Lexus August 2018 Sales Report

Posted by Kevin on September 4th, 2018

USA

Lexus USA has reported 28,622 total sales for August 2018, a 7.1% decrease over last year — here’s the model-by-model breakdown:

MONTH Year to Date (*DSR)
2018 2017 % CHG* 2018 2017 % CHG*
CT 0 204 -100 4 4,572 -99.9
IS 2,231 2,445 -8.8 15,595 17,216 -9.9
RC 327 665 -50.8 2,335 4,286 -45.8
ES 4,686 6,404 -26.8 29,138 34,845 -16.8
GS 549 689 -20.3 4,707 4,894 -4.3
LS 923 413 123.5 6,004 2,670 123.8
LC 210 291 -28 1,392 1449 -4
LFA 0 0 0 2 1 99
Total Cars 8,926 11,111 -19.7 59,177 69,933 -15.8
NX 5,644 5,517 2.3 38,969 36,946 5.0
RX 10,875 10,391 4.7 70,706 66,760 5.4
GX 2,773 3336 -16.9 16,817 16,308 2.6
LX 404 446 -9.4 3,356 3,516 -5.0
Total Trucks 19,696 19,690 0.0 129,848 123,530 4.6
Total Sales 28,622 30,801 -7.1 189,025 193,463 -2.8

Please note, all percentages are calculated by the Daily Sales Rate (DSR), which takes into account the number of days in the month that dealerships could sell cars. August 2018 had 27 selling days, August 2017 had 27 selling days.

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ssun30
A detuned V35A-FTS gets the job done, mirroring what Ford does with the 3.5 EcoBoost. Less specific power means less boost, less lag, and less stress: sounds like a fine idea.
i dont think it will be detuned... whole point of new powertrains is less variations for improved production/R&D efficiency that make more expensive engines go into cheaper cars. This is why new LC300 info points out that it will have 422hp V35A-FTS.

Or why there is no place for detuned V35A-FTS on the new powertrain chart from TMC.

What is there not to like?
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ssun30
A detuned V35A-FTS gets the job done, mirroring what Ford does with the 3.5 EcoBoost. Less specific power means less boost, less lag, and less stress: sounds like a fine idea.
i dont think it will be detuned... whole point of new powertrains is less variations for improved production/R&D efficiency that make more expensive engines go into cheaper cars. This is why new LC300 info points out that it will have 422hp V35A-FTS.

Or why there is no place for detuned V35A-FTS on the new powertrain chart from TMC.

What is there not to like?
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Gecko
One con to being late to forced induction: Everyone else is already 3-4 generations ahead while Lexus is just rolling into it's second generation. I had really high hopes for the V35A-FTS but as you note, it is merely adequate in the real world and feels/behaves much like a V6. It's no V8 replacement.
lets be realistic, TMC is not 3-4 generations late, what does that even mean - 20 years, 30? And V35A-FTS compares well to its peers in pretty heavy vehicle. Only comparo that it had was in MT and it got better mpg and comparable acceleration numbers in heavier vehicle.

As to the hybrid, it is a cost issue. These expensive hybrids barely sell as it is, it is not going to be better to make them even more expensive.
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Gecko
One con to being late to forced induction: Everyone else is already 3-4 generations ahead while Lexus is just rolling into it's second generation. I had really high hopes for the V35A-FTS but as you note, it is merely adequate in the real world and feels/behaves much like a V6. It's no V8 replacement.
lets be realistic, TMC is not 3-4 generations late, what does that even mean - 20 years, 30? And V35A-FTS compares well to its peers in pretty heavy vehicle. Only comparo that it had was in MT and it got better mpg and comparable acceleration numbers in heavier vehicle.

As to the hybrid, it is a cost issue. These expensive hybrids barely sell as it is, it is not going to be better to make them even more expensive.
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Gecko
One con to being late to forced induction: Everyone else is already 3-4 generations ahead while Lexus is just rolling into it's second generation. I had really high hopes for the V35A-FTS but as you note, it is merely adequate in the real world and feels/behaves much like a V6. It's no V8 replacement.
lets be realistic, TMC is not 3-4 generations late, what does that even mean - 20 years, 30? And V35A-FTS compares well to its peers in pretty heavy vehicle. Only comparo that it had was in MT and it got better mpg and comparable acceleration numbers in heavier vehicle.

As to the hybrid, it is a cost issue. These expensive hybrids barely sell as it is, it is not going to be better to make them even more expensive.
Gecko
spwolf
lets be realistic, TMC is not 3-4 generations late, what does that even mean - 20 years, 30? And V35A-FTS compares well to its peers in pretty heavy vehicle. Only comparo that it had was in MT and it got better mpg and comparable acceleration numbers in heavier vehicle.

