Lexus August 2018 Sales Report

Posted by Kevin on September 4th, 2018

USA

Lexus USA has reported 28,622 total sales for August 2018, a 7.1% decrease over last year — here’s the model-by-model breakdown:

MONTH Year to Date (*DSR)
2018 2017 % CHG* 2018 2017 % CHG*
CT 0 204 -100 4 4,572 -99.9
IS 2,231 2,445 -8.8 15,595 17,216 -9.9
RC 327 665 -50.8 2,335 4,286 -45.8
ES 4,686 6,404 -26.8 29,138 34,845 -16.8
GS 549 689 -20.3 4,707 4,894 -4.3
LS 923 413 123.5 6,004 2,670 123.8
LC 210 291 -28 1,392 1449 -4
LFA 0 0 0 2 1 99
Total Cars 8,926 11,111 -19.7 59,177 69,933 -15.8
NX 5,644 5,517 2.3 38,969 36,946 5.0
RX 10,875 10,391 4.7 70,706 66,760 5.4
GX 2,773 3336 -16.9 16,817 16,308 2.6
LX 404 446 -9.4 3,356 3,516 -5.0
Total Trucks 19,696 19,690 0.0 129,848 123,530 4.6
Total Sales 28,622 30,801 -7.1 189,025 193,463 -2.8

Please note, all percentages are calculated by the Daily Sales Rate (DSR), which takes into account the number of days in the month that dealerships could sell cars. August 2018 had 27 selling days, August 2017 had 27 selling days.

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CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 27, 2018
I've just come across today some interesting information I overheard from a distant source.

Supposedly:

- By 2021, all of the engines on the new TNGA/Dynamic Force family diagram will be revealed
- the entire Dynamic Force engine family will comprise of 6 inline engines and 3 V engines

If true, there are some revelations here. That would mean the mystery engine between the A25A and V35A on the diagram will be an inline engine, and not a V engine. Will it be an inline 4, or could (shockingly) the BMW collaboration inline 6 engine end up appearing on the TNGA/Dynamic Force diagram? That would truly be shocking if that ended up being the case, as that would mean the supposed BMW collaboration inline 6 is almost entirely a Toyota design.

Also if true this would confirm the two mystery engines above the V35A are certainly V engines.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 27, 2018
I've just come across today some interesting information I overheard from a distant source.

Supposedly:

- By 2021, all of the engines on the new TNGA/Dynamic Force family diagram will be revealed
- the entire Dynamic Force engine family will comprise of 6 inline engines and 3 V engines

If true, there are some revelations here. That would mean the mystery engine between the A25A and V35A on the diagram will be an inline engine, and not a V engine. Will it be an inline 4, or could (shockingly) the BMW collaboration inline 6 engine end up appearing on the TNGA/Dynamic Force diagram? That would truly be shocking if that ended up being the case, as that would mean the supposed BMW collaboration inline 6 is almost entirely a Toyota design.

Also if true this would confirm the two mystery engines above the V35A are certainly V engines.
S
CIF
I've just come across today some interesting information I overheard from a distant source.

Supposedly:

- By 2021, all of the engines on the new TNGA/Dynamic Force family diagram will be revealed
- the entire Dynamic Force engine family will comprise of 6 inline engines and 3 V engines

If true, there are some revelations here. That would mean the mystery engine between the A25A and V35A on the diagram will be an inline engine, and not a V engine. Will it be an inline 4, or could (shockingly) the BMW collaboration inline 6 engine end up appearing on the TNGA/Dynamic Force diagram? That would truly be shocking if that ended up being the case, as that would mean the supposed BMW collaboration inline 6 is almost entirely a Toyota design.

Also if true this would confirm the two mystery engines above the V35A are certainly V engines.
it is going to be that rumored 2.4/2.5l turbo engine... and those 2 others are V8's.
S
CIF
I've just come across today some interesting information I overheard from a distant source.

