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But the 2.4l V6 in the Toyota race car is a 90° V6, and Toyota never made 90° V6 engines in production cars. They always went for 60° angle.

Also, what about the engine above the 1GD (2.8 I4 Diesel) that replaces the 1KD (3.0 I4 Diesel)? What is going to replace the 1VD (4.5 V8 Diesel)? The Land Cruiser always had a bigger diesel than the Prado.

But the 2.4l V6 in the Toyota race car is a 90° V6, and Toyota never made 90° V6 engines in production cars. They always went for 60° angle.

Also, what about the engine above the 1GD (2.8 I4 Diesel) that replaces the 1KD (3.0 I4 Diesel)? What is going to replace the 1VD (4.5 V8 Diesel)? The Land Cruiser always had a bigger diesel than the Prado.

Levi

But the 2.4l V6 in the Toyota race car is a 90° V6, and Toyota never made 90° V6 engines in production cars. They always went for 60° angle.

Also, what about the engine above the 1GD (2.8 I4 Diesel) that replaces the 1KD (3.0 I4 Diesel)? What is going to replace the 1VD (4.5 V8 Diesel)? The Land Cruiser always had a bigger diesel than the Prado.

That is currently a huge question. I don't know if this TNGA diagram will even include any diesels. What we do know is that Toyota publicly stated months ago that they will cease all new development of passenger car diesel engines. As to what that means for any possible future truck or SUV diesel engines, Toyota didn't say. Commercial diesels will obviously continue through Hino.

Levi

But the 2.4l V6 in the Toyota race car is a 90° V6, and Toyota never made 90° V6 engines in production cars. They always went for 60° angle.

Also, what about the engine above the 1GD (2.8 I4 Diesel) that replaces the 1KD (3.0 I4 Diesel)? What is going to replace the 1VD (4.5 V8 Diesel)? The Land Cruiser always had a bigger diesel than the Prado.

That is currently a huge question. I don't know if this TNGA diagram will even include any diesels. What we do know is that Toyota publicly stated months ago that they will cease all new development of passenger car diesel engines. As to what that means for any possible future truck or SUV diesel engines, Toyota didn't say. Commercial diesels will obviously continue through Hino.

Levi

But the 2.4l V6 in the Toyota race car is a 90° V6, and Toyota never made 90° V6 engines in production cars. They always went for 60° angle.

Also, what about the engine above the 1GD (2.8 I4 Diesel) that replaces the 1KD (3.0 I4 Diesel)? What is going to replace the 1VD (4.5 V8 Diesel)? The Land Cruiser always had a bigger diesel than the Prado.

That is currently a huge question. I don't know if this TNGA diagram will even include any diesels. What we do know is that Toyota publicly stated months ago that they will cease all new development of passenger car diesel engines. As to what that means for any possible future truck or SUV diesel engines, Toyota didn't say. Commercial diesels will obviously continue through Hino.

CIF

That is currently a huge question. I don't know if this TNGA diagram will even include any diesels. What we do know is that Toyota publicly stated months ago that they will cease all new development of passenger car diesel engines. As to what that means for any possible future truck or SUV diesel engines, Toyota didn't say. Commercial diesels will obviously continue through Hino.

If BEVs or HFCEVs were a viable alternative, yes the Land Cruiser could be without diesel, but for the forseable future, it is not possible to have a Land Cruiser without diesel. Because the 1VD is EURO 4 compliant engine, sales were suspended in Western Europe. An updated new car, with a new diesel is very likely to have some sales. Land Cruiser buyers do no crossshop, unless they have no choice. My former boss that changed his LC200 quite regularly, now has his since quite some years with already a high mileage. He is not ready to change. He also has an LC40.

CIF

That is currently a huge question. I don't know if this TNGA diagram will even include any diesels. What we do know is that Toyota publicly stated months ago that they will cease all new development of passenger car diesel engines. As to what that means for any possible future truck or SUV diesel engines, Toyota didn't say. Commercial diesels will obviously continue through Hino.