As to the hybrid, it is a cost issue. These expensive hybrids barely sell as it is, it is not going to be better to make them even more expensive.
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
Gecko
spwolf
lets be realistic, TMC is not 3-4 generations late, what does that even mean - 20 years, 30? And V35A-FTS compares well to its peers in pretty heavy vehicle. Only comparo that it had was in MT and it got better mpg and comparable acceleration numbers in heavier vehicle.

As to the hybrid, it is a cost issue. These expensive hybrids barely sell as it is, it is not going to be better to make them even more expensive.
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
Gecko
spwolf
lets be realistic, TMC is not 3-4 generations late, what does that even mean - 20 years, 30? And V35A-FTS compares well to its peers in pretty heavy vehicle. Only comparo that it had was in MT and it got better mpg and comparable acceleration numbers in heavier vehicle.

As to the hybrid, it is a cost issue. These expensive hybrids barely sell as it is, it is not going to be better to make them even more expensive.
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
S
Has anyone here wondered where the future holds for Valvematic? IMO it's the most sophisticated valvetrain technology TMC has been developing. And I was surprised it was not part of the Dynamic Force package at launch. The 3ZR-FAE got the same 36% efficiency and 160hp as the 6AR-FSE, despite the latter having the luxury of D-4S and Miller Cycle operation.

Continuous VVL is a very strong tool to improve performance and efficiency, most importantly it allows NA engines to be very competitive against forced induction engines. Surely there's the extra cost, but it should still be cheaper than a turbo system.

It would be interesting to see the GR and UR getting a final tech upgrade with Valvematic. 100hp/L is definitely within reach since the two have a lot of revving potential, not to mention extra efficiency and improved torque curve. A 350hp 2GR and 500hp 2UR 'final edition' could be the last hurrah for natural aspiration. And the best part is that it can be done today. But alas Toyota is known for not bothering the effort no matter how trivial the effort is.
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Has anyone here wondered where the future holds for Valvematic? IMO it's the most sophisticated valvetrain technology TMC has been developing. And I was surprised it was not part of the Dynamic Force package at launch. The 3ZR-FAE got the same 36% efficiency and 160hp as the 6AR-FSE, despite the latter having the luxury of D-4S and Miller Cycle operation.

Continuous VVL is a very strong tool to improve performance and efficiency, most importantly it allows NA engines to be very competitive against forced induction engines. Surely there's the extra cost, but it should still be cheaper than a turbo system.

It would be interesting to see the GR and UR getting a final tech upgrade with Valvematic. 100hp/L is definitely within reach since the two have a lot of revving potential, not to mention extra efficiency and improved torque curve. A 350hp 2GR and 500hp 2UR 'final edition' could be the last hurrah for natural aspiration. And the best part is that it can be done today. But alas Toyota is known for not bothering the effort no matter how trivial the effort is.
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Has anyone here wondered where the future holds for Valvematic? IMO it's the most sophisticated valvetrain technology TMC has been developing. And I was surprised it was not part of the Dynamic Force package at launch. The 3ZR-FAE got the same 36% efficiency and 160hp as the 6AR-FSE, despite the latter having the luxury of D-4S and Miller Cycle operation.

Continuous VVL is a very strong tool to improve performance and efficiency, most importantly it allows NA engines to be very competitive against forced induction engines. Surely there's the extra cost, but it should still be cheaper than a turbo system.

It would be interesting to see the GR and UR getting a final tech upgrade with Valvematic. 100hp/L is definitely within reach since the two have a lot of revving potential, not to mention extra efficiency and improved torque curve. A 350hp 2GR and 500hp 2UR 'final edition' could be the last hurrah for natural aspiration. And the best part is that it can be done today. But alas Toyota is known for not bothering the effort no matter how trivial the effort is.
Gecko
^I could totally be wrong, but I remember hearing at one point aha D4S and Valvematic weren't compatible.
Gecko
^I could totally be wrong, but I remember hearing at one point aha D4S and Valvematic weren't compatible.
Gecko
^I could totally be wrong, but I remember hearing at one point aha D4S and Valvematic weren't compatible.
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Gecko
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
None of that changes the fact that V35A-FTS is very competitive with 6cly turbo engines, which is what it compares against, at similar price points.

Comparing it to V8 bi-turbos and mentioning how Audi has electric turbocharger or how germans did it since 2007, or how 2.0t is not competitive? What does that have to do with V35A-FTS ?

And how does 3-4 generations translate to 10 years of development, do you think they redesign their engines every 2.5 years?

V35A-FTS is great engine. Fact that TMC had ton of turbos in 90's or that did not have any in 2000's, means nothing to V35A-FTS.
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Gecko
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
None of that changes the fact that V35A-FTS is very competitive with 6cly turbo engines, which is what it compares against, at similar price points.

