time.
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
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ssun30
That's not how the maths works for input-split hybrid. The hybrid transaxle can only handle a limited amount of power so for PHVs the maximum combined output is not the sum of the ICE and the traction battery (it is for regular hybrids because their batteries are very small). TNGA hybrids focus heavily on 'motor downsizing', which means the motors are designed to be minimum size required to achieve the designed output for regular hybrid operations. That's why the Prime has that clutch to allow both MG1 and MG2 to drive the wheels in EV mode. Bigger hybrid systems might gain a few horsepower, but 100hp extra is highly unlikely. The multi-stage still has some over-provisioning, so it could be the only one getting significant gains.
If they decided on this, they already future proofed the system... new 300h's main motor still has 118hp.

Question is if they believe this to be right action to take, not if it is possible - it certainly is, just the question if they decide to do it or not.
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ssun30
That's not how the maths works for input-split hybrid. The hybrid transaxle can only handle a limited amount of power so for PHVs the maximum combined output is not the sum of the ICE and the traction battery (it is for regular hybrids because their batteries are very small). TNGA hybrids focus heavily on 'motor downsizing', which means the motors are designed to be minimum size required to achieve the designed output for regular hybrid operations. That's why the Prime has that clutch to allow both MG1 and MG2 to drive the wheels in EV mode. Bigger hybrid systems might gain a few horsepower, but 100hp extra is highly unlikely. The multi-stage still has some over-provisioning, so it could be the only one getting significant gains.
If they decided on this, they already future proofed the system... new 300h's main motor still has 118hp.

Question is if they believe this to be right action to take, not if it is possible - it certainly is, just the question if they decide to do it or not.
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ssun30
That's not how the maths works for input-split hybrid. The hybrid transaxle can only handle a limited amount of power so for PHVs the maximum combined output is not the sum of the ICE and the traction battery (it is for regular hybrids because their batteries are very small). TNGA hybrids focus heavily on 'motor downsizing', which means the motors are designed to be minimum size required to achieve the designed output for regular hybrid operations. That's why the Prime has that clutch to allow both MG1 and MG2 to drive the wheels in EV mode. Bigger hybrid systems might gain a few horsepower, but 100hp extra is highly unlikely. The multi-stage still has some over-provisioning, so it could be the only one getting significant gains.
If they decided on this, they already future proofed the system... new 300h's main motor still has 118hp.

Question is if they believe this to be right action to take, not if it is possible - it certainly is, just the question if they decide to do it or not.
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ssun30
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
indeed, and recharging is question of mpg, nothing else... they can simply recharge with engine more to get back some of the power, but yes this will decrease MPG substantially... but will give you really a sport hybrid.

Right now every hybrid that Toyota has only one mission - to increase mpg. Only with recently introduced UX and ES, they started mentioning more about sports mode that gives more battery power. This was possible before as well but it would decrease mpg so they did not care about it.
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ssun30
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
indeed, and recharging is question of mpg, nothing else... they can simply recharge with engine more to get back some of the power, but yes this will decrease MPG substantially... but will give you really a sport hybrid.

Right now every hybrid that Toyota has only one mission - to increase mpg. Only with recently introduced UX and ES, they started mentioning more about sports mode that gives more battery power. This was possible before as well but it would decrease mpg so they did not care about it.
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ssun30
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
indeed, and recharging is question of mpg, nothing else... they can simply recharge with engine more to get back some of the power, but yes this will decrease MPG substantially... but will give you really a sport hybrid.