If BEVs or HFCEVs were a viable alternative, yes the Land Cruiser could be without diesel, but for the forseable future, it is not possible to have a Land Cruiser without diesel. Because the 1VD is EURO 4 compliant engine, sales were suspended in Western Europe. An updated new car, with a new diesel is very likely to have some sales. Land Cruiser buyers do no crossshop, unless they have no choice. My former boss that changed his LC200 quite regularly, now has his since quite some years with already a high mileage. He is not ready to change. He also has an LC40.

CIF

That is currently a huge question. I don't know if this TNGA diagram will even include any diesels. What we do know is that Toyota publicly stated months ago that they will cease all new development of passenger car diesel engines. As to what that means for any possible future truck or SUV diesel engines, Toyota didn't say. Commercial diesels will obviously continue through Hino.

If BEVs or HFCEVs were a viable alternative, yes the Land Cruiser could be without diesel, but for the forseable future, it is not possible to have a Land Cruiser without diesel. Because the 1VD is EURO 4 compliant engine, sales were suspended in Western Europe. An updated new car, with a new diesel is very likely to have some sales. Land Cruiser buyers do no crossshop, unless they have no choice. My former boss that changed his LC200 quite regularly, now has his since quite some years with already a high mileage. He is not ready to change. He also has an LC40.

Levi

If BEVs or HFCEVs were a viable alternative, yes the Land Cruiser could be without diesel, but for the forseable future, it is not possible to have a Land Cruiser without diesel. Because the 1VD is EURO 4 compliant engine, sales were suspended in Western Europe. An updated new car, with a new diesel is very likely to have some sales. Land Cruiser buyers do no crossshop, unless they have no choice. My former boss that changed his LC200 quite regularly, now has his since quite some years with already a high mileage. He is not ready to change. He also has an LC40.

I agree with what you're saying, but we have no idea if this diagram includes diesel engines. We know for example the diagram does not include any pure EV or FCEV powertrains. For all we know Toyota may come out with a separate diesel or alternative powertrain diagram. Or, this diagram will in fact include diesel engines, and that would mean less gas engines than expected. We shall see I guess in the coming years.

Another aspect to consider is meeting current and future emissions targets is a key aspect of the TNGA Dynamic Force engines. Will Toyota be able to release a new non-commercial diesel engine design that meets current and future worldwide emissions standards? Hard to say.

Levi

If BEVs or HFCEVs were a viable alternative, yes the Land Cruiser could be without diesel, but for the forseable future, it is not possible to have a Land Cruiser without diesel. Because the 1VD is EURO 4 compliant engine, sales were suspended in Western Europe. An updated new car, with a new diesel is very likely to have some sales. Land Cruiser buyers do no crossshop, unless they have no choice. My former boss that changed his LC200 quite regularly, now has his since quite some years with already a high mileage. He is not ready to change. He also has an LC40.

I agree with what you're saying, but we have no idea if this diagram includes diesel engines. We know for example the diagram does not include any pure EV or FCEV powertrains. For all we know Toyota may come out with a separate diesel or alternative powertrain diagram. Or, this diagram will in fact include diesel engines, and that would mean less gas engines than expected. We shall see I guess in the coming years.

Another aspect to consider is meeting current and future emissions targets is a key aspect of the TNGA Dynamic Force engines. Will Toyota be able to release a new non-commercial diesel engine design that meets current and future worldwide emissions standards? Hard to say.

Levi

If BEVs or HFCEVs were a viable alternative, yes the Land Cruiser could be without diesel, but for the forseable future, it is not possible to have a Land Cruiser without diesel. Because the 1VD is EURO 4 compliant engine, sales were suspended in Western Europe. An updated new car, with a new diesel is very likely to have some sales. Land Cruiser buyers do no crossshop, unless they have no choice. My former boss that changed his LC200 quite regularly, now has his since quite some years with already a high mileage. He is not ready to change. He also has an LC40.

I agree with what you're saying, but we have no idea if this diagram includes diesel engines. We know for example the diagram does not include any pure EV or FCEV powertrains. For all we know Toyota may come out with a separate diesel or alternative powertrain diagram. Or, this diagram will in fact include diesel engines, and that would mean less gas engines than expected. We shall see I guess in the coming years.

Another aspect to consider is meeting current and future emissions targets is a key aspect of the TNGA Dynamic Force engines. Will Toyota be able to release a new non-commercial diesel engine design that meets current and future worldwide emissions standards? Hard to say.

