Lexus GS Sedan Not Going Anywhere, Will Continue Sales in North America

CIF

God I truly hope not. If this rumored TT V8 ends up being two 8AR-FTS engines joined together, I'm just going to become a GM fan I swear.

What is WRONG with two 2.0L joining together?

Let's see: the 2.0l I-4 is 235 hp and 258 ft lb. This rumor engine has 590 hp which is 2.5 times more than the 2.0. If we use the same math for the torque then we have more than 645 ft lbs. This is a monster, eh?

CIF

God I truly hope not. If this rumored TT V8 ends up being two 8AR-FTS engines joined together, I'm just going to become a GM fan I swear.

What is WRONG with two 2.0L joining together?

Let's see: the 2.0l I-4 is 235 hp and 258 ft lb. This rumor engine has 590 hp which is 2.5 times more than the 2.0. If we use the same math for the torque then we have more than 645 ft lbs. This is a monster, eh?

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

CIF

I'm with Gecko that those rumored numbers don't make sense for a twin turbo V8. That torque number is only a little bit higher than the V35A TT V6 in the new LS.



God I truly hope not. If this rumored TT V8 ends up being two 8AR-FTS engines joined together, I'm just going to become a GM fan I swear.

Gecko

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

What is wrong with that?

The Toyota Land Cruiser's 4.5l V8 (1VD-FTV) is built from two 2.2l I4 (2AD-FTV). The latest Mercedes-AMG 4.0l V8 (M176/M177/178) that is now the performance engine of every AMG, be it sedan, SUV, or sportscar is built from two 2.0l I4 (M133), that started with the AMG A-Class and derivatives (CLA, GLA).

The whole BMW inline engines, from 3 to 6 cylinders, gasoline and diesel, Efficient Dynamcis or M Performance all have the same base. The new X3 M engine S58 is nothing more than modified I3 with double the cylinders count. What an engine based on has little to do with how the engine is engineered.

By the way, the 5.0l V8 (2UR) is at base not a pure performance engine either. It is the modifications (GSE) that count.

CIF

I'm with Gecko that those rumored numbers don't make sense for a twin turbo V8. That torque number is only a little bit higher than the V35A TT V6 in the new LS.



God I truly hope not. If this rumored TT V8 ends up being two 8AR-FTS engines joined together, I'm just going to become a GM fan I swear.

Gecko

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

What is wrong with that?

The Toyota Land Cruiser's 4.5l V8 (1VD-FTV) is built from two 2.2l I4 (2AD-FTV). The latest Mercedes-AMG 4.0l V8 (M176/M177/178) that is now the performance engine of every AMG, be it sedan, SUV, or sportscar is built from two 2.0l I4 (M133), that started with the AMG A-Class and derivatives (CLA, GLA).

The whole BMW inline engines, from 3 to 6 cylinders, gasoline and diesel, Efficient Dynamcis or M Performance all have the same base. The new X3 M engine S58 is nothing more than modified I3 with double the cylinders count. What an engine based on has little to do with how the engine is engineered.

By the way, the 5.0l V8 (2UR) is at base not a pure performance engine either. It is the modifications (GSE) that count.

CIF

I'm with Gecko that those rumored numbers don't make sense for a twin turbo V8. That torque number is only a little bit higher than the V35A TT V6 in the new LS.



God I truly hope not. If this rumored TT V8 ends up being two 8AR-FTS engines joined together, I'm just going to become a GM fan I swear.

Gecko

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

What is wrong with that?

The Toyota Land Cruiser's 4.5l V8 (1VD-FTV) is built from two 2.2l I4 (2AD-FTV). The latest Mercedes-AMG 4.0l V8 (M176/M177/178) that is now the performance engine of every AMG, be it sedan, SUV, or sportscar is built from two 2.0l I4 (M133), that started with the AMG A-Class and derivatives (CLA, GLA).

