Lexus August 2018 Sales Report

Levi

One thing you are missing is the a powerful diesel engine (V6 or V8). No way Toyota will sell any new Land Cruiser without diesel in the rest of the world, unless they have a Land Cruiser Hybrid.

This chart was for last 18 months, ending with 2018 year if I remember correctly... so it is until indefinite period, it is for engines and tech revealed until end of 2018.

So diesels for Land Cruiser 200 are not going to be there. Even though they sell it only in few countries in the world, I wonder if there will be big diesel for Land Cruiser 200 coming ever, they might just get a BMW diesel for it since markets where LC 200 sells is not markets where diesel is big.

Levi

One thing you are missing is the a powerful diesel engine (V6 or V8). No way Toyota will sell any new Land Cruiser without diesel in the rest of the world, unless they have a Land Cruiser Hybrid.

This chart was for last 18 months, ending with 2018 year if I remember correctly... so it is until indefinite period, it is for engines and tech revealed until end of 2018.

So diesels for Land Cruiser 200 are not going to be there. Even though they sell it only in few countries in the world, I wonder if there will be big diesel for Land Cruiser 200 coming ever, they might just get a BMW diesel for it since markets where LC 200 sells is not markets where diesel is big.

Believe it or not, from what I heard last year, Toyota has a very rich diesel powertrain lineup in the works with a multi-model strategy. However, not sure if that was canned with the VW scandal.

Believe it or not, from what I heard last year, Toyota has a very rich diesel powertrain lineup in the works with a multi-model strategy. However, not sure if that was canned with the VW scandal.

Believe it or not, from what I heard last year, Toyota has a very rich diesel powertrain lineup in the works with a multi-model strategy. However, not sure if that was canned with the VW scandal.

Gecko

Believe it or not, from what I heard last year, Toyota has a very rich diesel powertrain lineup in the works with a multi-model strategy. However, not sure if that was canned with the VW scandal.

Not so sure if that was ever the case really. They did introduce their 4cly truck diesels, which sell excellently in many countries around the world. But they dont have volume for V6 or V8 diesels, not without Lexus in EU, which wont be getting them anyway.

EU rules on emissions that are coming were always strict, and I am not sure that Toyota was ever ready to cheat like VW and now MB already did.

Now between Isuzu, Suzuki, Mazda and Toyota brands (all partially owned by Toyota these days), they really could have done something to integrate future diesel developments, but I think that just changed into future hybrid/plugin/EV strategy.

Gecko

Believe it or not, from what I heard last year, Toyota has a very rich diesel powertrain lineup in the works with a multi-model strategy. However, not sure if that was canned with the VW scandal.

Not so sure if that was ever the case really. They did introduce their 4cly truck diesels, which sell excellently in many countries around the world. But they dont have volume for V6 or V8 diesels, not without Lexus in EU, which wont be getting them anyway.

EU rules on emissions that are coming were always strict, and I am not sure that Toyota was ever ready to cheat like VW and now MB already did.

Now between Isuzu, Suzuki, Mazda and Toyota brands (all partially owned by Toyota these days), they really could have done something to integrate future diesel developments, but I think that just changed into future hybrid/plugin/EV strategy.

Gecko

Believe it or not, from what I heard last year, Toyota has a very rich diesel powertrain lineup in the works with a multi-model strategy. However, not sure if that was canned with the VW scandal.

Not so sure if that was ever the case really. They did introduce their 4cly truck diesels, which sell excellently in many countries around the world. But they dont have volume for V6 or V8 diesels, not without Lexus in EU, which wont be getting them anyway.

EU rules on emissions that are coming were always strict, and I am not sure that Toyota was ever ready to cheat like VW and now MB already did.

Now between Isuzu, Suzuki, Mazda and Toyota brands (all partially owned by Toyota these days), they really could have done something to integrate future diesel developments, but I think that just changed into future hybrid/plugin/EV strategy.

