Lexus GS Sedan Not Going Anywhere, Will Continue Sales in North America

Posted by Kevin on June 12th, 2018

Lexus will continue to sell the GS sports sedan in North America for the foreseeable future, as confirmed with both Lexus USA and Lexus Canada.

“The Lexus GS has been an important part of the Lexus line-up since 1993 and we value its role as a sports sedan,” Lexus USA spokesperson Ed Hellwig explained over email. “We will continue to offer the GS in the United States, and will evaluate how best to meet our customers’ needs going forward.”

The future of the GS sports sedan was called into question recently when Lexus Europe discontinued the model due to new emission regulations. It will be replaced in the region by the new seventh-generation ES sedan.

Despite the promise of continued sales, there is no guarantee the GS will see a next-generation model. Lexus would not comment on future product plans.

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CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 21, 2017
krew
You'll have to allow me some dramatic flair when naming these stories -- I do have to draw in readers after all. No one can deny the 3GS was an early adopter of the four-door coupe style, but the 4GS went back to a more traditional 3-box design and lost that angle completely.
Sorry if it seemed I was specifically singling out your writing, not my intention :).

My post was meant more so to the comments by Lexus Australia CEO Peter McGregor. You're right, the GS did lose that angle with the 4GS, but I just find Peter McGregor's comments a bit ironic since a liftback/fastback/4 door coupe style is not new to the GS.
CIF
  • CIF
    CIF
  • August 21, 2017
krew
You'll have to allow me some dramatic flair when naming these stories -- I do have to draw in readers after all. No one can deny the 3GS was an early adopter of the four-door coupe style, but the 4GS went back to a more traditional 3-box design and lost that angle completely.
Sorry if it seemed I was specifically singling out your writing, not my intention :).

My post was meant more so to the comments by Lexus Australia CEO Peter McGregor. You're right, the GS did lose that angle with the 4GS, but I just find Peter McGregor's comments a bit ironic since a liftback/fastback/4 door coupe style is not new to the GS.
Michael
Lexus should do a A7 type of model or do hatchback versions of the IS and ES.
Michael
Lexus should do a A7 type of model or do hatchback versions of the IS and ES.
Michael
Lexus should do a A7 type of model or do hatchback versions of the IS and ES.
M
The GS can be a sedan/liftback version of the LC.

I agree with the notion of Lexus not doing their brand by having constant hiatus of their different lines. The GS, LS, and the CT will all have been on hiatus by 2020
M
The GS can be a sedan/liftback version of the LC.

I agree with the notion of Lexus not doing their brand by having constant hiatus of their different lines. The GS, LS, and the CT will all have been on hiatus by 2020
M
The GS can be a sedan/liftback version of the LC.

I agree with the notion of Lexus not doing their brand by having constant hiatus of their different lines. The GS, LS, and the CT will all have been on hiatus by 2020
krew
CIF
Sorry if it seemed I was specifically singling out your writing, not my intention :).

My post was meant more so to the comments by Lexus Australia CEO Peter McGregor. You're right, the GS did lose that angle with the 4GS, but I just find Peter McGregor's comments a bit ironic since a liftback/fastback/4 door coupe style is not new to the GS.
No worries! It's very telling to me that the original GoAuto article doesn't reference the 3GS either -- I bet McGregor was talking to journalists with no real sense of Lexus history. :D
krew
CIF
Sorry if it seemed I was specifically singling out your writing, not my intention :).

My post was meant more so to the comments by Lexus Australia CEO Peter McGregor. You're right, the GS did lose that angle with the 4GS, but I just find Peter McGregor's comments a bit ironic since a liftback/fastback/4 door coupe style is not new to the GS.
No worries! It's very telling to me that the original GoAuto article doesn't reference the 3GS either -- I bet McGregor was talking to journalists with no real sense of Lexus history. :D
krew
CIF
Sorry if it seemed I was specifically singling out your writing, not my intention :).