The whole BMW inline engines, from 3 to 6 cylinders, gasoline and diesel, Efficient Dynamcis or M Performance all have the same base. The new X3 M engine S58 is nothing more than modified I3 with double the cylinders count. What an engine based on has little to do with how the engine is engineered.

By the way, the 5.0l V8 (2UR) is at base not a pure performance engine either. It is the modifications (GSE) that count.

Levi

What is wrong with that?

The Toyota Land Cruiser's 4.5l V8 (1VD-FTV) is built from two 2.2l I4 (2AD-FTV). The latest Mercedes-AMG 4.0l V8 (M176/M177/178) that is now the performance engine of every AMG, be it sedan, SUV, or sportscar is built from two 2.0l I4 (M133), that started with the AMG A-Class and derivatives (CLA, GLA).

The whole BMW inline engines, from 3 to 6 cylinders, gasoline and diesel, Efficient Dynamcis or M Performance all have the same base. The new X3 M engine S58 is nothing more than modified I3 with double the cylinders count. What an engine based on has little to do with how the engine is engineered.

By the way, the 5.0l V8 (2UR) is at base not a pure performance engine either. It is the modifications (GSE) that count.

The AR 4 cyl dates back to 2008 and while it was revised for turbocharging duty in the 8AR-FTS, it's not a state of the art engine by any stretch. Lexus "doubling" a 10 year old economy-minded 4 cylinder engine to create a top-tier performance V8 doesn't really sound like a great idea to me.

I'm all for the modular engine designs that save money and engineering costs, but it is time for an all-new 4 cylinder. Thankfully, we have one in the A25A-FKS, and reviews of that engine on the Camry have been very positive. I am expecting all of these Dynamic Force engines to be state of the art with great performance - both in power and efficiency. AR has never been tops in either.

Levi

What is wrong with that?

The Toyota Land Cruiser's 4.5l V8 (1VD-FTV) is built from two 2.2l I4 (2AD-FTV). The latest Mercedes-AMG 4.0l V8 (M176/M177/178) that is now the performance engine of every AMG, be it sedan, SUV, or sportscar is built from two 2.0l I4 (M133), that started with the AMG A-Class and derivatives (CLA, GLA).

The whole BMW inline engines, from 3 to 6 cylinders, gasoline and diesel, Efficient Dynamcis or M Performance all have the same base. The new X3 M engine S58 is nothing more than modified I3 with double the cylinders count. What an engine based on has little to do with how the engine is engineered.

By the way, the 5.0l V8 (2UR) is at base not a pure performance engine either. It is the modifications (GSE) that count.

The AR 4 cyl dates back to 2008 and while it was revised for turbocharging duty in the 8AR-FTS, it's not a state of the art engine by any stretch. Lexus "doubling" a 10 year old economy-minded 4 cylinder engine to create a top-tier performance V8 doesn't really sound like a great idea to me.

I'm all for the modular engine designs that save money and engineering costs, but it is time for an all-new 4 cylinder. Thankfully, we have one in the A25A-FKS, and reviews of that engine on the Camry have been very positive. I am expecting all of these Dynamic Force engines to be state of the art with great performance - both in power and efficiency. AR has never been tops in either.

Levi

What is wrong with that?

The Toyota Land Cruiser's 4.5l V8 (1VD-FTV) is built from two 2.2l I4 (2AD-FTV). The latest Mercedes-AMG 4.0l V8 (M176/M177/178) that is now the performance engine of every AMG, be it sedan, SUV, or sportscar is built from two 2.0l I4 (M133), that started with the AMG A-Class and derivatives (CLA, GLA).

The whole BMW inline engines, from 3 to 6 cylinders, gasoline and diesel, Efficient Dynamcis or M Performance all have the same base. The new X3 M engine S58 is nothing more than modified I3 with double the cylinders count. What an engine based on has little to do with how the engine is engineered.

By the way, the 5.0l V8 (2UR) is at base not a pure performance engine either. It is the modifications (GSE) that count.