Supposedly:

- By 2021, all of the engines on the new TNGA/Dynamic Force family diagram will be revealed
- the entire Dynamic Force engine family will comprise of 6 inline engines and 3 V engines

If true, there are some revelations here. That would mean the mystery engine between the A25A and V35A on the diagram will be an inline engine, and not a V engine. Will it be an inline 4, or could (shockingly) the BMW collaboration inline 6 engine end up appearing on the TNGA/Dynamic Force diagram? That would truly be shocking if that ended up being the case, as that would mean the supposed BMW collaboration inline 6 is almost entirely a Toyota design.

Also if true this would confirm the two mystery engines above the V35A are certainly V engines.
it is going to be that rumored 2.4/2.5l turbo engine... and those 2 others are V8's.
S
CIF
I've just come across today some interesting information I overheard from a distant source.

Supposedly:

- By 2021, all of the engines on the new TNGA/Dynamic Force family diagram will be revealed
- the entire Dynamic Force engine family will comprise of 6 inline engines and 3 V engines

If true, there are some revelations here. That would mean the mystery engine between the A25A and V35A on the diagram will be an inline engine, and not a V engine. Will it be an inline 4, or could (shockingly) the BMW collaboration inline 6 engine end up appearing on the TNGA/Dynamic Force diagram? That would truly be shocking if that ended up being the case, as that would mean the supposed BMW collaboration inline 6 is almost entirely a Toyota design.

Also if true this would confirm the two mystery engines above the V35A are certainly V engines.
it is going to be that rumored 2.4/2.5l turbo engine... and those 2 others are V8's.
Gecko
From what I've read:
  • the new "JZ" I6 that's being developed with BMW is exclusive to the Supra and won't be shared with any other Toyota applications.
  • BMW turned over the basic architecture of their I6 and then Toyota has tweaked it to their liking, and it was agreed to be produced from cast iron.
  • It sounds like BMW has done/provided the lion's share of the work with Toyota doing tuning tweaks.
Gecko
From what I've read:
  • the new "JZ" I6 that's being developed with BMW is exclusive to the Supra and won't be shared with any other Toyota applications.
  • BMW turned over the basic architecture of their I6 and then Toyota has tweaked it to their liking, and it was agreed to be produced from cast iron.
  • It sounds like BMW has done/provided the lion's share of the work with Toyota doing tuning tweaks.
Gecko
From what I've read:
  • the new "JZ" I6 that's being developed with BMW is exclusive to the Supra and won't be shared with any other Toyota applications.
  • BMW turned over the basic architecture of their I6 and then Toyota has tweaked it to their liking, and it was agreed to be produced from cast iron.
  • It sounds like BMW has done/provided the lion's share of the work with Toyota doing tuning tweaks.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
spwolf
it is going to be that rumored 2.4/2.5l turbo engine... and those 2 others are V8's.
That engine will slot into the chart between the M20A and A25A. I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
spwolf
it is going to be that rumored 2.4/2.5l turbo engine... and those 2 others are V8's.
That engine will slot into the chart between the M20A and A25A. I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
spwolf
it is going to be that rumored 2.4/2.5l turbo engine... and those 2 others are V8's.
That engine will slot into the chart between the M20A and A25A. I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
T
CIF
That engine will slot into the chart between the M20A and A25A. I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
T
CIF
That engine will slot into the chart between the M20A and A25A. I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
T
CIF
That engine will slot into the chart between the M20A and A25A. I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
TheNerdyPotato
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
The chart clearly is sorted by displacement for the engines. Whether an engine has turbos or not is irrelevant to the chart. If the rumored engine ends up as a 2.5L, it makes zero sense for it to be listed as a separate engine on the chart. That would simply mean it's a turbo version of the A25A. If it's a 2.4L turbo, then that would be a separate engine from the A25A. Likewise a 2.0L turbo engine wouldn't make sense to be listed as a separate engine on the chart, because again that would simply be a turbo version of the M20A.