My post was meant more so to the comments by Lexus Australia CEO Peter McGregor. You're right, the GS did lose that angle with the 4GS, but I just find Peter McGregor's comments a bit ironic since a liftback/fastback/4 door coupe style is not new to the GS.
No worries! It's very telling to me that the original GoAuto article doesn't reference the 3GS either -- I bet McGregor was talking to journalists with no real sense of Lexus history. :D
mikeavelli
https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/2018-bmw-5-series.2783/#post-27900

New M5... 600hp, AWD but they do give the drive the option to totally disconnect the front axle for RWD....
mikeavelli
https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/2018-bmw-5-series.2783/#post-27900

New M5... 600hp, AWD but they do give the drive the option to totally disconnect the front axle for RWD....
mikeavelli
https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/2018-bmw-5-series.2783/#post-27900

New M5... 600hp, AWD but they do give the drive the option to totally disconnect the front axle for RWD....
Dreski
mikeavelli
https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/2018-bmw-5-series.2783/#post-27900

New M5... 600hp, AWD but they do give the drive the option to totally disconnect the front axle for RWD....
Just insane. Everyone gets hung up on power numbers but the weight reduction to this super sedan is going to be unbeatable. AMG and VW RS will make theirs 650hp with 590ftlb torq. Still won't cut it. M-5er is going to sit on the iron throne and will rule the 7 kingdoms.

I have zero faith that Lexus will deliver a proper GS F. This specific model/segment is already filled by the F10 (bmw, In my house). I switched a while ago after selling the GS. Don't think i will be looking back at all. GS has no future it seems. Even if they go full throttle development (d0ubt it) what can it offer against the King, M5? I cannot wait to buy this car. Still very much a Lexus fanboy and happy to commit to another Lexus model. IS F pls!
Dreski
mikeavelli
https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/2018-bmw-5-series.2783/#post-27900

New M5... 600hp, AWD but they do give the drive the option to totally disconnect the front axle for RWD....
Just insane. Everyone gets hung up on power numbers but the weight reduction to this super sedan is going to be unbeatable. AMG and VW RS will make theirs 650hp with 590ftlb torq. Still won't cut it. M-5er is going to sit on the iron throne and will rule the 7 kingdoms.

I have zero faith that Lexus will deliver a proper GS F. This specific model/segment is already filled by the F10 (bmw, In my house). I switched a while ago after selling the GS. Don't think i will be looking back at all. GS has no future it seems. Even if they go full throttle development (d0ubt it) what can it offer against the King, M5? I cannot wait to buy this car. Still very much a Lexus fanboy and happy to commit to another Lexus model. IS F pls!
Dreski
mikeavelli
https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/threads/2018-bmw-5-series.2783/#post-27900

New M5... 600hp, AWD but they do give the drive the option to totally disconnect the front axle for RWD....
Just insane. Everyone gets hung up on power numbers but the weight reduction to this super sedan is going to be unbeatable. AMG and VW RS will make theirs 650hp with 590ftlb torq. Still won't cut it. M-5er is going to sit on the iron throne and will rule the 7 kingdoms.

I have zero faith that Lexus will deliver a proper GS F. This specific model/segment is already filled by the F10 (bmw, In my house). I switched a while ago after selling the GS. Don't think i will be looking back at all. GS has no future it seems. Even if they go full throttle development (d0ubt it) what can it offer against the King, M5? I cannot wait to buy this car. Still very much a Lexus fanboy and happy to commit to another Lexus model. IS F pls!
maiaramdan
Finally a good news regarding my car
I really love the GS and I got 3 different generations from it
If it turns out to be a real 4 doors coupe it will be amazing, even I am afraid that he may want to say that it will turn out to compete with BMW 6 GT not BMW 6 GC, which making me worry as i recall in early days of this year one executive said that they want a station wagon
maiaramdan
Finally a good news regarding my car
I really love the GS and I got 3 different generations from it
If it turns out to be a real 4 doors coupe it will be amazing, even I am afraid that he may want to say that it will turn out to compete with BMW 6 GT not BMW 6 GC, which making me worry as i recall in early days of this year one executive said that they want a station wagon
maiaramdan
Finally a good news regarding my car
I really love the GS and I got 3 different generations from it
If it turns out to be a real 4 doors coupe it will be amazing, even I am afraid that he may want to say that it will turn out to compete with BMW 6 GT not BMW 6 GC, which making me worry as i recall in early days of this year one executive said that they want a station wagon
joepac
DDas
So, i actually thought about this yesterday - believe it or not - and I was thinking that the GS would be a perfect 4-door coupe. I always wanted the GS to stay as is, and Lexus could make the ES the 4-door coupe. But the ES is too "bread and butter" for it to become a more expensive vehicle. The reason why I thought the ES would fit it better is because it already has that almost lift back shape and almost a smaller version of the LS, but as I just said, it's too "bread and butter." Nothing wrong with that, of course.
The GS has such a big history that seeing it go will disappoint many Lexus and car enthusiasts, so I could see Lexus keeping the GS name and transforming it into something else. Lexus's top competitors, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, all have a 4-door coupes (A7, CLS, 6 Series Gran Coupe, respectively), and so I think Lexus would succeed having one too.
Anyways, it's nice to know the GS now has a good chance of staying alive, but if it does become the 4-door coupe, Lexus needs to understand that it may not sell as well as it used to. And here's to the ES becoming a sports sedan! Cheers!
The 4gs did not sell that well in the first place which was why all the rumors started of its demise. And the ES in FWD cannot be a "sports sedan"

Gecko
3GS was the best looking but worst driving, IMO. 4GS has been decent looking but the best driving. 2GS is a classic, and my favorite Lexus of all time.