Comparing it to V8 bi-turbos and mentioning how Audi has electric turbocharger or how germans did it since 2007, or how 2.0t is not competitive? What does that have to do with V35A-FTS ?

And how does 3-4 generations translate to 10 years of development, do you think they redesign their engines every 2.5 years?

V35A-FTS is great engine. Fact that TMC had ton of turbos in 90's or that did not have any in 2000's, means nothing to V35A-FTS.
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Gecko
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
None of that changes the fact that V35A-FTS is very competitive with 6cly turbo engines, which is what it compares against, at similar price points.

Comparing it to V8 bi-turbos and mentioning how Audi has electric turbocharger or how germans did it since 2007, or how 2.0t is not competitive? What does that have to do with V35A-FTS ?

And how does 3-4 generations translate to 10 years of development, do you think they redesign their engines every 2.5 years?

V35A-FTS is great engine. Fact that TMC had ton of turbos in 90's or that did not have any in 2000's, means nothing to V35A-FTS.
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Gecko
^I could totally be wrong, but I remember hearing at one point aha D4S and Valvematic weren't compatible.
just issue of pricing it all together... not sure how much effect it has compared with VVT-iE new dynamic force engines have, but in the end, they all have same goal of improving the combustion. D4S is more important since it gives more power when needed - I have driven all of their Valvematic engines in the past, and as usual, they all needed more power.
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Gecko
^I could totally be wrong, but I remember hearing at one point aha D4S and Valvematic weren't compatible.
just issue of pricing it all together... not sure how much effect it has compared with VVT-iE new dynamic force engines have, but in the end, they all have same goal of improving the combustion. D4S is more important since it gives more power when needed - I have driven all of their Valvematic engines in the past, and as usual, they all needed more power.
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Gecko
^I could totally be wrong, but I remember hearing at one point aha D4S and Valvematic weren't compatible.
just issue of pricing it all together... not sure how much effect it has compared with VVT-iE new dynamic force engines have, but in the end, they all have same goal of improving the combustion. D4S is more important since it gives more power when needed - I have driven all of their Valvematic engines in the past, and as usual, they all needed more power.
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Gecko
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
No Toyota is not generations behind in the turbo game. They are on par with their turbo technology and and far ahead of anyone to do it reliably.
To be honest, they practically helped start the trend of adding turbos to everything. Think of Toyota in the early 90s, the used turbos everywhere for their sporty models, MR2 Celica, Supra, Soarer. And those cars were above and beyond capable in the turbo realm. While Toyota might have detuned them from the factory, they are some of the most competent and well built/ reliable turbo engines ever engineered. Toyota is later to the game on certain technologies because they are perfectionists who take their time to make sure it works and don’t want to introduce something that will be unreliable.
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Gecko
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
No Toyota is not generations behind in the turbo game. They are on par with their turbo technology and and far ahead of anyone to do it reliably.
To be honest, they practically helped start the trend of adding turbos to everything. Think of Toyota in the early 90s, the used turbos everywhere for their sporty models, MR2 Celica, Supra, Soarer. And those cars were above and beyond capable in the turbo realm. While Toyota might have detuned them from the factory, they are some of the most competent and well built/ reliable turbo engines ever engineered. Toyota is later to the game on certain technologies because they are perfectionists who take their time to make sure it works and don’t want to introduce something that will be unreliable.
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Gecko
Yes, let's be realistic indeed. BMW and Mercedes have been offering mainstream turbos (in North America) since 2007. Lexus joined the game in 2014 with the NX with a very underwhelming 2.0T. V35A-FTS is the only engine we've had since then with the new Dynamic Force family.

BMW and Mercedes have released multiple refreshes and redesigns of their turbocharged engines over just the last 5 years. Not to mention Audi who is now building an electric turbocharger.

I'd like to see V35A-FTS in a lighter application than LS 500 because it's hard to gauge what that engine is really capable of in a 5,000lb car. Also, the Motor Trend comparison did not include the 750i and omitted the S Class, when Lexus has stated that they see the V35A-FTS as competitive with "competitor's V8s." Having driven an S560 and a 750i a while ago, and having driven LS 500, I can say that Lexus' 3.5L TT V6 is simply not on par with either of them. Is it weight or is it the engine? Not sure - but it certainly doesn't feel like a V8 in terms of NVH.
No Toyota is not generations behind in the turbo game. They are on par with their turbo technology and and far ahead of anyone to do it reliably.
To be honest, they practically helped start the trend of adding turbos to everything. Think of Toyota in the early 90s, the used turbos everywhere for their sporty models, MR2 Celica, Supra, Soarer. And those cars were above and beyond capable in the turbo realm. While Toyota might have detuned them from the factory, they are some of the most competent and well built/ reliable turbo engines ever engineered. Toyota is later to the game on certain technologies because they are perfectionists who take their time to make sure it works and don’t want to introduce something that will be unreliable.
Gecko
spwolf
None of that changes the fact that V35A-FTS is very competitive with 6cly turbo engines, which is what it compares against, at similar price points.

