Collected: More Reviews of the 2019 Lexus ES 350 & ES 300h

Posted by Kevin on June 25th, 2018

Now two weeks after the first reviews of the 2019 Lexus ES hit the Internet, let’s look at some more driving impressions of the new sedan.

Pat Devereux of Top Gear could not have been more effusive in his review of the ES 300h:

This is a moment for you to consider what driving you really do, rather than what you would like to do, but don’t. While [Top Gear] will go to its grave defending your right to having a drift-worthy V8 that consumes tyres and petrol in equal measure, there are some of us who just want or need to get somewhere in the least stressful way possible. Often with luggage and passengers. For those people, cars like the Volvo S90 and now the new Lexus ES are not just a sensible choice, but the correct one.

The Gear Patrol review from Alex Kalogiannis is even-handed and sensible:

The legacy of the ES is secure. Within its element, it’s the best its ever been with contemporary looks and tech conveniences. The F Sport accoutrement only improves things, as long as buyers go in with the right expectations. The ride is smooth, the cabin is a comfortable place to be and it’s easy to see why Lexus loyalists have stuck with it for a few decades. This generation ES is far from a radical upgrade, but as [Chief Engineer] Sakakibara-san states, the pleasure is in the little things it consistently gets right.

Lexus ES Hybrid

Jake Lingeman from Autoweek has posted a very positive review of the ES, but what I wanted to highlight is his take on the Remote Touch controller:

There’s been a lot said about Lexus’ patented mouse pad/slider-joystick infotainment control, and I have a few opinions of my own. The first generation was not good. You had to look at the slider and the screen to find the right time to click. The company added little faux detents, so the cursor would sort of stick on the function you were looking for. It got better. Then it increased the screen size a few years ago to the 12.3 inches and got rid of the joystick/slider for a finger-controlled mouse pad. There was too much ground to cover. Now it’s refined again with separate screen divisions, with little tactile vibrations on the mouse pad where the screens meet so you sort of know where you are.

It wasn’t completely intuitive, but after a day in the car I was…serviceable with it. A week or so and it might be second nature. Whether it should take a week to learn how to use it is another issue. I think that’s an average amount of time; some in the office think that’s too long.

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krew
Tomorrow, journalists from around the world will publish their first-drive reviews of the 2019 Lexus ES sedan. Tonight, you can read my full technical review of the new model as a primer.

My personal review will be coming next week, as this article took a very long time to write. :skull:
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THANK YOU!!!!!
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Rear space looks to be so great. If you want comfort and high tech without losing reliability - amazing how Lexus manages that - the new ES looks like the best value proposition, the ES 300h is a no brainer. If you want sport, it will always be a compromise.
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Bro! Thank you so much for the in-depth post of the ES + its features/packages. I was curious about it for some time.

I do want to say though - I was expecting more features from the 2019 ES. Maybe I'm just greedy. :cool:

I predict the Non F-Sport models will be the best sellers. The F-Sport model just seem to be a dress up rather than anything.
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Interesting.... there are pictures/video clips with the hybrid variant having an f-sport badge, yet a hybrid f-sport model isn't going to be available (at least for the NA market). :(

Krew, was a preorder process discussed at all?

I plan to test drive f-sport and hybrid variants. I just want to be sure I am driving in the ultra luxury topaz shimamoku trim on the first day it's available LOL.
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Neezy216
Interesting.... there are pictures/video clips with the hybrid variant having an f-sport badge, yet a hybrid f-sport model isn't going to be available (at least for the NA market). :(

Krew, was a preorder process discussed at all?

I plan to test drive f-sport and hybrid variants. I just want to be sure I am driving in the ultra luxury topaz shimamoku trim on the first day it's available LOL.
There were? I didn't notice any.

I don't think there is any F-Sport Hybrid model in any market. F-Sport is pretty exclusive to just gas.
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Sakura
There were? I didn't notice any.

I don't think there is any F-Sport Hybrid model in any market. F-Sport is pretty exclusive to just gas.
In Europe hybrids have F-Sport version, and are probably best sellers.
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Levi
In Europe hybrids have F-Sport version, and are probably best sellers.
Of course, we won't get any other models but hybrid anyway
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Reviews are kicking in and they are great!

