Lexus June 2018 Sales Report

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.

maiaramdan

Honestly non from my previous 4 will cost them a penny
*NA V6 = already exists in this same current LS
*NA V8 = already exists in the current LC
*TT V8 = already existed mill there's 2 of them either the previous LS 650 TMG mill or the rumored 4 L 620hp
*Hybrid V8 = already exists in the new Century and updated a little from the previous LS 600 h / LS 600 hL

So all in all if they get a meeting today they can have them tomorrow

The problem was never in the R&D, the problem is that there are sterile minds sitting thinking they know the market but they knew nothing, all the board need to be changed, it's the same board that
1)never make the HPX see the light,
2)cost a lot of money on making the LFA a limited car with carbon fiber instead of having a full time Ferrari competitor in the stable,
3)killed the Venza just in the year the SUV started to boom,
4)choosing low materials in there most of cars even the new ES with its bottom places hard plastics,
5)not giving Avalon, ES, Camry a AWD even it existed until today in the old Sienna,
6)keeping the creme de la creme suvs and Trucks "Sequoia, Tundra, LC200, LX" without updating for nearly decade and half,
7)didn't raise the par and let Hyundai selling RWD sedans but they afraid about Lexus as if the competition will only take from Lexus "VAG is an idol",
8)letting A. Martin went to Benz and Lotus went to the Chinese even they were in some point the closest to get them,
9)not finished Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki cases even they are watching monthly how there selling numbers increases monthly, ironically they may get them if their selling numbers decreases as they did with Daihatsu,
10)the design team always needed to be replaced, if they already have any from super bland to childish, take a lot at the competitor all of them including the Japanese

Those at least 10 reasons from some of have a mini mini mini 1 over trillion from its share and I always love it and still do but something big need to happen

1) Integration of a powertrain with a vehicle is not free. Actually it's a very engineering-intensive work. Designing a chassis to accommodate so many powertrain combinations is very inefficient. All modern cars are designed to have as few engine options as possible. The logistic headaches are even worse in manufacturing, no matter how efficient TPS is.

2) All these problems you mentioned were very true (maybe except the LFA part, it is amazing despite the number of setbacks during development). In particular buying out Mazda and Subaru should definitely be on their to-do list before the two took off in USA. Even not counting the potential benefits from their technical know-how, the asset TMC can acquire alone is crucial in securing its future. The people responsible for these bad decisions were already purged by Akio Toyoda (in his own words 'a fight against the Old Guards'), but we won't see the immediate effect since there will always be considerable amount of inertia in execution with these mega corporations.

We shouldn't immediately question whether Lexus is heading in the wrong direction like a knee-jerk reaction. The suffering of Lexus sedans could be the result of what I call the 'Lost Generation' i.e. the first half of the 2010 where their sedan lineup did not receive meaningful updates. One thing they definitely mismanaged was the LS situation: the 'bean counters' couldn't justify a more thorough update for the 4.5LS and as a result the model faded into obscurity, forcing the 5LS to fight a very hard uphill battle. That shouldn't be as big a problem if the 5LS was released in time for 2016, but it ended up delayed by two years. The SUV boom hit at the right moment and any problem with their sedan lineup becomes even more exaggerated. It takes a few years for those negative decisions to fully take effect, and we shouldn't be surprised if their sedan situation is worse than ever. On the other hand, BMW's sedans got hit less hard by the SUV boom today because of what they did in the past, in particular the 'Golden Generation' which first took advantage of downsizing.

But it does not mean what they do now will not improve the situation (with a delay). The 5LS has all the correct ingredients for success: a refreshing look, competent powertrain lineup that fits the segment (especially considering the value), and unmatched interior quality. Who knows, the 5LS may enjoy a short period of success after 2019, before it gets inevitably destroyed by the LF-1.