Comparing it to V8 bi-turbos and mentioning how Audi has electric turbocharger or how germans did it since 2007, or how 2.0t is not competitive? What does that have to do with V35A-FTS ?

And how does 3-4 generations translate to 10 years of development, do you think they redesign their engines every 2.5 years?

V35A-FTS is great engine. Fact that TMC had ton of turbos in 90's or that did not have any in 2000's, means nothing to V35A-FTS.
This discussion started with Mike saying neither the 8AR-FTS nor V35A-FTS have really impressed him and how both feel "adequate." Then followed it up by saying there was a time when Lexus engines were truly impressive.

I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
Gecko
spwolf
None of that changes the fact that V35A-FTS is very competitive with 6cly turbo engines, which is what it compares against, at similar price points.

Comparing it to V8 bi-turbos and mentioning how Audi has electric turbocharger or how germans did it since 2007, or how 2.0t is not competitive? What does that have to do with V35A-FTS ?

And how does 3-4 generations translate to 10 years of development, do you think they redesign their engines every 2.5 years?

V35A-FTS is great engine. Fact that TMC had ton of turbos in 90's or that did not have any in 2000's, means nothing to V35A-FTS.
This discussion started with Mike saying neither the 8AR-FTS nor V35A-FTS have really impressed him and how both feel "adequate." Then followed it up by saying there was a time when Lexus engines were truly impressive.

I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
Gecko
spwolf
None of that changes the fact that V35A-FTS is very competitive with 6cly turbo engines, which is what it compares against, at similar price points.

Comparing it to V8 bi-turbos and mentioning how Audi has electric turbocharger or how germans did it since 2007, or how 2.0t is not competitive? What does that have to do with V35A-FTS ?

And how does 3-4 generations translate to 10 years of development, do you think they redesign their engines every 2.5 years?

V35A-FTS is great engine. Fact that TMC had ton of turbos in 90's or that did not have any in 2000's, means nothing to V35A-FTS.
This discussion started with Mike saying neither the 8AR-FTS nor V35A-FTS have really impressed him and how both feel "adequate." Then followed it up by saying there was a time when Lexus engines were truly impressive.

I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
S
Gecko
I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
The 3.5 V6 turbo is a downsize of naturally aspirated V8s between 4.6L and 5.0L. And it does the job of replacing the 4.6L very well, 5.0 not so much. It is not a downsize of 4.0 V8TTs, which are themselves downsize of V10 and V12 engines. So a comparison between the V35A-FTS and them is inappropriate.

On the other hand, a comparison with the 3.5 Ecoboost is probably the most fair.
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Gecko
I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
The 3.5 V6 turbo is a downsize of naturally aspirated V8s between 4.6L and 5.0L. And it does the job of replacing the 4.6L very well, 5.0 not so much. It is not a downsize of 4.0 V8TTs, which are themselves downsize of V10 and V12 engines. So a comparison between the V35A-FTS and them is inappropriate.

On the other hand, a comparison with the 3.5 Ecoboost is probably the most fair.
S
Gecko
I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
The 3.5 V6 turbo is a downsize of naturally aspirated V8s between 4.6L and 5.0L. And it does the job of replacing the 4.6L very well, 5.0 not so much. It is not a downsize of 4.0 V8TTs, which are themselves downsize of V10 and V12 engines. So a comparison between the V35A-FTS and them is inappropriate.

On the other hand, a comparison with the 3.5 Ecoboost is probably the most fair.
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Gecko
This discussion started with Mike saying neither the 8AR-FTS nor V35A-FTS have really impressed him and how both feel "adequate." Then followed it up by saying there was a time when Lexus engines were truly impressive.

I agreed with this and stated that Lexus is playing catch up with respect to turbocharging. Lexus touts V35A-FTS as a V8 replacement but you and I agree that it is not. So the point here is: Is V35A-FTS competitive with other turbo V6s? Yes, for sure. Is it a replacement for a V8? No. So based on Lexus' own claims of V35A-FTS being competitive with Mercedes' and BMW's turbo V8s, this engine is not particularly impressive.
The thing is, the V6TT can in theory be a V8 alternative, when the V8 is NA. But it should not be compared to the V8TT that is used in Merc and Audi. The only replacement for a big NA V8 is a smaller Twin Turbo V8. Which is what Mercedes has done.
The LS had a relatively small NA V8, so a TT v6 is an acceptable alternative.

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