Lexus August 2018 Sales Report

Camless engines please! :yum

Camless engines please! :yum

ssun30

That's exactly what they are doing and what the whole industry is moving to in the next decade. The future of automobile is very boring and very efficient. Every technology, when sufficiently sophisticated, will be brutally efficient and boring at the same time. Variety is the result of inefficiency.



Electric turbos are a technological dead end. They are a lot of engineering and cost for very little gains, and they will never be reliable enough for mass market applications due to the need for a extremely fast rotating rotor. The extra cost will always be better spent on actual hybrid components. The general industry consensus is that they will see use on supercars and high-end luxury cars for about a decade and then disappear. F1 engines are very efficient and powerful because they are essentially turbocompound engines, which is a 1950s technology and was a technological dead end back then as well. Toyota will not seriously invest in the technology and focus on full electric instead.

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

ssun30

That's exactly what they are doing and what the whole industry is moving to in the next decade. The future of automobile is very boring and very efficient. Every technology, when sufficiently sophisticated, will be brutally efficient and boring at the same time. Variety is the result of inefficiency.



Electric turbos are a technological dead end. They are a lot of engineering and cost for very little gains, and they will never be reliable enough for mass market applications due to the need for a extremely fast rotating rotor. The extra cost will always be better spent on actual hybrid components. The general industry consensus is that they will see use on supercars and high-end luxury cars for about a decade and then disappear. F1 engines are very efficient and powerful because they are essentially turbocompound engines, which is a 1950s technology and was a technological dead end back then as well. Toyota will not seriously invest in the technology and focus on full electric instead.

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

ssun30

That's exactly what they are doing and what the whole industry is moving to in the next decade. The future of automobile is very boring and very efficient. Every technology, when sufficiently sophisticated, will be brutally efficient and boring at the same time. Variety is the result of inefficiency.



Electric turbos are a technological dead end. They are a lot of engineering and cost for very little gains, and they will never be reliable enough for mass market applications due to the need for a extremely fast rotating rotor. The extra cost will always be better spent on actual hybrid components. The general industry consensus is that they will see use on supercars and high-end luxury cars for about a decade and then disappear. F1 engines are very efficient and powerful because they are essentially turbocompound engines, which is a 1950s technology and was a technological dead end back then as well. Toyota will not seriously invest in the technology and focus on full electric instead.

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

carguy420

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

I heard that it will be gasoline-electric hybrids, combined with EV's for urban/metropolitan driving, with hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles HFCEV's for long distance esp commercial vehicles.

As to whether the gasoline-electric hybrids will be no replacement for displacement, or small capacity turbos - I don't know.
Some say that no replacement for displacement gasoline-electric hybrids are more efficient.
Yet I also hear of small capacity turbo gasoline-electric hybrids coming.

However, all traditional ICE's will have a limit compared to EV's and HFCEV's...

carguy420

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

I heard that it will be gasoline-electric hybrids, combined with EV's for urban/metropolitan driving, with hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles HFCEV's for long distance esp commercial vehicles.

As to whether the gasoline-electric hybrids will be no replacement for displacement, or small capacity turbos - I don't know.
Some say that no replacement for displacement gasoline-electric hybrids are more efficient.
Yet I also hear of small capacity turbo gasoline-electric hybrids coming.

However, all traditional ICE's will have a limit compared to EV's and HFCEV's...

carguy420

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

I heard that it will be gasoline-electric hybrids, combined with EV's for urban/metropolitan driving, with hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles HFCEV's for long distance esp commercial vehicles.

As to whether the gasoline-electric hybrids will be no replacement for displacement, or small capacity turbos - I don't know.
Some say that no replacement for displacement gasoline-electric hybrids are more efficient.
Yet I also hear of small capacity turbo gasoline-electric hybrids coming.

However, all traditional ICE's will have a limit compared to EV's and HFCEV's...

peterharvey

I heard that it will be gasoline-electric hybrids, combined with EV's for urban/metropolitan driving, with hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles HFCEV's for long distance esp commercial vehicles.