Toyota planned to source diesel engines from BMW and they actually do use the WW which is a BMW design. But after the emissions scandal they might have second thoughts now about sourcing german diesels.
For smaller vehicles they could always source Skyactiv-D from Mazda. But the VD replacement is the tricky one. What the Land Cruiser needs is a large, understressed, low power density diesel, unlike the high power density 'modern' diesels everyone is making. The PowerStroke and DuraMax obviously won't work in Europe so Toyota can't really source from Ford or GM.
Actually, is there really a need for new diesel Land Cruiser? The V35A could increase the appeal of the gasoline LC in Europe. Everywhere else the good old VDs just work.

Toyota planned to source diesel engines from BMW and they actually do use the WW which is a BMW design. But after the emissions scandal they might have second thoughts now about sourcing german diesels.
For smaller vehicles they could always source Skyactiv-D from Mazda. But the VD replacement is the tricky one. What the Land Cruiser needs is a large, understressed, low power density diesel, unlike the high power density 'modern' diesels everyone is making. The PowerStroke and DuraMax obviously won't work in Europe so Toyota can't really source from Ford or GM.
Actually, is there really a need for new diesel Land Cruiser? The V35A could increase the appeal of the gasoline LC in Europe. Everywhere else the good old VDs just work.

Toyota planned to source diesel engines from BMW and they actually do use the WW which is a BMW design. But after the emissions scandal they might have second thoughts now about sourcing german diesels.
For smaller vehicles they could always source Skyactiv-D from Mazda. But the VD replacement is the tricky one. What the Land Cruiser needs is a large, understressed, low power density diesel, unlike the high power density 'modern' diesels everyone is making. The PowerStroke and DuraMax obviously won't work in Europe so Toyota can't really source from Ford or GM.
Actually, is there really a need for new diesel Land Cruiser? The V35A could increase the appeal of the gasoline LC in Europe. Everywhere else the good old VDs just work.

2 x 2AD = 1VD

That is how it was made. Without passenger diesels anymore, there is nothing that can be sahred, except the commercial 1GD. Suppose that engine is strong enough to be lengthened to an I6, it would result in a 4.2l I6 making about 270 PS and 630 Nm, slightly less than that 1VD.

What is the LC300 going to target? Luxury SUVs or Heavy Duty SUVs? Toyota Gibraltar sells mostly base spec Toyotas for NGOs and GOs in developing countries. Would a V35A-FXS be a viable single choice alternative?

I know it is slightly off-topic to discuss about the LC, but from a powertrain view, overall there is nothing 'special' so to say, I mean we know TMC makes good powertrains for their purpose (commuting). Where to overall interest is on this forum, voiced by our vocal member @Rhambler, is V35A applications and above. The 1VD sells very much worldwide and cannot be neglected from a business perspective. The LC200 on its 12 years life-cycle, so will the 1VD, including its 6 speed auto and 5 speed manual, which are very outdated. There is little doubt the Tundra/Sequoia/LX/LC will get a turbocharged V6. But in countries such as Central and Eastern Europe, where Lexus even sells an LX 450d, it just is not possible there will be no new big diesel.

Could TMC source Cummins' 2.8l I4 and 5.0l V8? That is what the Titan has, and the Frontier has as concept. The Nissan Armada/Infiniti QX80 faces the same situation.

2 x 2AD = 1VD

That is how it was made. Without passenger diesels anymore, there is nothing that can be sahred, except the commercial 1GD. Suppose that engine is strong enough to be lengthened to an I6, it would result in a 4.2l I6 making about 270 PS and 630 Nm, slightly less than that 1VD.

What is the LC300 going to target? Luxury SUVs or Heavy Duty SUVs? Toyota Gibraltar sells mostly base spec Toyotas for NGOs and GOs in developing countries. Would a V35A-FXS be a viable single choice alternative?