I think the program was canned when Toyoda decided that it did not make sense and they turned into getting BMW diesels for Europe. Prior to that, there were rumors that Isuzu had a range of small diesels for Toyota, which would make sense since they already developed small diesels for GM prior to that.

But it seems that canning it was a really good choice back then, since these days a lot of Toyota distributors in EU are going diesel free with exception on big trucks... so new Auris will likely not have a diesel at all.

I think the program was canned when Toyoda decided that it did not make sense and they turned into getting BMW diesels for Europe. Prior to that, there were rumors that Isuzu had a range of small diesels for Toyota, which would make sense since they already developed small diesels for GM prior to that.

But it seems that canning it was a really good choice back then, since these days a lot of Toyota distributors in EU are going diesel free with exception on big trucks... so new Auris will likely not have a diesel at all.

I think the program was canned when Toyoda decided that it did not make sense and they turned into getting BMW diesels for Europe. Prior to that, there were rumors that Isuzu had a range of small diesels for Toyota, which would make sense since they already developed small diesels for GM prior to that.

But it seems that canning it was a really good choice back then, since these days a lot of Toyota distributors in EU are going diesel free with exception on big trucks... so new Auris will likely not have a diesel at all.

spwolf

Not so sure if that was ever the case really.

What I am telling you is that it was the case - they had diesel options for Tundra, Tacoma/4Runner as well as passenger cars with running prototypes in North America. Just not sure if that whole program was scrapped when the VW scandal broke (+ major push for electrification) because I haven't heard anything about it in 8 months or so.

I assume that no diesels in EU makes sense, and if they're going that route, they may have pulled the program for diesels here as well.

spwolf

Not so sure if that was ever the case really.

What I am telling you is that it was the case - they had diesel options for Tundra, Tacoma/4Runner as well as passenger cars with running prototypes in North America. Just not sure if that whole program was scrapped when the VW scandal broke (+ major push for electrification) because I haven't heard anything about it in 8 months or so.

I assume that no diesels in EU makes sense, and if they're going that route, they may have pulled the program for diesels here as well.

spwolf

Not so sure if that was ever the case really.

What I am telling you is that it was the case - they had diesel options for Tundra, Tacoma/4Runner as well as passenger cars with running prototypes in North America. Just not sure if that whole program was scrapped when the VW scandal broke (+ major push for electrification) because I haven't heard anything about it in 8 months or so.

I assume that no diesels in EU makes sense, and if they're going that route, they may have pulled the program for diesels here as well.

Gecko

What I am telling you is that it was the case - they had diesel options for Tundra, Tacoma/4Runner as well as passenger cars with running prototypes in North America. Just not sure if that whole program was scrapped when the VW scandal broke (+ major push for electrification) because I haven't heard anything about it in 8 months or so.

I assume that no diesels in EU makes sense, and if they're going that route, they may have pulled the program for diesels here as well.

Yes, but keep in mind that their sales of diesels in Europe at one point were likely close or more than 400,000 per year! So their main development for diesel would be EU (Russia and Middle-East barely sells any diesels, this is what they call EMEA region and how Toyota works - Europe, Russia and Middle East), and if they scrapped it in EU in 2010 or so, when they decided to go full hybrid and BMW diesels for some small diesel sales, then it likely scrapped the program for passenger diesels in USA too?

But maybe the case was that they would do their new 4cly truck diesels in Tacoma, which certainly made sense, since it is world engine, designed to pass all emissions everywhere (and will pass most stringent EU emissions that are coming in 2020) and that they simply decided to not do it due to VW fallout? These engines were introduced in 2016 so they are not on the chart, but are definitely considered as next-gen by Toyota. For Tundra, they could have turned to Isuzu, since Isuzu has a long history of doing GM truck diesels.

Gecko

What I am telling you is that it was the case - they had diesel options for Tundra, Tacoma/4Runner as well as passenger cars with running prototypes in North America. Just not sure if that whole program was scrapped when the VW scandal broke (+ major push for electrification) because I haven't heard anything about it in 8 months or so.