As to whether the gasoline-electric hybrids will be no replacement for displacement, or small capacity turbos - I don't know.
Some say that no replacement for displacement gasoline-electric hybrids are more efficient.
Yet I also hear of small capacity turbo gasoline-electric hybrids coming.

However, all traditional ICE's will have a limit compared to EV's and HFCEV's...

https://automotivemegatrends.com/internal-combustion-engine-4-0/
I digged up some info about future powertrains in general.

peterharvey

I heard that it will be gasoline-electric hybrids, combined with EV's for urban/metropolitan driving, with hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles HFCEV's for long distance esp commercial vehicles.

As to whether the gasoline-electric hybrids will be no replacement for displacement, or small capacity turbos - I don't know.
Some say that no replacement for displacement gasoline-electric hybrids are more efficient.
Yet I also hear of small capacity turbo gasoline-electric hybrids coming.

However, all traditional ICE's will have a limit compared to EV's and HFCEV's...

https://automotivemegatrends.com/internal-combustion-engine-4-0/
I digged up some info about future powertrains in general.

peterharvey

I heard that it will be gasoline-electric hybrids, combined with EV's for urban/metropolitan driving, with hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles HFCEV's for long distance esp commercial vehicles.

As to whether the gasoline-electric hybrids will be no replacement for displacement, or small capacity turbos - I don't know.
Some say that no replacement for displacement gasoline-electric hybrids are more efficient.
Yet I also hear of small capacity turbo gasoline-electric hybrids coming.

However, all traditional ICE's will have a limit compared to EV's and HFCEV's...

https://automotivemegatrends.com/internal-combustion-engine-4-0/
I digged up some info about future powertrains in general.

Most of Toyota's recent MPG gains can be attributed to the part time Atkinson cycle operation.

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

Most of Toyota's recent MPG gains can be attributed to the part time Atkinson cycle operation.

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

Most of Toyota's recent MPG gains can be attributed to the part time Atkinson cycle operation.

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

TheNerdyPotato

Most of Toyota's recent MPG gains can be attributed to the part time Atkinson cycle operation.

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

Technically yes.

TheNerdyPotato

Most of Toyota's recent MPG gains can be attributed to the part time Atkinson cycle operation.

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

Technically yes.

TheNerdyPotato

Most of Toyota's recent MPG gains can be attributed to the part time Atkinson cycle operation.

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

Technically yes.

carguy420

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

A mix of both. Lexus will get more downsizing. There will always be a segment that doesn't need turbo.

TheNerdyPotato

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

No. On the 8AR-FTS Atkinson cycle and turbocharging are two separate regions on the engine map. The engine only runs in Atkinson cycle when off boost. So far no Miller cycle engine operates permanently in Atkinson mode, it will always run Otto Cycle when load is high.

carguy420

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

A mix of both. Lexus will get more downsizing. There will always be a segment that doesn't need turbo.

TheNerdyPotato

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

No. On the 8AR-FTS Atkinson cycle and turbocharging are two separate regions on the engine map. The engine only runs in Atkinson cycle when off boost. So far no Miller cycle engine operates permanently in Atkinson mode, it will always run Otto Cycle when load is high.

carguy420

So what's the future for Toyota? Downsized turbo engines or no replacement for displacement?

A mix of both. Lexus will get more downsizing. There will always be a segment that doesn't need turbo.

TheNerdyPotato

Would a turbocharged Atkinson cycle be considered Miller cycle when on boost? I recall Mazda having a supercharged Miller V6 back in the 90s.

No. On the 8AR-FTS Atkinson cycle and turbocharging are two separate regions on the engine map. The engine only runs in Atkinson cycle when off boost. So far no Miller cycle engine operates permanently in Atkinson mode, it will always run Otto Cycle when load is high.

ssun30

A mix of both. Lexus will get more downsizing. There will always be a segment that doesn't need turbo.