If you're implying Toyota would use different architectures for any supposed 2.5L turbo or 2.0L turbo then that doesn't not make sense at all and is contrary to the TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. Look at the chart carefully again. It confirms a total of 9 Dynamic Force engines, and 17 variants. A 2.5L turbo or new 2.0L turbo would be simply variants of already debuted Dynamic Force engines. Only a 2.4L turbo would be considered as a separate engine, since no 2.4L Dynamic Force engine has debuted.

So therefore, the only logical conclusion here is that all other yet to be revealed Dynamic Force engines on the chart MUST all be of different displacements to each other, and of different displacements to the Dynamic Force engines revealed so far. This is fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
TheNerdyPotato
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
The chart clearly is sorted by displacement for the engines. Whether an engine has turbos or not is irrelevant to the chart. If the rumored engine ends up as a 2.5L, it makes zero sense for it to be listed as a separate engine on the chart. That would simply mean it's a turbo version of the A25A. If it's a 2.4L turbo, then that would be a separate engine from the A25A. Likewise a 2.0L turbo engine wouldn't make sense to be listed as a separate engine on the chart, because again that would simply be a turbo version of the M20A.

If you're implying Toyota would use different architectures for any supposed 2.5L turbo or 2.0L turbo then that doesn't not make sense at all and is contrary to the TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. Look at the chart carefully again. It confirms a total of 9 Dynamic Force engines, and 17 variants. A 2.5L turbo or new 2.0L turbo would be simply variants of already debuted Dynamic Force engines. Only a 2.4L turbo would be considered as a separate engine, since no 2.4L Dynamic Force engine has debuted.

So therefore, the only logical conclusion here is that all other yet to be revealed Dynamic Force engines on the chart MUST all be of different displacements to each other, and of different displacements to the Dynamic Force engines revealed so far. This is fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
TheNerdyPotato
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
The chart clearly is sorted by displacement for the engines. Whether an engine has turbos or not is irrelevant to the chart. If the rumored engine ends up as a 2.5L, it makes zero sense for it to be listed as a separate engine on the chart. That would simply mean it's a turbo version of the A25A. If it's a 2.4L turbo, then that would be a separate engine from the A25A. Likewise a 2.0L turbo engine wouldn't make sense to be listed as a separate engine on the chart, because again that would simply be a turbo version of the M20A.

If you're implying Toyota would use different architectures for any supposed 2.5L turbo or 2.0L turbo then that doesn't not make sense at all and is contrary to the TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. Look at the chart carefully again. It confirms a total of 9 Dynamic Force engines, and 17 variants. A 2.5L turbo or new 2.0L turbo would be simply variants of already debuted Dynamic Force engines. Only a 2.4L turbo would be considered as a separate engine, since no 2.4L Dynamic Force engine has debuted.

So therefore, the only logical conclusion here is that all other yet to be revealed Dynamic Force engines on the chart MUST all be of different displacements to each other, and of different displacements to the Dynamic Force engines revealed so far. This is fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy.
S
TheNerdyPotato
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
@CIF yeah, i also think 2.5t is that engine.

between 2.0l and 2.5l might be many different possibilities. I am not sure the chart does not show approximation based on hp, ie like 300h vs 250h.
And I am not sure if they will fit reworked 2.0t into that chart, I am thinking they wont.
S
TheNerdyPotato
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
@CIF yeah, i also think 2.5t is that engine.

between 2.0l and 2.5l might be many different possibilities. I am not sure the chart does not show approximation based on hp, ie like 300h vs 250h.
And I am not sure if they will fit reworked 2.0t into that chart, I am thinking they wont.
S
TheNerdyPotato
It could be either that the 2.5T is the bigger engine with an unannounced new 2.0T being the smaller one. Or, it could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
@CIF yeah, i also think 2.5t is that engine.