I know it is slightly off-topic to discuss about the LC, but from a powertrain view, overall there is nothing 'special' so to say, I mean we know TMC makes good powertrains for their purpose (commuting). Where to overall interest is on this forum, voiced by our vocal member @Rhambler, is V35A applications and above. The 1VD sells very much worldwide and cannot be neglected from a business perspective. The LC200 on its 12 years life-cycle, so will the 1VD, including its 6 speed auto and 5 speed manual, which are very outdated. There is little doubt the Tundra/Sequoia/LX/LC will get a turbocharged V6. But in countries such as Central and Eastern Europe, where Lexus even sells an LX 450d, it just is not possible there will be no new big diesel.

Could TMC source Cummins' 2.8l I4 and 5.0l V8? That is what the Titan has, and the Frontier has as concept. The Nissan Armada/Infiniti QX80 faces the same situation.

2 x 2AD = 1VD

That is how it was made. Without passenger diesels anymore, there is nothing that can be sahred, except the commercial 1GD. Suppose that engine is strong enough to be lengthened to an I6, it would result in a 4.2l I6 making about 270 PS and 630 Nm, slightly less than that 1VD.

What is the LC300 going to target? Luxury SUVs or Heavy Duty SUVs? Toyota Gibraltar sells mostly base spec Toyotas for NGOs and GOs in developing countries. Would a V35A-FXS be a viable single choice alternative?

I know it is slightly off-topic to discuss about the LC, but from a powertrain view, overall there is nothing 'special' so to say, I mean we know TMC makes good powertrains for their purpose (commuting). Where to overall interest is on this forum, voiced by our vocal member @Rhambler, is V35A applications and above. The 1VD sells very much worldwide and cannot be neglected from a business perspective. The LC200 on its 12 years life-cycle, so will the 1VD, including its 6 speed auto and 5 speed manual, which are very outdated. There is little doubt the Tundra/Sequoia/LX/LC will get a turbocharged V6. But in countries such as Central and Eastern Europe, where Lexus even sells an LX 450d, it just is not possible there will be no new big diesel.

Could TMC source Cummins' 2.8l I4 and 5.0l V8? That is what the Titan has, and the Frontier has as concept. The Nissan Armada/Infiniti QX80 faces the same situation.

Levi

What is the LC300 going to target? Luxury SUVs or Heavy Duty SUVs? Toyota Gibraltar sells mostly base spec Toyotas for NGOs and GOs in developing countries. Would a V35A-FXS be a viable single choice alternative?

For developing countries they will use the 1GR-FE. They need an old and reliable engine for these markets where parts supply is abundant and serviceability is more important than efficiency or emissions. The 1GR has already replaced the FZ Inline-6 on the LC70. It is their new workhorse engine along with the 1VD. The old 1FZ petrol and 1HZ diesel have been in service for over 20 years now, I expect the same for the 1GR and 1VD.

My overall point is that the LC300 could carry over the 1GR and 1VD for developing countries. And the V35A-FTS plus whatever V8 they are planning for the rest of the world. Unless they could not improve the 1VD to pass emissions I don't see a true need for a new diesel engine. And if there is a new one they will source from others.

Another possibility is the LC300 going all 'civilized' and stop caring about compatibility with developing regions, i.e. going in the Range Rover's direction (which is something they should have done ten years ago). The need to both be a troop transport and a luxury cruiser is what made the LC200 unnecessarily over-engineered. The LC150 Prado could be modified into the successor to the LC70 (replacing IFS with solid axle) and keep fulfilling the demand of armed forces and NGOs in developing regions.

P.S. For next year's Dakar Rally Toyota South Africa will replace the 2UR with a 3.5 turbo. While we don't know what this engine actually is, there is a high possibility of it being the V35A. This should be a hint that the V35A will be certified for operations in utility vehicles.

Levi

What is the LC300 going to target? Luxury SUVs or Heavy Duty SUVs? Toyota Gibraltar sells mostly base spec Toyotas for NGOs and GOs in developing countries. Would a V35A-FXS be a viable single choice alternative?

For developing countries they will use the 1GR-FE. They need an old and reliable engine for these markets where parts supply is abundant and serviceability is more important than efficiency or emissions. The 1GR has already replaced the FZ Inline-6 on the LC70. It is their new workhorse engine along with the 1VD. The old 1FZ petrol and 1HZ diesel have been in service for over 20 years now, I expect the same for the 1GR and 1VD.