I assume that no diesels in EU makes sense, and if they're going that route, they may have pulled the program for diesels here as well.

Yes, but keep in mind that their sales of diesels in Europe at one point were likely close or more than 400,000 per year! So their main development for diesel would be EU (Russia and Middle-East barely sells any diesels, this is what they call EMEA region and how Toyota works - Europe, Russia and Middle East), and if they scrapped it in EU in 2010 or so, when they decided to go full hybrid and BMW diesels for some small diesel sales, then it likely scrapped the program for passenger diesels in USA too?

But maybe the case was that they would do their new 4cly truck diesels in Tacoma, which certainly made sense, since it is world engine, designed to pass all emissions everywhere (and will pass most stringent EU emissions that are coming in 2020) and that they simply decided to not do it due to VW fallout? These engines were introduced in 2016 so they are not on the chart, but are definitely considered as next-gen by Toyota. For Tundra, they could have turned to Isuzu, since Isuzu has a long history of doing GM truck diesels.

Gecko

What I am telling you is that it was the case - they had diesel options for Tundra, Tacoma/4Runner as well as passenger cars with running prototypes in North America. Just not sure if that whole program was scrapped when the VW scandal broke (+ major push for electrification) because I haven't heard anything about it in 8 months or so.

I assume that no diesels in EU makes sense, and if they're going that route, they may have pulled the program for diesels here as well.

Yes, but keep in mind that their sales of diesels in Europe at one point were likely close or more than 400,000 per year! So their main development for diesel would be EU (Russia and Middle-East barely sells any diesels, this is what they call EMEA region and how Toyota works - Europe, Russia and Middle East), and if they scrapped it in EU in 2010 or so, when they decided to go full hybrid and BMW diesels for some small diesel sales, then it likely scrapped the program for passenger diesels in USA too?

But maybe the case was that they would do their new 4cly truck diesels in Tacoma, which certainly made sense, since it is world engine, designed to pass all emissions everywhere (and will pass most stringent EU emissions that are coming in 2020) and that they simply decided to not do it due to VW fallout? These engines were introduced in 2016 so they are not on the chart, but are definitely considered as next-gen by Toyota. For Tundra, they could have turned to Isuzu, since Isuzu has a long history of doing GM truck diesels.

In Russia Land Cruiser and LX sell in Diesel mostly, and TMC sells a lot of them.

In Russia Land Cruiser and LX sell in Diesel mostly, and TMC sells a lot of them.

In Russia Land Cruiser and LX sell in Diesel mostly, and TMC sells a lot of them.

Levi

In Russia Land Cruiser and LX sell in Diesel mostly, and TMC sells a lot of them.

I was not aware that LC and LX sold that well in diesel from in Russia, since diesel and hybrid sales there are usually not big... Found this article where #1 and #2 diesel sellers in RU are Prado and 200 :). In Western Europe it is like Golf and Focus, or something like that.

https://eng.autostat.ru/news/view/13562/

Keep in mind thats still only 13k vehicles per year. Small number to produce brand new engine for.

Levi

In Russia Land Cruiser and LX sell in Diesel mostly, and TMC sells a lot of them.

I was not aware that LC and LX sold that well in diesel from in Russia, since diesel and hybrid sales there are usually not big... Found this article where #1 and #2 diesel sellers in RU are Prado and 200 :). In Western Europe it is like Golf and Focus, or something like that.

https://eng.autostat.ru/news/view/13562/

Keep in mind thats still only 13k vehicles per year. Small number to produce brand new engine for.

Levi

In Russia Land Cruiser and LX sell in Diesel mostly, and TMC sells a lot of them.