No. On the 8AR-FTS Atkinson cycle and turbocharging are two separate regions on the engine map. The engine only runs in Atkinson cycle when off boost. So far no Miller cycle engine operates permanently in Atkinson mode, it will always run Otto Cycle when load is high.

Wait a minute, can the Mazda Miller cycle engine switch back to Otto cycle?

ssun30

A mix of both. Lexus will get more downsizing. There will always be a segment that doesn't need turbo.



No. On the 8AR-FTS Atkinson cycle and turbocharging are two separate regions on the engine map. The engine only runs in Atkinson cycle when off boost. So far no Miller cycle engine operates permanently in Atkinson mode, it will always run Otto Cycle when load is high.

Wait a minute, can the Mazda Miller cycle engine switch back to Otto cycle?

ssun30

A mix of both. Lexus will get more downsizing. There will always be a segment that doesn't need turbo.



No. On the 8AR-FTS Atkinson cycle and turbocharging are two separate regions on the engine map. The engine only runs in Atkinson cycle when off boost. So far no Miller cycle engine operates permanently in Atkinson mode, it will always run Otto Cycle when load is high.

Wait a minute, can the Mazda Miller cycle engine switch back to Otto cycle?

ssun30

I would back off from discussion for now and see if I can get to share these articles I mentioned earlier.

It seems as though you may actually be right, and I may be wrong regarding downsizing at Toyota.

https://www.mag-x.com/shop/products/detail.php?product_id=109

The latest issue of Mag X claims that Toyota has a newly developed 2.4L cylinder turbo engine. I can't discern any other details as I don't speak Japanese. I can only assume this would be replacing the 8AR-FTS.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Despite no previously clear evidence, we now have evidence of downsizing in the TNGA era (besides the V35A). While I had viewed the V35A as an exception, it looks like this is not the case if this 2.4L turbo engine turns out to be true. The key question is, will this supposed 2.4L turbo replace the GR V6 in all markets, some markets, or not at all? In the best-case scenario personally speaking, I feel this engine may replace all current applications of the 8AR-FTS and no more than that. As I am personally against downsizing, I can only hope for the best-case scenario that downsizing overall will be market-selective and model selective. I have hope for this as Toyota's master TNGA powertrain diagram does show 2 mystery engines above the V35A, but also plenty of engines below the V35A. I simply cannot imagine Toyota going to 100% downsizing, as we already have the M20A and A25A which are not downsized. If hypothetically all other yet-to-be-revealed TNGA engines were downsized turbo engines, I would seriously reconsider being a Toyota fan. I have great confidence though that this won't happen. Toyota knows that some world markets (and also specific market segments) hate downsized turbo engines. Toyota themselves also know for superior combustion, superior driveability and the best thermal efficiency, higher displacement is often preferable.

On another note, looking at it now Toyota's TNGA powertrain diagram has the engines most certainly ordered by displacement, regardless of forced induction or not. Just like the THS systems are going by ascending order clockwise, as well as the transmissions. Therefore I believe this apparent new 2.4L turbo will slot in the diagram between the A25A and the M20A. That means that a mystery engine still remains on the diagram between the V35A and the A25A. I would imagine that engine will be the new global workhorse V6 engine. The other question is, will this 2.4L turbo engine be based on the A25A or the M20A? Surely it cannot be yet another new engine code, as that is not the TNGA way.

I am personally most excited by the engines above the V35A. My final guess is that one of the engines is the rumored 4.0L TT V8, and the other engine is a big displacement replacement for the 3UR engine. The engine between the A25A and V35A is also exciting.

ssun30

I would back off from discussion for now and see if I can get to share these articles I mentioned earlier.