My overall point is that the LC300 could carry over the 1GR and 1VD for developing countries. And the V35A-FTS plus whatever V8 they are planning for the rest of the world. Unless they could not improve the 1VD to pass emissions I don't see a true need for a new diesel engine. And if there is a new one they will source from others.

Another possibility is the LC300 going all 'civilized' and stop caring about compatibility with developing regions, i.e. going in the Range Rover's direction (which is something they should have done ten years ago). The need to both be a troop transport and a luxury cruiser is what made the LC200 unnecessarily over-engineered. The LC150 Prado could be modified into the successor to the LC70 (replacing IFS with solid axle) and keep fulfilling the demand of armed forces and NGOs in developing regions.

P.S. For next year's Dakar Rally Toyota South Africa will replace the 2UR with a 3.5 turbo. While we don't know what this engine actually is, there is a high possibility of it being the V35A. This should be a hint that the V35A will be certified for operations in utility vehicles.

Levi

What is the LC300 going to target? Luxury SUVs or Heavy Duty SUVs? Toyota Gibraltar sells mostly base spec Toyotas for NGOs and GOs in developing countries. Would a V35A-FXS be a viable single choice alternative?

For developing countries they will use the 1GR-FE. They need an old and reliable engine for these markets where parts supply is abundant and serviceability is more important than efficiency or emissions. The 1GR has already replaced the FZ Inline-6 on the LC70. It is their new workhorse engine along with the 1VD. The old 1FZ petrol and 1HZ diesel have been in service for over 20 years now, I expect the same for the 1GR and 1VD.

My overall point is that the LC300 could carry over the 1GR and 1VD for developing countries. And the V35A-FTS plus whatever V8 they are planning for the rest of the world. Unless they could not improve the 1VD to pass emissions I don't see a true need for a new diesel engine. And if there is a new one they will source from others.

Another possibility is the LC300 going all 'civilized' and stop caring about compatibility with developing regions, i.e. going in the Range Rover's direction (which is something they should have done ten years ago). The need to both be a troop transport and a luxury cruiser is what made the LC200 unnecessarily over-engineered. The LC150 Prado could be modified into the successor to the LC70 (replacing IFS with solid axle) and keep fulfilling the demand of armed forces and NGOs in developing regions.

P.S. For next year's Dakar Rally Toyota South Africa will replace the 2UR with a 3.5 turbo. While we don't know what this engine actually is, there is a high possibility of it being the V35A. This should be a hint that the V35A will be certified for operations in utility vehicles.

ssun30

For developing countries they will use the 1GR-FE. They need an old and reliable engine for these markets where parts supply is abundant and serviceability is more important than efficiency or emissions. The 1GR has already replaced the FZ Inline-6 on the LC70. It is their new workhorse engine along with the 1VD. The old 1FZ petrol and 1HZ diesel have been in service for over 20 years now, I expect the same for the 1GR and 1VD.

My overall point is that the LC300 could carry over the 1GR and 1VD for developing countries. And the V35A-FTS plus whatever V8 they are planning for the rest of the world. Unless they could not improve the 1VD to pass emissions I don't see a true need for a new diesel engine. And if there is a new one they will source from others.

Sourcing a competitor's diesel for the Land Cruiser would be heresy. Many Land Cruiser owners would hate that. I'm sure Toyota is smarter than that and is aware of how sensitive Land Cruiser owners are with regards to quality, durability, reliability. Land Cruiser owners value everything being in-house developed.

Then again, Toyota has made some controversial decisions with this new 'Supra' being co-developed with BMW. However the Supra was historically not a crown jewel top product of ToMoCo (even if the MK4 Supra was considered by some to be). The Land Cruiser was always a crown jewel product at Toyota for many years.

ssun30

P.S. For next year's Dakar Rally Toyota South Africa will replace the 2UR with a 3.5 turbo. While we don't know what this engine actually is, there is a high possibility of it being the V35A. This should be a hint that the V35A will be certified for operations in utility vehicles.

Source?

Also in the Lexus IS thread here: https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/next-generation-is.4430/page-4#post-37454

You mentioned that Toyota would not use a new V6 for the Tacoma/4Runner/Prado, that the 2GR-FKS would be the main engine for those vehicles. Yet here you're stating that the V35A is likely to be certified for utility vehicles. These two different points from you are contradictory. So which is it?