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This British reviewer has confused people since he thinks the ES is an E Class competitor, which it isn't and the source of all the complaints about flimsy and plasticky touch inside the car (to me the ES is better than the C class or 3 Series in terms of quality levels). In the European market, the ES doesn't have a direct competitor per se, as it is way longer than the C Class or 3 Series but comes at a relatively similar price. With this offering, the Lexus entry level sedan line up has two distinct categories, one for sporty, smaller and RWD (Lexus IS) and then the more comfy, roomier, larger Lexus ES.

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Sakura
There were? I didn't notice any.

I don't think there is any F-Sport Hybrid model in any market. F-Sport is pretty exclusive to just gas.
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VOILA lol...Notice F-sport and hybrid badges, and blue outline of L emblem...



There are other pics/videos floating around as well. Feel like NA got duped a little :(

At least the LS 500h is available with an F-sport trim
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is it a spare or a run flat?
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Bryan
is it a spare or a run flat?
It's a spare! Thank God

Saw it myself :)
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asoksevil
This British reviewer has confused people since he thinks the ES is an E Class competitor, which it isn't and the source of all the complaints about flimsy and plasticky touch inside the car (to me the ES is better than the C class or 3 Series in terms of quality levels). In the European market, the ES doesn't have a direct competitor per se, as it is way longer than the C Class or 3 Series but comes at a relatively similar price. With this offering, the Lexus entry level sedan line up has two distinct categories, one for sporty, smaller and RWD (Lexus IS) and then the more comfy, roomier, larger Lexus ES.

This is because Lexus EU calls it GS replacement... realistically this is what customers will be doing too.
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spwolf
This is because Lexus EU calls it GS replacement... realistically this is what customers will be doing too.
While it is "replacing" the GS as the model to be offered, it is not replacing the segment the GS was competing in. This message should also be conveyed thoroughly to EU customers because this car does not have the GS price tag but IS price, therefore, the quality is commensurate to that price. For instance, he was pointing out that some parts of the ES were flimsy while it wants on the A6. That comparison should have been made with the A4.
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Tragic Bronson
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2019-lexus-es/preview/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-lexus-es-first-drive-review
http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2019-lexus-es-first-drive-sporting-intentions
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus/es/2019/2019-lexus-es-first-drive-review/
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/la...lexus-es-350-es-300h-review-article-1.4020488
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/first-impressions/2019-lexus-es-first-drive.html
https://www.leftlanenews.com/first-drive-2019-lexus-es-sedan-100626.html
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/lexus/es/103684/new-lexus-es-2018-review
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/dri...review-the-quiet-comfort-of-the-new-lexus-es/
https://www.consumerreports.org/luxury-cars/all-new-2019-lexus-es-first-drive-review/
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asoksevil
While it is "replacing" the GS as the model to be offered, it is not replacing the segment the GS was competing in. This message should also be conveyed thoroughly to EU customers because this car does not have the GS price tag but IS price, therefore, the quality is commensurate to that price. For instance, he was pointing out that some parts of the ES were flimsy while it wants on the A6. That comparison should have been made with the A4.
I am pretty sure those parts were also due to preproduction status... And it is not his fault Lexus EU is comparing it to the GS.

I think it is very good thing and thats what sales people will do too - plus obviously there is a huge price differences between really well equipped A6/E/5.

But otherwise, most of these base models or at least under 60-70k models dont have overall nicer interior at all.
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spwolf
I am pretty sure those parts were also due to preproduction status... And it is not his fault Lexus EU is comparing it to the GS.

I think it is very good thing and thats what sales people will do too - plus obviously there is a huge price differences between really well equipped A6/E/5.

But otherwise, most of these base models or at least under 60-70k models dont have overall nicer interior at all.
As far as I know, Lexus told the press that the ES is competing against the C Class and 3 Series. The guy just heard that since they are discontinuing the GS in Europe, the ES would be replaced model (which it is) but does not occupy the same segment as the GS.

I too hope these preproduction defects are gone by the time it makes it to the final assembly, I would love to see how a product that costs £10-15 less can be an equal challenger. Similar to when the LS debuted and it was better than the S Class and far cheaper.
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Thank You Krew., for a really well done article. I will be on the look out for your review.
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For those of you that have driven both the Regular and the Sport how noticeable is the difference? Reviews seem to be mixed on the sport being anything more than the extra styling, which I do like but will be hard to justify the upgrade for just that..
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asoksevil
As far as I know, Lexus told the press that the ES is competing against the C Class and 3 Series. The guy just heard that since they are discontinuing the GS in Europe, the ES would be replaced model (which it is) but does not occupy the same segment as the GS.