Overall, excited with this news but Lexus should have been planning this strategy shift for the last 3-4 years, preparing to drop something into market around 2020.
I miss my 2gs (1998 GS400) too :(
joepac
DDas
So, i actually thought about this yesterday - believe it or not - and I was thinking that the GS would be a perfect 4-door coupe. I always wanted the GS to stay as is, and Lexus could make the ES the 4-door coupe. But the ES is too "bread and butter" for it to become a more expensive vehicle. The reason why I thought the ES would fit it better is because it already has that almost lift back shape and almost a smaller version of the LS, but as I just said, it's too "bread and butter." Nothing wrong with that, of course.
The GS has such a big history that seeing it go will disappoint many Lexus and car enthusiasts, so I could see Lexus keeping the GS name and transforming it into something else. Lexus's top competitors, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, all have a 4-door coupes (A7, CLS, 6 Series Gran Coupe, respectively), and so I think Lexus would succeed having one too.
Anyways, it's nice to know the GS now has a good chance of staying alive, but if it does become the 4-door coupe, Lexus needs to understand that it may not sell as well as it used to. And here's to the ES becoming a sports sedan! Cheers!
The 4gs did not sell that well in the first place which was why all the rumors started of its demise. And the ES in FWD cannot be a "sports sedan"

Gecko
3GS was the best looking but worst driving, IMO. 4GS has been decent looking but the best driving. 2GS is a classic, and my favorite Lexus of all time.

Overall, excited with this news but Lexus should have been planning this strategy shift for the last 3-4 years, preparing to drop something into market around 2020.
I miss my 2gs (1998 GS400) too :(
joepac
DDas
So, i actually thought about this yesterday - believe it or not - and I was thinking that the GS would be a perfect 4-door coupe. I always wanted the GS to stay as is, and Lexus could make the ES the 4-door coupe. But the ES is too "bread and butter" for it to become a more expensive vehicle. The reason why I thought the ES would fit it better is because it already has that almost lift back shape and almost a smaller version of the LS, but as I just said, it's too "bread and butter." Nothing wrong with that, of course.
The GS has such a big history that seeing it go will disappoint many Lexus and car enthusiasts, so I could see Lexus keeping the GS name and transforming it into something else. Lexus's top competitors, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, all have a 4-door coupes (A7, CLS, 6 Series Gran Coupe, respectively), and so I think Lexus would succeed having one too.
Anyways, it's nice to know the GS now has a good chance of staying alive, but if it does become the 4-door coupe, Lexus needs to understand that it may not sell as well as it used to. And here's to the ES becoming a sports sedan! Cheers!
The 4gs did not sell that well in the first place which was why all the rumors started of its demise. And the ES in FWD cannot be a "sports sedan"

Gecko
3GS was the best looking but worst driving, IMO. 4GS has been decent looking but the best driving. 2GS is a classic, and my favorite Lexus of all time.

Overall, excited with this news but Lexus should have been planning this strategy shift for the last 3-4 years, preparing to drop something into market around 2020.
I miss my 2gs (1998 GS400) too :(
D
  • D
    DDas
  • August 22, 2017
joepac
The 4gs did not sell that well in the first place which was why all the rumors started of its demise. And the ES in FWD cannot be a "sports sedan"
4GS sold decently - not great, yes - but not "not that well." Also, the ES is FWD, but if you actually read the article posted earlier about the next generation ES, it's changing to fit the GS's role.
D
  • D
    DDas
  • August 22, 2017
joepac
The 4gs did not sell that well in the first place which was why all the rumors started of its demise. And the ES in FWD cannot be a "sports sedan"
4GS sold decently - not great, yes - but not "not that well." Also, the ES is FWD, but if you actually read the article posted earlier about the next generation ES, it's changing to fit the GS's role.
D
  • D
    DDas
  • August 22, 2017
joepac
The 4gs did not sell that well in the first place which was why all the rumors started of its demise. And the ES in FWD cannot be a "sports sedan"
4GS sold decently - not great, yes - but not "not that well." Also, the ES is FWD, but if you actually read the article posted earlier about the next generation ES, it's changing to fit the GS's role.
joepac
DDas
4GS sold decently - not great, yes - but not "not that well." Also, the ES is FWD, but if you actually read the article posted earlier about the next generation ES, it's changing to fit the GS's role.