between 2.0l and 2.5l might be many different possibilities. I am not sure the chart does not show approximation based on hp, ie like 300h vs 250h.
And I am not sure if they will fit reworked 2.0t into that chart, I am thinking they wont.
S
CIF
So therefore, the only logical conclusion here is that all other yet to be revealed Dynamic Force engines on the chart MUST all be of different displacements to each other, and of different displacements to the Dynamic Force engines revealed so far. This is fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy.
I dont think chart itself and placement of engines are fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. They can simply consider changes large enough to call it a different engine. Which is likely what is happening here.
S
CIF
So therefore, the only logical conclusion here is that all other yet to be revealed Dynamic Force engines on the chart MUST all be of different displacements to each other, and of different displacements to the Dynamic Force engines revealed so far. This is fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy.
I dont think chart itself and placement of engines are fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. They can simply consider changes large enough to call it a different engine. Which is likely what is happening here.
S
CIF
So therefore, the only logical conclusion here is that all other yet to be revealed Dynamic Force engines on the chart MUST all be of different displacements to each other, and of different displacements to the Dynamic Force engines revealed so far. This is fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy.
I dont think chart itself and placement of engines are fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. They can simply consider changes large enough to call it a different engine. Which is likely what is happening here.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
spwolf
I dont think chart itself and placement of engines are fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. They can simply consider changes large enough to call it a different engine. Which is likely what is happening here.
I don't have time to post all the links, but go through Toyota's Global newsroom and look at all the technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department. They very clearly outline the philosophy of Dynamic Force going in line with TNGA is less waste, less redundancy, more efficient use of resources and architectures, and more modularization. A slightly reworked A25A or slightly reworked M20A will not be considered a new engine. The technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department make it clear that Dynamic Force fundamentally comprises a number of base engine architectures (9 engines) and a number of variants stemming from those base architectures (17 variants). To save resources, all Dynamic Force engines use a common basic engine architecture philosophy but then each engine architecture gets a number of changes based on need. From there variants like turbocharged versions stem out. If a major reworking of the A25A or M20A includes a displacement change, well yes then that would be considered a different engine under the Dynamic Force family.

This would be like saying the 2GR-FKS should be named under a different engine family than the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE. These variants have a number of moderate changes inside of them, yet they are not major enough to be called a different engine family, they are all part of the same engine family.

This is Toyota's philosophy on TNGA and Dynamic Force. I know what I know because I've looked at all the public technical documents from the powertrain department. Whether you wish to believe this or not is up to you.

The chart itself is not fundamental, but there is a very logical order to the chart and what is or isn't considered a new Dynamic Force engine the chart makes fairly clear.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
spwolf
I dont think chart itself and placement of engines are fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. They can simply consider changes large enough to call it a different engine. Which is likely what is happening here.
I don't have time to post all the links, but go through Toyota's Global newsroom and look at all the technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department. They very clearly outline the philosophy of Dynamic Force going in line with TNGA is less waste, less redundancy, more efficient use of resources and architectures, and more modularization. A slightly reworked A25A or slightly reworked M20A will not be considered a new engine. The technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department make it clear that Dynamic Force fundamentally comprises a number of base engine architectures (9 engines) and a number of variants stemming from those base architectures (17 variants). To save resources, all Dynamic Force engines use a common basic engine architecture philosophy but then each engine architecture gets a number of changes based on need. From there variants like turbocharged versions stem out. If a major reworking of the A25A or M20A includes a displacement change, well yes then that would be considered a different engine under the Dynamic Force family.

This would be like saying the 2GR-FKS should be named under a different engine family than the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE. These variants have a number of moderate changes inside of them, yet they are not major enough to be called a different engine family, they are all part of the same engine family.

This is Toyota's philosophy on TNGA and Dynamic Force. I know what I know because I've looked at all the public technical documents from the powertrain department. Whether you wish to believe this or not is up to you.