It seems as though you may actually be right, and I may be wrong regarding downsizing at Toyota.

https://www.mag-x.com/shop/products/detail.php?product_id=109

The latest issue of Mag X claims that Toyota has a newly developed 2.4L cylinder turbo engine. I can't discern any other details as I don't speak Japanese. I can only assume this would be replacing the 8AR-FTS.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Despite no previously clear evidence, we now have evidence of downsizing in the TNGA era (besides the V35A). While I had viewed the V35A as an exception, it looks like this is not the case if this 2.4L turbo engine turns out to be true. The key question is, will this supposed 2.4L turbo replace the GR V6 in all markets, some markets, or not at all? In the best-case scenario personally speaking, I feel this engine may replace all current applications of the 8AR-FTS and no more than that. As I am personally against downsizing, I can only hope for the best-case scenario that downsizing overall will be market-selective and model selective. I have hope for this as Toyota's master TNGA powertrain diagram does show 2 mystery engines above the V35A, but also plenty of engines below the V35A. I simply cannot imagine Toyota going to 100% downsizing, as we already have the M20A and A25A which are not downsized. If hypothetically all other yet-to-be-revealed TNGA engines were downsized turbo engines, I would seriously reconsider being a Toyota fan. I have great confidence though that this won't happen. Toyota knows that some world markets (and also specific market segments) hate downsized turbo engines. Toyota themselves also know for superior combustion, superior driveability and the best thermal efficiency, higher displacement is often preferable.

On another note, looking at it now Toyota's TNGA powertrain diagram has the engines most certainly ordered by displacement, regardless of forced induction or not. Just like the THS systems are going by ascending order clockwise, as well as the transmissions. Therefore I believe this apparent new 2.4L turbo will slot in the diagram between the A25A and the M20A. That means that a mystery engine still remains on the diagram between the V35A and the A25A. I would imagine that engine will be the new global workhorse V6 engine. The other question is, will this 2.4L turbo engine be based on the A25A or the M20A? Surely it cannot be yet another new engine code, as that is not the TNGA way.

I am personally most excited by the engines above the V35A. My final guess is that one of the engines is the rumored 4.0L TT V8, and the other engine is a big displacement replacement for the 3UR engine. The engine between the A25A and V35A is also exciting.

ssun30

I would back off from discussion for now and see if I can get to share these articles I mentioned earlier.

It seems as though you may actually be right, and I may be wrong regarding downsizing at Toyota.

https://www.mag-x.com/shop/products/detail.php?product_id=109

The latest issue of Mag X claims that Toyota has a newly developed 2.4L cylinder turbo engine. I can't discern any other details as I don't speak Japanese. I can only assume this would be replacing the 8AR-FTS.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Despite no previously clear evidence, we now have evidence of downsizing in the TNGA era (besides the V35A). While I had viewed the V35A as an exception, it looks like this is not the case if this 2.4L turbo engine turns out to be true. The key question is, will this supposed 2.4L turbo replace the GR V6 in all markets, some markets, or not at all? In the best-case scenario personally speaking, I feel this engine may replace all current applications of the 8AR-FTS and no more than that. As I am personally against downsizing, I can only hope for the best-case scenario that downsizing overall will be market-selective and model selective. I have hope for this as Toyota's master TNGA powertrain diagram does show 2 mystery engines above the V35A, but also plenty of engines below the V35A. I simply cannot imagine Toyota going to 100% downsizing, as we already have the M20A and A25A which are not downsized. If hypothetically all other yet-to-be-revealed TNGA engines were downsized turbo engines, I would seriously reconsider being a Toyota fan. I have great confidence though that this won't happen. Toyota knows that some world markets (and also specific market segments) hate downsized turbo engines. Toyota themselves also know for superior combustion, superior driveability and the best thermal efficiency, higher displacement is often preferable.

On another note, looking at it now Toyota's TNGA powertrain diagram has the engines most certainly ordered by displacement, regardless of forced induction or not. Just like the THS systems are going by ascending order clockwise, as well as the transmissions. Therefore I believe this apparent new 2.4L turbo will slot in the diagram between the A25A and the M20A. That means that a mystery engine still remains on the diagram between the V35A and the A25A. I would imagine that engine will be the new global workhorse V6 engine. The other question is, will this 2.4L turbo engine be based on the A25A or the M20A? Surely it cannot be yet another new engine code, as that is not the TNGA way.