I too hope these preproduction defects are gone by the time it makes it to the final assembly, I would love to see how a product that costs £10-15 less can be an equal challenger. Similar to when the LS debuted and it was better than the S Class and far cheaper.
No idea why Lexus said that - it makes them sound they like are high some strong drugs.

I don't think the Lexus ES competes with the C/3 at all...
1) The Lexus ES is marketed as a luxury sedan while the C-Class and 3 Series are "Entry-level luxury" sports sedans. The Lexus ES isn't really "entry-level". The Lexus IS is... The Lexus IS is the true competitor to the C300 and 3 Series.
2) The Lexus ES is much bigger than the C/3.
3) The Lexus ES is much more luxurious than the C/3. Half the stuff offered on the ES doesn't get offered on the C/3.
4) The Lexus ES is performance figures are not good enough to compete with the C/3. The Lexus ES350 does a 6.6 0-60 which is only .3 seconds quicker than the Lexus IS300 Turbo (6.9 seconds).
5) If its considered as the C/3 competitor, where does that leave the IS? If Lexus cancels the IS, that's a bad business move. They'll lose so much business because if someone wants a RWD Luxury Sedan from Lexus they have to buy the GS or LS... These people might just jump to MB/BMW for the lower-priced RWD Sedans.

The reason the Lexus ES is seen as a GS competitor is because the GS is removed from EU sales and the ES will be sold there for the first time. On top of the ES having similar sizing to the E-Class/5 Series and hold similar luxurious features.
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lsu5508
For those of you that have driven both the Regular and the Sport how noticeable is the difference? Reviews seem to be mixed on the sport being anything more than the extra styling, which I do like but will be hard to justify the upgrade for just that..
I'll write more about this in my review next week, but there's a weight to the ES F SPORT steering that is missing from the standard model. I feel very confident saying the ES F SPORT is the car to buy -- driving experience is much better, but not at the expense of ride quality.
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Sakura
No idea why Lexus said that - it makes them sound they like are high some strong drugs.

The reason the Lexus ES is seen as a GS competitor is because the GS is removed from EU sales and the ES will be sold there for the first time. On top of the ES having similar sizing to the E-Class/5 Series and hold similar luxurious features.
The ES may have the size and luxury level of the E Class/5 Series, but it will be priced like a C Class/3 Series. This is why Lexus uses entry-level models as the comparison, and also explains why the ES is so disruptive in the market. It's a lot of car for the money.
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krew
The ES may have the size and luxury level of the E Class/5 Series, but it will be priced like a C Class/3 Series. This is why Lexus uses entry-level models as the comparison, and also explains why the ES is so disruptive in the market. It's a lot of car for the money.
Yup. The Lexus ES has always priced pretty similarity to the C-Class and 3-Series. But I don't think that really justifies a good comparison between these 3 cars. Other than price, the ES is extremely different compared to the C-Class and 3-Series and couldn't be further apart in competition. The Lexus ES is more luxurious and spacious than the C-Class and 3-Series and its also lacks sportiness, performance, and RWD of the C/3.

However - I do see how the ES can be disruptive. Its offering E-Class/5-Series size and features for C-Class and 3-Series money. But to me - that's still a E-Class/5-Series competitor because they are under-cutting the E/5 competition to gain business.
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krew
The ES may have the size and luxury level of the E Class/5 Series, but it will be priced like a C Class/3 Series. This is why Lexus uses entry-level models as the comparison, and also explains why the ES is so disruptive in the market. It's a lot of car for the money.
Yup. The Lexus ES has always priced pretty similarity to the C-Class and 3-Series. But I don't think that really justifies a good comparison between these 3 cars. Other than price, the ES is extremely different compared to the C-Class and 3-Series and couldn't be further apart in competition. The Lexus ES is more luxurious and spacious than the C-Class and 3-Series and its also lacks sportiness, performance, and RWD of the C/3.

However - I do see how the ES can be disruptive. Its offering E-Class/5-Series size and features for C-Class and 3-Series money. But to me - that's still a E-Class/5-Series competitor because they are under-cutting the E/5 competition to gain business.
Ian Schmidt
The fact that it doesn't fit neatly in either class is precisely why it's so disruptive.

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