Right now every hybrid that Toyota has only one mission - to increase mpg. Only with recently introduced UX and ES, they started mentioning more about sports mode that gives more battery power. This was possible before as well but it would decrease mpg so they did not care about it.
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ssun30
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
You're right. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. Maybe the range limitations that spwolf mentioned. I had just got back from a week vacation and my brain was (and still is) frazzled.
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ssun30
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
You're right. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. Maybe the range limitations that spwolf mentioned. I had just got back from a week vacation and my brain was (and still is) frazzled.
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ssun30
You could easily get 75kW(100hp) out of a 10kWh battery, it's not even 'just theoretical'. The 8.8 kWh unit from the Prims already makes 70kW(93hp). PHV batteries are usually rated at 5-10C, which means the (numerical value of) power is 5-10 times the capacity. At 7.5C a battery will completely discharge in 8 minutes (60/7.5), but all ratings are 'peak values', the definition of which varies. Usually it's a 15-second burst or 30-second burst scenario (to simulate an overtake maneuver, for example). Most of the time the vehicle will be cruising at 80-120kph and only requests 15-40kW of power, but manufacturers rarely disclose 'sustained cruising power' for batteries.
You're right. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. Maybe the range limitations that spwolf mentioned. I had just got back from a week vacation and my brain was (and still is) frazzled.
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TheNerdyPotato
Maybe the range limitations that spwolf mentioned.
german phevs, while really bad in general, have mode that lets engine recharge battery aggressively.... so it could actually work pretty well in HSD, but again question is what about getting pretty bad mpg since engine would be running at higher rpms all the time to recharge battery faster.

and it in all my reviews of phev's reading, this has been mentioned 1 or 2 times... and it is a major problem but i guess if they dont care about Porsche Phev losing half of ev-power after some aggressive driving, would they care about Toyota/Lexus?
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TheNerdyPotato
Maybe the range limitations that spwolf mentioned.
german phevs, while really bad in general, have mode that lets engine recharge battery aggressively.... so it could actually work pretty well in HSD, but again question is what about getting pretty bad mpg since engine would be running at higher rpms all the time to recharge battery faster.

and it in all my reviews of phev's reading, this has been mentioned 1 or 2 times... and it is a major problem but i guess if they dont care about Porsche Phev losing half of ev-power after some aggressive driving, would they care about Toyota/Lexus?
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TheNerdyPotato
Maybe the range limitations that spwolf mentioned.
german phevs, while really bad in general, have mode that lets engine recharge battery aggressively.... so it could actually work pretty well in HSD, but again question is what about getting pretty bad mpg since engine would be running at higher rpms all the time to recharge battery faster.

and it in all my reviews of phev's reading, this has been mentioned 1 or 2 times... and it is a major problem but i guess if they dont care about Porsche Phev losing half of ev-power after some aggressive driving, would they care about Toyota/Lexus?
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spwolf
german phevs, while really bad in general, have mode that lets engine recharge battery aggressively.... so it could actually work pretty well in HSD, but again question is what about getting pretty bad mpg since engine would be running at higher rpms all the time to recharge battery faster.

and it in all my reviews of phev's reading, this has been mentioned 1 or 2 times... and it is a major problem but i guess if they dont care about Porsche Phev losing half of ev-power after some aggressive driving, would they care about Toyota/Lexus?
Because they don't understand the concept of things working to perfection. They're so blinded by the fact that while at times they may push out dynamically superior cars, they can't manage to hold a damn candle to what Lexus (and to a greater extent Toyota) is able to do. The only exception to this is Porsche, even then, Toyota are much more ahead of them in terms of hybrid technology, and also the fact that they're taking great care of how the battery will live during its lifetime, so they make everything about it toned down and understressed, because for most buyers, they want something with no frills. The only issue to this is the god-awful CVT that's mated to the engine, but if it had the 8-speed automatic or even the multistage-hybrid system transmission, it would do the car wonders in terms of performance, also having pretty good fuel economy at the same time. It's reached to that point for me that CVT's in this day and age are quite dangerously slow. Would you sacrifice five, or maybe if all hell goes loose, ten miles per gallon (I know it doesn't even make that much of a difference, but I'm trying to make a point here), even though with a CVT is horrendously slow, and can really hurt you in terms of performance? Sometimes performance is necessary, because that allows the driver to do crucial things when on the road, like passing, overtaking, or launching off the line in important situations. I also feel like it won't also make a huge difference in fuel economy either. This is the only thing that I feel the Germans are edging out the Japanese. Nothing else.

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