The chart itself is not fundamental, but there is a very logical order to the chart and what is or isn't considered a new Dynamic Force engine the chart makes fairly clear.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 28, 2018
spwolf
I dont think chart itself and placement of engines are fundamental to TNGA and Dynamic Force philosophy. They can simply consider changes large enough to call it a different engine. Which is likely what is happening here.
I don't have time to post all the links, but go through Toyota's Global newsroom and look at all the technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department. They very clearly outline the philosophy of Dynamic Force going in line with TNGA is less waste, less redundancy, more efficient use of resources and architectures, and more modularization. A slightly reworked A25A or slightly reworked M20A will not be considered a new engine. The technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department make it clear that Dynamic Force fundamentally comprises a number of base engine architectures (9 engines) and a number of variants stemming from those base architectures (17 variants). To save resources, all Dynamic Force engines use a common basic engine architecture philosophy but then each engine architecture gets a number of changes based on need. From there variants like turbocharged versions stem out. If a major reworking of the A25A or M20A includes a displacement change, well yes then that would be considered a different engine under the Dynamic Force family.

This would be like saying the 2GR-FKS should be named under a different engine family than the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE. These variants have a number of moderate changes inside of them, yet they are not major enough to be called a different engine family, they are all part of the same engine family.

This is Toyota's philosophy on TNGA and Dynamic Force. I know what I know because I've looked at all the public technical documents from the powertrain department. Whether you wish to believe this or not is up to you.

The chart itself is not fundamental, but there is a very logical order to the chart and what is or isn't considered a new Dynamic Force engine the chart makes fairly clear.
Joaquin Ruhi
CIF
The chart clearly is sorted by displacement for the engines. Whether an engine has turbos or not is irrelevant to the chart. If the rumored engine ends up as a 2.5L, it makes zero sense for it to be listed as a separate engine on the chart. That would simply mean it's a turbo version of the A25A.

...Likewise a 2.0L turbo engine wouldn't make sense to be listed as a separate engine on the chart, because again that would simply be a turbo version of the M20A.

...Look at the chart carefully again. It confirms a total of 9 Dynamic Force engines, and 17 variants. A 2.5L turbo or new 2.0L turbo would be simply variants of already debuted Dynamic Force engines...

...A slightly reworked A25A or slightly reworked M20A will not be considered a new engine. The technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department make it clear that Dynamic Force fundamentally comprises a number of base engine architectures (9 engines) and a number of variants stemming from those base architectures (17 variants). To save resources, all Dynamic Force engines use a common basic engine architecture philosophy but then each engine architecture gets a number of changes based on need. From there variants like turbocharged versions stem out. If a major reworking of the A25A or M20A includes a displacement change, well yes then that would be considered a different engine under the Dynamic Force family.

This would be like saying the 2GR-FKS should be named under a different engine family than the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE. These variants have a number of moderate changes inside of them, yet they are not major enough to be called a different engine family, they are all part of the same engine family.
I wholeheartedly, 100% agree with this. VERY well said.


CIF
If it's a 2.4L turbo, then that would be a separate engine from the A25A...

Only a 2.4L turbo would be considered as a separate engine, since no 2.4L Dynamic Force engine has debuted.
Here, on the other hand, I might beg to differ. It so happens that the M20A, A25A and V35A Dynamic Force engines have, thus far, only been released in a single displacement. But what if the rumored 2.4-liter turbo is nothing more than a boosted version of the A25A with thicker cylinder liners (to better withstand the added pressures of turbocharging) that effectively reduce its displacement to 2.4-liters? Wouldn't it still be part of the AxxA engine family?

This happened with the 2nd-gen Audi A6, whose 2.8-liter naturally aspirated V6 was downsized slightly to a 2.7 when turbocharged.

CIF
I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
TheNerdyPotato
It could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
I agree that a replacement for the ancient TR truck engine family (current offered in 1TR-FE 2-liter and 2TR-FE 2.7-liter guises) in most of Toyota's body-on-frame models worldwide is the likeliest engine to slot between the A25A and V35A engines.

As to the 2 yet-to-be-released engines above the V35A, I just don't see 2 separate V6 or V8 engine families. Currently, pre-Dynamic Force V6s are down to a single GR engine family (in displacements from 2.5 to 4 liters) and V8s to a single UR family (in displacements from 4.6 to 5.7 liters). My best guess for the two slots above the V35A V6 is a new Dynamic Force V8 family to replace UR and a Dynamic Force Diesel to replace the 1VD-FTV 4.5-liter diesel V8 in a number of Land Cruisers and Lexus LXs.