I was not aware that LC and LX sold that well in diesel from in Russia, since diesel and hybrid sales there are usually not big... Found this article where #1 and #2 diesel sellers in RU are Prado and 200 :). In Western Europe it is like Golf and Focus, or something like that.

https://eng.autostat.ru/news/view/13562/

Keep in mind thats still only 13k vehicles per year. Small number to produce brand new engine for.

Tech Talk: Toyota Develops New Continuously Variable Transmission for 2.0L Engines

World's first use of a launch gear in passenger vehicle CVT.

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Tech Talk: Toyota Develops New Continuously Variable Transmission for 2.0L Engines

World's first use of a launch gear in passenger vehicle CVT.

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Tech Talk: Toyota Develops New Continuously Variable Transmission for 2.0L Engines

World's first use of a launch gear in passenger vehicle CVT.

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Gecko

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What is the difference between the engine code starting with an "A" or a "V"? It seems to me that naturally aspirated engines start with A and turbocharged ones start with V, but we haven't seen enough models to know for sure. What do you think?

Sorry, I'm a little late to the party, but I just found this thread through Google. I believe that I understand the lettering.

A = Inline 4 cylinder engines. This coincides with many other 4cyls that Toyota has used in the past, including the 4A-GE, 2AZ-FE, 8AR-FTS, etc...

V = V6 engines. This would reference the old VZ series of engines found in many Toyota/Lexus models from the 1980s until the early-mid 2000s, including the 5VZ-FE 3.4l found in the first-generation Tundra.

If I had to place a wager, they'll use the letter U to represent V8 engines, similar to the 1UZ-FE and 2UR-GSE. For example, if they produce a 4.0l V8TT, it will likely have a designation of U40A-FTS/GTS, depending on the cylinder head flow characteristics.

If you've followed me this far, then you may be able to figure out why the entire automotive enthusiast community would be excited by an engine with a M30A-GTS designation ;)

Gecko

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What is the difference between the engine code starting with an "A" or a "V"? It seems to me that naturally aspirated engines start with A and turbocharged ones start with V, but we haven't seen enough models to know for sure. What do you think?

Sorry, I'm a little late to the party, but I just found this thread through Google. I believe that I understand the lettering.

A = Inline 4 cylinder engines. This coincides with many other 4cyls that Toyota has used in the past, including the 4A-GE, 2AZ-FE, 8AR-FTS, etc...

V = V6 engines. This would reference the old VZ series of engines found in many Toyota/Lexus models from the 1980s until the early-mid 2000s, including the 5VZ-FE 3.4l found in the first-generation Tundra.

If I had to place a wager, they'll use the letter U to represent V8 engines, similar to the 1UZ-FE and 2UR-GSE. For example, if they produce a 4.0l V8TT, it will likely have a designation of U40A-FTS/GTS, depending on the cylinder head flow characteristics.

If you've followed me this far, then you may be able to figure out why the entire automotive enthusiast community would be excited by an engine with a M30A-GTS designation ;)

Gecko

,


What is the difference between the engine code starting with an "A" or a "V"? It seems to me that naturally aspirated engines start with A and turbocharged ones start with V, but we haven't seen enough models to know for sure. What do you think?

Sorry, I'm a little late to the party, but I just found this thread through Google. I believe that I understand the lettering.

A = Inline 4 cylinder engines. This coincides with many other 4cyls that Toyota has used in the past, including the 4A-GE, 2AZ-FE, 8AR-FTS, etc...

V = V6 engines. This would reference the old VZ series of engines found in many Toyota/Lexus models from the 1980s until the early-mid 2000s, including the 5VZ-FE 3.4l found in the first-generation Tundra.

If I had to place a wager, they'll use the letter U to represent V8 engines, similar to the 1UZ-FE and 2UR-GSE. For example, if they produce a 4.0l V8TT, it will likely have a designation of U40A-FTS/GTS, depending on the cylinder head flow characteristics.

If you've followed me this far, then you may be able to figure out why the entire automotive enthusiast community would be excited by an engine with a M30A-GTS designation ;)

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