Also just a reminder of this article here: http://www.autonews.com/article/20180326/OEM02/180329837/toyota-truck-translator-mike-sweers

Continuing on with the 2GR-FKS as the main engine for some of the upcoming TNGA-F products just doesn't make sense. The 2GR-FKS is not a long stroke design at all, and is missing many key concepts of Dynamic Force engines. The 2GR-FKS even with the updates it received over the 2GR-FSE, is still an old, dated engine that doesn't deliver enough fuel economy or power compared to current competition today, and going into the future. If Toyota decides to keep using a GR engine for TNGA-F products, the best suited engine is the 1GR. It is a proven good fit for products like the Tacoma and 4Runner.

ssun30

For developing countries they will use the 1GR-FE. They need an old and reliable engine for these markets where parts supply is abundant and serviceability is more important than efficiency or emissions. The 1GR has already replaced the FZ Inline-6 on the LC70. It is their new workhorse engine along with the 1VD. The old 1FZ petrol and 1HZ diesel have been in service for over 20 years now, I expect the same for the 1GR and 1VD.

My overall point is that the LC300 could carry over the 1GR and 1VD for developing countries. And the V35A-FTS plus whatever V8 they are planning for the rest of the world. Unless they could not improve the 1VD to pass emissions I don't see a true need for a new diesel engine. And if there is a new one they will source from others.

Sourcing a competitor's diesel for the Land Cruiser would be heresy. Many Land Cruiser owners would hate that. I'm sure Toyota is smarter than that and is aware of how sensitive Land Cruiser owners are with regards to quality, durability, reliability. Land Cruiser owners value everything being in-house developed.

Then again, Toyota has made some controversial decisions with this new 'Supra' being co-developed with BMW. However the Supra was historically not a crown jewel top product of ToMoCo (even if the MK4 Supra was considered by some to be). The Land Cruiser was always a crown jewel product at Toyota for many years.

ssun30

P.S. For next year's Dakar Rally Toyota South Africa will replace the 2UR with a 3.5 turbo. While we don't know what this engine actually is, there is a high possibility of it being the V35A. This should be a hint that the V35A will be certified for operations in utility vehicles.

Source?

Also in the Lexus IS thread here: https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/next-generation-is.4430/page-4#post-37454

You mentioned that Toyota would not use a new V6 for the Tacoma/4Runner/Prado, that the 2GR-FKS would be the main engine for those vehicles. Yet here you're stating that the V35A is likely to be certified for utility vehicles. These two different points from you are contradictory. So which is it?

Also just a reminder of this article here: http://www.autonews.com/article/20180326/OEM02/180329837/toyota-truck-translator-mike-sweers

Continuing on with the 2GR-FKS as the main engine for some of the upcoming TNGA-F products just doesn't make sense. The 2GR-FKS is not a long stroke design at all, and is missing many key concepts of Dynamic Force engines. The 2GR-FKS even with the updates it received over the 2GR-FSE, is still an old, dated engine that doesn't deliver enough fuel economy or power compared to current competition today, and going into the future. If Toyota decides to keep using a GR engine for TNGA-F products, the best suited engine is the 1GR. It is a proven good fit for products like the Tacoma and 4Runner.

ssun30

For developing countries they will use the 1GR-FE. They need an old and reliable engine for these markets where parts supply is abundant and serviceability is more important than efficiency or emissions. The 1GR has already replaced the FZ Inline-6 on the LC70. It is their new workhorse engine along with the 1VD. The old 1FZ petrol and 1HZ diesel have been in service for over 20 years now, I expect the same for the 1GR and 1VD.

My overall point is that the LC300 could carry over the 1GR and 1VD for developing countries. And the V35A-FTS plus whatever V8 they are planning for the rest of the world. Unless they could not improve the 1VD to pass emissions I don't see a true need for a new diesel engine. And if there is a new one they will source from others.

Sourcing a competitor's diesel for the Land Cruiser would be heresy. Many Land Cruiser owners would hate that. I'm sure Toyota is smarter than that and is aware of how sensitive Land Cruiser owners are with regards to quality, durability, reliability. Land Cruiser owners value everything being in-house developed.