Yes, I know that Toyota is discontinuing the diesel option for its cars and crossovers, but there appears to be a need for a large diesel option for body-on-frame vehicles. Notably, the official TNGA/Dynamic Force Toyota news releases and documents (like CIF, I've read them all) are silent on the subject of a potential Dynamic Force diesel.
Joaquin Ruhi
CIF
The chart clearly is sorted by displacement for the engines. Whether an engine has turbos or not is irrelevant to the chart. If the rumored engine ends up as a 2.5L, it makes zero sense for it to be listed as a separate engine on the chart. That would simply mean it's a turbo version of the A25A.

...Likewise a 2.0L turbo engine wouldn't make sense to be listed as a separate engine on the chart, because again that would simply be a turbo version of the M20A.

...Look at the chart carefully again. It confirms a total of 9 Dynamic Force engines, and 17 variants. A 2.5L turbo or new 2.0L turbo would be simply variants of already debuted Dynamic Force engines...

...A slightly reworked A25A or slightly reworked M20A will not be considered a new engine. The technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department make it clear that Dynamic Force fundamentally comprises a number of base engine architectures (9 engines) and a number of variants stemming from those base architectures (17 variants). To save resources, all Dynamic Force engines use a common basic engine architecture philosophy but then each engine architecture gets a number of changes based on need. From there variants like turbocharged versions stem out. If a major reworking of the A25A or M20A includes a displacement change, well yes then that would be considered a different engine under the Dynamic Force family.

This would be like saying the 2GR-FKS should be named under a different engine family than the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE. These variants have a number of moderate changes inside of them, yet they are not major enough to be called a different engine family, they are all part of the same engine family.
I wholeheartedly, 100% agree with this. VERY well said.


CIF
If it's a 2.4L turbo, then that would be a separate engine from the A25A...

Only a 2.4L turbo would be considered as a separate engine, since no 2.4L Dynamic Force engine has debuted.
Here, on the other hand, I might beg to differ. It so happens that the M20A, A25A and V35A Dynamic Force engines have, thus far, only been released in a single displacement. But what if the rumored 2.4-liter turbo is nothing more than a boosted version of the A25A with thicker cylinder liners (to better withstand the added pressures of turbocharging) that effectively reduce its displacement to 2.4-liters? Wouldn't it still be part of the AxxA engine family?

This happened with the 2nd-gen Audi A6, whose 2.8-liter naturally aspirated V6 was downsized slightly to a 2.7 when turbocharged.

CIF
I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
TheNerdyPotato
It could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
I agree that a replacement for the ancient TR truck engine family (current offered in 1TR-FE 2-liter and 2TR-FE 2.7-liter guises) in most of Toyota's body-on-frame models worldwide is the likeliest engine to slot between the A25A and V35A engines.

As to the 2 yet-to-be-released engines above the V35A, I just don't see 2 separate V6 or V8 engine families. Currently, pre-Dynamic Force V6s are down to a single GR engine family (in displacements from 2.5 to 4 liters) and V8s to a single UR family (in displacements from 4.6 to 5.7 liters). My best guess for the two slots above the V35A V6 is a new Dynamic Force V8 family to replace UR and a Dynamic Force Diesel to replace the 1VD-FTV 4.5-liter diesel V8 in a number of Land Cruisers and Lexus LXs.

Yes, I know that Toyota is discontinuing the diesel option for its cars and crossovers, but there appears to be a need for a large diesel option for body-on-frame vehicles. Notably, the official TNGA/Dynamic Force Toyota news releases and documents (like CIF, I've read them all) are silent on the subject of a potential Dynamic Force diesel.
Joaquin Ruhi
CIF
The chart clearly is sorted by displacement for the engines. Whether an engine has turbos or not is irrelevant to the chart. If the rumored engine ends up as a 2.5L, it makes zero sense for it to be listed as a separate engine on the chart. That would simply mean it's a turbo version of the A25A.