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/lexus/lexus-gs/

2017 was abysmal. 2014 to 2016 were not that great (not that well?) lol

Compare to one of its competitors the BMW 5 series

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-5-series/

Outsold the GS by 2-3x as much units sold. And continues to sell strong.

I mean it doesn't mean much to us Lexus folk but Lexus is a business and it can't waste money in R&D on a new chassis, powertrain etc. just to sell 1300 units per month and remain profitable.

The ES is still going to be FWD. Look at that profile pic in the article about the ES in camo. The front overhang and the back of the front fender give it away. They will not make the ES a RWD car... Maybe pull an Acura/Audi and make it FWD based AWD but still with a horizontally opposed engine and FWD dimensions-No thanks.

I hope the GS does become more like a A7, 6 Series level car but the ES based GS (if that really happens) may sell well among the AARP crowd but it will be no enthusiast car. The IS and GS are what Lexus has left for sports sedans. Hopefully the new Dynamic Force engines and new designs by 2019/2020 will truly put them on top beyond reliability and practicality.
joepac
DDas
4GS sold decently - not great, yes - but not "not that well." Also, the ES is FWD, but if you actually read the article posted earlier about the next generation ES, it's changing to fit the GS's role.

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/lexus/lexus-gs/

2017 was abysmal. 2014 to 2016 were not that great (not that well?) lol

Compare to one of its competitors the BMW 5 series

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-5-series/

Outsold the GS by 2-3x as much units sold. And continues to sell strong.

I mean it doesn't mean much to us Lexus folk but Lexus is a business and it can't waste money in R&D on a new chassis, powertrain etc. just to sell 1300 units per month and remain profitable.

The ES is still going to be FWD. Look at that profile pic in the article about the ES in camo. The front overhang and the back of the front fender give it away. They will not make the ES a RWD car... Maybe pull an Acura/Audi and make it FWD based AWD but still with a horizontally opposed engine and FWD dimensions-No thanks.

I hope the GS does become more like a A7, 6 Series level car but the ES based GS (if that really happens) may sell well among the AARP crowd but it will be no enthusiast car. The IS and GS are what Lexus has left for sports sedans. Hopefully the new Dynamic Force engines and new designs by 2019/2020 will truly put them on top beyond reliability and practicality.
joepac
DDas
4GS sold decently - not great, yes - but not "not that well." Also, the ES is FWD, but if you actually read the article posted earlier about the next generation ES, it's changing to fit the GS's role.

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/lexus/lexus-gs/

2017 was abysmal. 2014 to 2016 were not that great (not that well?) lol

Compare to one of its competitors the BMW 5 series

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-5-series/

Outsold the GS by 2-3x as much units sold. And continues to sell strong.

I mean it doesn't mean much to us Lexus folk but Lexus is a business and it can't waste money in R&D on a new chassis, powertrain etc. just to sell 1300 units per month and remain profitable.

The ES is still going to be FWD. Look at that profile pic in the article about the ES in camo. The front overhang and the back of the front fender give it away. They will not make the ES a RWD car... Maybe pull an Acura/Audi and make it FWD based AWD but still with a horizontally opposed engine and FWD dimensions-No thanks.

I hope the GS does become more like a A7, 6 Series level car but the ES based GS (if that really happens) may sell well among the AARP crowd but it will be no enthusiast car. The IS and GS are what Lexus has left for sports sedans. Hopefully the new Dynamic Force engines and new designs by 2019/2020 will truly put them on top beyond reliability and practicality.
krew
joepac
The ES is still going to be FWD. Look at that profile pic in the article about the ES in camo. The front overhang and the back of the front fender give it away. They will not make the ES a RWD car... Maybe pull an Acura/Audi and make it FWD based AWD but still with a horizontally opposed engine and FWD dimensions-No thanks.
I honestly think the toughest crowd to convince regarding the ES will be Lexus enthusiasts. I'm of the opinion that a full-time AWD system would transform the ES, but I have to wonder if it's enough to replace the GS.

Interesting times, to be sure.

K