I am personally most excited by the engines above the V35A. My final guess is that one of the engines is the rumored 4.0L TT V8, and the other engine is a big displacement replacement for the 3UR engine. The engine between the A25A and V35A is also exciting.

CIF

It seems as though you may actually be right, and I may be wrong regarding downsizing at Toyota.

https://www.mag-x.com/shop/products/detail.php?product_id=109

The latest issue of Mag X claims that Toyota has a newly developed 2.4L cylinder turbo engine. I can't discern any other details as I don't speak Japanese. I can only assume this would be replacing the 8AR-FTS.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Despite no previously clear evidence, we now have evidence of downsizing in the TNGA era (besides the V35A). While I had viewed the V35A as an exception, it looks like this is not the case if this 2.4L turbo engine turns out to be true. The key question is, will this supposed 2.4L turbo replace the GR V6 in all markets, some markets, or not at all? In the best-case scenario personally speaking, I feel this engine may replace all current applications of the 8AR-FTS and no more than that. As I am personally against downsizing, I can only hope for the best-case scenario that downsizing overall will be market-selective and model selective. I have hope for this as Toyota's master TNGA powertrain diagram does show 2 mystery engines above the V35A, but also plenty of engines below the V35A. I simply cannot imagine Toyota going to 100% downsizing, as we already have the M20A and A25A which are not downsized. If hypothetically all other yet-to-be-revealed TNGA engines were downsized turbo engines, I would seriously reconsider being a Toyota fan. I have great confidence though that this won't happen. Toyota knows that some world markets (and also specific market segments) hate downsized turbo engines. Toyota themselves also know for superior combustion, superior driveability and the best thermal efficiency, higher displacement is often preferable.

On another note, looking at it now Toyota's TNGA powertrain diagram has the engines most certainly ordered by displacement, regardless of forced induction or not. Just like the THS systems are going by ascending order clockwise, as well as the transmissions. Therefore I believe this apparent new 2.4L turbo will slot in the diagram between the A25A and the M20A. That means that a mystery engine still remains on the diagram between the V35A and the A25A. I would imagine that engine will be the new global workhorse V6 engine. The other question is, will this 2.4L turbo engine be based on the A25A or the M20A? Surely it cannot be yet another new engine code, as that is not the TNGA way.

I am personally most excited by the engines above the V35A. My final guess is that one of the engines is the rumored 4.0L TT V8, and the other engine is a big displacement replacement for the 3UR engine. The engine between the A25A and V35A is also exciting.

This might be the 2.4l v6 engine in the TS050 hybrid race car. The 2.4L v6 twin turbo by itself is pushing 368kw/500ps. so if detuned to 260kw as the work horse of TMC, I dont think it is stressed.

CIF

It seems as though you may actually be right, and I may be wrong regarding downsizing at Toyota.

https://www.mag-x.com/shop/products/detail.php?product_id=109

The latest issue of Mag X claims that Toyota has a newly developed 2.4L cylinder turbo engine. I can't discern any other details as I don't speak Japanese. I can only assume this would be replacing the 8AR-FTS.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Despite no previously clear evidence, we now have evidence of downsizing in the TNGA era (besides the V35A). While I had viewed the V35A as an exception, it looks like this is not the case if this 2.4L turbo engine turns out to be true. The key question is, will this supposed 2.4L turbo replace the GR V6 in all markets, some markets, or not at all? In the best-case scenario personally speaking, I feel this engine may replace all current applications of the 8AR-FTS and no more than that. As I am personally against downsizing, I can only hope for the best-case scenario that downsizing overall will be market-selective and model selective. I have hope for this as Toyota's master TNGA powertrain diagram does show 2 mystery engines above the V35A, but also plenty of engines below the V35A. I simply cannot imagine Toyota going to 100% downsizing, as we already have the M20A and A25A which are not downsized. If hypothetically all other yet-to-be-revealed TNGA engines were downsized turbo engines, I would seriously reconsider being a Toyota fan. I have great confidence though that this won't happen. Toyota knows that some world markets (and also specific market segments) hate downsized turbo engines. Toyota themselves also know for superior combustion, superior driveability and the best thermal efficiency, higher displacement is often preferable.