...Likewise a 2.0L turbo engine wouldn't make sense to be listed as a separate engine on the chart, because again that would simply be a turbo version of the M20A.

...Look at the chart carefully again. It confirms a total of 9 Dynamic Force engines, and 17 variants. A 2.5L turbo or new 2.0L turbo would be simply variants of already debuted Dynamic Force engines...

...A slightly reworked A25A or slightly reworked M20A will not be considered a new engine. The technical documents from Toyota's powertrain department make it clear that Dynamic Force fundamentally comprises a number of base engine architectures (9 engines) and a number of variants stemming from those base architectures (17 variants). To save resources, all Dynamic Force engines use a common basic engine architecture philosophy but then each engine architecture gets a number of changes based on need. From there variants like turbocharged versions stem out. If a major reworking of the A25A or M20A includes a displacement change, well yes then that would be considered a different engine under the Dynamic Force family.

This would be like saying the 2GR-FKS should be named under a different engine family than the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE. These variants have a number of moderate changes inside of them, yet they are not major enough to be called a different engine family, they are all part of the same engine family.
I wholeheartedly, 100% agree with this. VERY well said.


CIF
If it's a 2.4L turbo, then that would be a separate engine from the A25A...

Only a 2.4L turbo would be considered as a separate engine, since no 2.4L Dynamic Force engine has debuted.
Here, on the other hand, I might beg to differ. It so happens that the M20A, A25A and V35A Dynamic Force engines have, thus far, only been released in a single displacement. But what if the rumored 2.4-liter turbo is nothing more than a boosted version of the A25A with thicker cylinder liners (to better withstand the added pressures of turbocharging) that effectively reduce its displacement to 2.4-liters? Wouldn't it still be part of the AxxA engine family?

This happened with the 2nd-gen Audi A6, whose 2.8-liter naturally aspirated V6 was downsized slightly to a 2.7 when turbocharged.

CIF
I was talking about the other mystery engine on the chart between the A25A and V35A that is bigger in displacement that the A25A.
TheNerdyPotato
It could be a new NA 2.7 4cyl for the Tacoma. That thing is about as outdated as the 1UR in the Tundra.
I agree that a replacement for the ancient TR truck engine family (current offered in 1TR-FE 2-liter and 2TR-FE 2.7-liter guises) in most of Toyota's body-on-frame models worldwide is the likeliest engine to slot between the A25A and V35A engines.

As to the 2 yet-to-be-released engines above the V35A, I just don't see 2 separate V6 or V8 engine families. Currently, pre-Dynamic Force V6s are down to a single GR engine family (in displacements from 2.5 to 4 liters) and V8s to a single UR family (in displacements from 4.6 to 5.7 liters). My best guess for the two slots above the V35A V6 is a new Dynamic Force V8 family to replace UR and a Dynamic Force Diesel to replace the 1VD-FTV 4.5-liter diesel V8 in a number of Land Cruisers and Lexus LXs.

Yes, I know that Toyota is discontinuing the diesel option for its cars and crossovers, but there appears to be a need for a large diesel option for body-on-frame vehicles. Notably, the official TNGA/Dynamic Force Toyota news releases and documents (like CIF, I've read them all) are silent on the subject of a potential Dynamic Force diesel.
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spwolf
Toyota has released some info to the media in Ireland...
- 2019 Corolla will have 1.6l petrol engine for Europe, together with hybrid from Prius of course. This is first time I have heard of 1.6l in TNGA vehicles, so it is likely to be all new?
- New hybrid vehicle unveil on September 3rd for Europe. Toyota France announced new factory expansion for next-gen Yaris and new model. I assume it is smaller than C-HR SUV, based on next gen Yaris platform. It might also introduce new smaller hybrid system as well as that new 1.6l?
Where did you find this sweet info? I'm searching high and low but still can't find anything.

Edit : Is the 1.6l for this Euro-spec Corolla naturally aspirated or turbocharged? No offence but I'm just too curious. :D

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