Then again, Toyota has made some controversial decisions with this new 'Supra' being co-developed with BMW. However the Supra was historically not a crown jewel top product of ToMoCo (even if the MK4 Supra was considered by some to be). The Land Cruiser was always a crown jewel product at Toyota for many years.

ssun30

P.S. For next year's Dakar Rally Toyota South Africa will replace the 2UR with a 3.5 turbo. While we don't know what this engine actually is, there is a high possibility of it being the V35A. This should be a hint that the V35A will be certified for operations in utility vehicles.

Source?

Also in the Lexus IS thread here: https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/next-generation-is.4430/page-4#post-37454

You mentioned that Toyota would not use a new V6 for the Tacoma/4Runner/Prado, that the 2GR-FKS would be the main engine for those vehicles. Yet here you're stating that the V35A is likely to be certified for utility vehicles. These two different points from you are contradictory. So which is it?

Also just a reminder of this article here: http://www.autonews.com/article/20180326/OEM02/180329837/toyota-truck-translator-mike-sweers

Continuing on with the 2GR-FKS as the main engine for some of the upcoming TNGA-F products just doesn't make sense. The 2GR-FKS is not a long stroke design at all, and is missing many key concepts of Dynamic Force engines. The 2GR-FKS even with the updates it received over the 2GR-FSE, is still an old, dated engine that doesn't deliver enough fuel economy or power compared to current competition today, and going into the future. If Toyota decides to keep using a GR engine for TNGA-F products, the best suited engine is the 1GR. It is a proven good fit for products like the Tacoma and 4Runner.

CIF

Sourcing a competitor's diesel for the Land Cruiser would be heresy.

It is something that was already done on the OJ40 (Mercedes) and BJ70 (VM Motori) for selected markets. As long as it is a proven motor that is easy to service Toyota will use it.

CIF

Source?

http://www.topgear.co.za/2017/11/25/2447/

There is a lot of discussion from the FIA regarding better balance using different engine controlling tools, turbo petrol will be allowed from 2019 onwards with the a maximum capacity of 3.5-litres, which means we can use a 3.5 V6 twin-turbo. That engine has lower fuel consumption than the engine we’re using, more torque but slightly less power. So that’s part of our future plan. We understood that BMW was going away from diesel but now we’re hearing they might keep it until 2021.

I made a mistake by saying the 3.5 V6TT will be used by next year's Hilux Dakar. But regulations has surely allowed them to compete against turbodiesels with turbo gasoline motors, and they are planning to introduce it. The 2UR they use right now put them at a disadvantage in high altitude stages.

CIF

Sourcing a competitor's diesel for the Land Cruiser would be heresy.

It is something that was already done on the OJ40 (Mercedes) and BJ70 (VM Motori) for selected markets. As long as it is a proven motor that is easy to service Toyota will use it.

CIF

Source?

http://www.topgear.co.za/2017/11/25/2447/

There is a lot of discussion from the FIA regarding better balance using different engine controlling tools, turbo petrol will be allowed from 2019 onwards with the a maximum capacity of 3.5-litres, which means we can use a 3.5 V6 twin-turbo. That engine has lower fuel consumption than the engine we’re using, more torque but slightly less power. So that’s part of our future plan. We understood that BMW was going away from diesel but now we’re hearing they might keep it until 2021.

I made a mistake by saying the 3.5 V6TT will be used by next year's Hilux Dakar. But regulations has surely allowed them to compete against turbodiesels with turbo gasoline motors, and they are planning to introduce it. The 2UR they use right now put them at a disadvantage in high altitude stages.

CIF

Sourcing a competitor's diesel for the Land Cruiser would be heresy.

It is something that was already done on the OJ40 (Mercedes) and BJ70 (VM Motori) for selected markets. As long as it is a proven motor that is easy to service Toyota will use it.

CIF

Source?

http://www.topgear.co.za/2017/11/25/2447/

There is a lot of discussion from the FIA regarding better balance using different engine controlling tools, turbo petrol will be allowed from 2019 onwards with the a maximum capacity of 3.5-litres, which means we can use a 3.5 V6 twin-turbo. That engine has lower fuel consumption than the engine we’re using, more torque but slightly less power. So that’s part of our future plan. We understood that BMW was going away from diesel but now we’re hearing they might keep it until 2021.