On another note, looking at it now Toyota's TNGA powertrain diagram has the engines most certainly ordered by displacement, regardless of forced induction or not. Just like the THS systems are going by ascending order clockwise, as well as the transmissions. Therefore I believe this apparent new 2.4L turbo will slot in the diagram between the A25A and the M20A. That means that a mystery engine still remains on the diagram between the V35A and the A25A. I would imagine that engine will be the new global workhorse V6 engine. The other question is, will this 2.4L turbo engine be based on the A25A or the M20A? Surely it cannot be yet another new engine code, as that is not the TNGA way.

I am personally most excited by the engines above the V35A. My final guess is that one of the engines is the rumored 4.0L TT V8, and the other engine is a big displacement replacement for the 3UR engine. The engine between the A25A and V35A is also exciting.

This might be the 2.4l v6 engine in the TS050 hybrid race car. The 2.4L v6 twin turbo by itself is pushing 368kw/500ps. so if detuned to 260kw as the work horse of TMC, I dont think it is stressed.

CIF

It seems as though you may actually be right, and I may be wrong regarding downsizing at Toyota.

https://www.mag-x.com/shop/products/detail.php?product_id=109

The latest issue of Mag X claims that Toyota has a newly developed 2.4L cylinder turbo engine. I can't discern any other details as I don't speak Japanese. I can only assume this would be replacing the 8AR-FTS.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

Despite no previously clear evidence, we now have evidence of downsizing in the TNGA era (besides the V35A). While I had viewed the V35A as an exception, it looks like this is not the case if this 2.4L turbo engine turns out to be true. The key question is, will this supposed 2.4L turbo replace the GR V6 in all markets, some markets, or not at all? In the best-case scenario personally speaking, I feel this engine may replace all current applications of the 8AR-FTS and no more than that. As I am personally against downsizing, I can only hope for the best-case scenario that downsizing overall will be market-selective and model selective. I have hope for this as Toyota's master TNGA powertrain diagram does show 2 mystery engines above the V35A, but also plenty of engines below the V35A. I simply cannot imagine Toyota going to 100% downsizing, as we already have the M20A and A25A which are not downsized. If hypothetically all other yet-to-be-revealed TNGA engines were downsized turbo engines, I would seriously reconsider being a Toyota fan. I have great confidence though that this won't happen. Toyota knows that some world markets (and also specific market segments) hate downsized turbo engines. Toyota themselves also know for superior combustion, superior driveability and the best thermal efficiency, higher displacement is often preferable.

On another note, looking at it now Toyota's TNGA powertrain diagram has the engines most certainly ordered by displacement, regardless of forced induction or not. Just like the THS systems are going by ascending order clockwise, as well as the transmissions. Therefore I believe this apparent new 2.4L turbo will slot in the diagram between the A25A and the M20A. That means that a mystery engine still remains on the diagram between the V35A and the A25A. I would imagine that engine will be the new global workhorse V6 engine. The other question is, will this 2.4L turbo engine be based on the A25A or the M20A? Surely it cannot be yet another new engine code, as that is not the TNGA way.

I am personally most excited by the engines above the V35A. My final guess is that one of the engines is the rumored 4.0L TT V8, and the other engine is a big displacement replacement for the 3UR engine. The engine between the A25A and V35A is also exciting.

This might be the 2.4l v6 engine in the TS050 hybrid race car. The 2.4L v6 twin turbo by itself is pushing 368kw/500ps. so if detuned to 260kw as the work horse of TMC, I dont think it is stressed.

But the 2.4l V6 in the Toyota race car is a 90° V6, and Toyota never made 90° V6 engines in production cars. They always went for 60° angle.

Also, what about the engine above the 1GD (2.8 I4 Diesel) that replaces the 1KD (3.0 I4 Diesel)? What is going to replace the 1VD (4.5 V8 Diesel)? The Land Cruiser always had a bigger diesel than the Prado.