I made a mistake by saying the 3.5 V6TT will be used by next year's Hilux Dakar. But regulations has surely allowed them to compete against turbodiesels with turbo gasoline motors, and they are planning to introduce it. The 2UR they use right now put them at a disadvantage in high altitude stages.

ssun30

It is something that was already done on the OJ40 (Mercedes) and BJ70 (VM Motori) for selected markets. As long as it is a proven motor that is easy to service Toyota will use it.



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I made a mistake by saying the 3.5 V6TT will be used by next year's Hilux Dakar. But regulations has surely allowed them to compete against turbodiesels with turbo gasoline motors, and they are planning to introduce it. The 2UR they use right now put them at a disadvantage in high altitude stages.

I forgot about the OJ40, I will give you that. The BJ70 doesn't count. That VM Motori engine was offered in ONE market, Italy. So that's a total exception. Even the OJ40 though, that was also done in ONE market, Brazil. That OJ40 even had its own local name in Brazil. Eventually, the Mercedes engines were replaced with Toyota diesel engines.

My point mostly stands. There's not much of a precedent here at all to be outsourcing engines for the Land Cruiser. You listed two rare examples that occurred only in two select single markets, out of all worldwide Land Cruiser markets, on two select Land Cruiser variants.

As for the Dakar Rally, well then it's not much news in that case. The future regulations allow them to use a turbo 3.5L engine, but Toyota has not officially confirmed they will be doing so. So we will see.

ssun30

It is something that was already done on the OJ40 (Mercedes) and BJ70 (VM Motori) for selected markets. As long as it is a proven motor that is easy to service Toyota will use it.



http://www.topgear.co.za/2017/11/25/2447/



I made a mistake by saying the 3.5 V6TT will be used by next year's Hilux Dakar. But regulations has surely allowed them to compete against turbodiesels with turbo gasoline motors, and they are planning to introduce it. The 2UR they use right now put them at a disadvantage in high altitude stages.

I forgot about the OJ40, I will give you that. The BJ70 doesn't count. That VM Motori engine was offered in ONE market, Italy. So that's a total exception. Even the OJ40 though, that was also done in ONE market, Brazil. That OJ40 even had its own local name in Brazil. Eventually, the Mercedes engines were replaced with Toyota diesel engines.

My point mostly stands. There's not much of a precedent here at all to be outsourcing engines for the Land Cruiser. You listed two rare examples that occurred only in two select single markets, out of all worldwide Land Cruiser markets, on two select Land Cruiser variants.

As for the Dakar Rally, well then it's not much news in that case. The future regulations allow them to use a turbo 3.5L engine, but Toyota has not officially confirmed they will be doing so. So we will see.

ssun30

It is something that was already done on the OJ40 (Mercedes) and BJ70 (VM Motori) for selected markets. As long as it is a proven motor that is easy to service Toyota will use it.



http://www.topgear.co.za/2017/11/25/2447/



I made a mistake by saying the 3.5 V6TT will be used by next year's Hilux Dakar. But regulations has surely allowed them to compete against turbodiesels with turbo gasoline motors, and they are planning to introduce it. The 2UR they use right now put them at a disadvantage in high altitude stages.

I forgot about the OJ40, I will give you that. The BJ70 doesn't count. That VM Motori engine was offered in ONE market, Italy. So that's a total exception. Even the OJ40 though, that was also done in ONE market, Brazil. That OJ40 even had its own local name in Brazil. Eventually, the Mercedes engines were replaced with Toyota diesel engines.

My point mostly stands. There's not much of a precedent here at all to be outsourcing engines for the Land Cruiser. You listed two rare examples that occurred only in two select single markets, out of all worldwide Land Cruiser markets, on two select Land Cruiser variants.

As for the Dakar Rally, well then it's not much news in that case. The future regulations allow them to use a turbo 3.5L engine, but Toyota has not officially confirmed they will be doing so. So we will see.

I heard of Dakar team that V8 engine was not the problem. Regulations did not allow Toyota to incorporate the system which increases/decreases tyre pressure. That gave the pace advantage to competition.