The AR 4 cyl dates back to 2008 and while it was revised for turbocharging duty in the 8AR-FTS, it's not a state of the art engine by any stretch. Lexus "doubling" a 10 year old economy-minded 4 cylinder engine to create a top-tier performance V8 doesn't really sound like a great idea to me.

I'm all for the modular engine designs that save money and engineering costs, but it is time for an all-new 4 cylinder. Thankfully, we have one in the A25A-FKS, and reviews of that engine on the Camry have been very positive. I am expecting all of these Dynamic Force engines to be state of the art with great performance - both in power and efficiency. AR has never been tops in either.

Twin Turbos are usually not high revving and produce tons of torque. A tradeoff of the N/A 5.0 is a higher redline but lower torque. Also look at the 4.8 V-10 LFA....

Twin Turbos are usually not high revving and produce tons of torque. A tradeoff of the N/A 5.0 is a higher redline but lower torque. Also look at the 4.8 V-10 LFA....

Twin Turbos are usually not high revving and produce tons of torque. A tradeoff of the N/A 5.0 is a higher redline but lower torque. Also look at the 4.8 V-10 LFA....

Gecko

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

Excellent point, and I was going to post this myself but forgot until I saw your post on it. Due to this fact, I remain extremely skeptical of this particular rumor.

Gecko

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

Excellent point, and I was going to post this myself but forgot until I saw your post on it. Due to this fact, I remain extremely skeptical of this particular rumor.

Gecko

8AR-FTS is not a Dynamic Force engine, so there's simply no way that would happen.

Excellent point, and I was going to post this myself but forgot until I saw your post on it. Due to this fact, I remain extremely skeptical of this particular rumor.

LEXUS Australia chief executive Peter McGregor has rejected reports that the next-generation GS large car has been cancelled, pointing instead to a possible evolution of the traditional sedan into a more fashionable coupe-style model.

The current, fourth-generation GS launched in Australia in 2012 and is due for imminent replacement, however Lexus globally has not yet communicated a timeline for the successor for its BMW 5 Series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class rival.

A report from Japanese magazine MagX earlier this year quoted an internal Lexus source saying that the next-generation GS had been cancelled, however that appears to be incorrect, according to Mr McGregor.

“I think it (new GS) would still be a four-door sedan in terms of its application, but the exterior styling may appear to be more liftback,” he told GoAuto at the national media launch of the Lexus LC in Tyabb, Victoria, this week.

“I’m not saying anything about the future, I’m just saying if you … want to talk about how we’re going to reinvigorate the sedan market, I think you can probably take a clue from the design of the next-generation LS.

“The styling of the vehicle is very much moving from a traditional three-box sedan, if you will, to more of a liftback body style. And I think that that change will actually add great appeal to the sedan market.”

While cautioning that he “can’t really speak about those future models” in detail, Mr McGregor admitted that even a new-generation GS would struggle to improve the overall fortunes of the large passenger car market.

“Do I think it (a new liftback) will reverse the trend to SUV?” he asked.

“No, I don’t. I think what we’re seeing with SUVs is going to be something that will be impacting our luxury market as it’s impacted luxury markets around the world for a period of time.

“But I don’t think that means that we give up on sedans at all.”

The $70K-plus large sedan and wagon market is up 37 per cent year-to-date, according to VFACTS May 2017 results, however this is entirely on the back of volume warfare between the just-released 5 Series (688 sales so far this year, up 196.6 per cent) and the barely older E-Class (876 units, up 135.5 per cent).

The fresh German duo have decimated rivals in the segment, with the Lexus GS down 17.4 per cent to 76 year-to-date sales, and the Audi A6 (129 units, falling 43.2 per cent) and Jaguar XF (98 sales, down 49.2 per cent) only slightly ahead.

Although the Lexus RX in the $70K-plus large SUV category has achieved 768 sales this year, down 6.7 per cent, according to Mr McGregor it is not a fait accompli that the Japanese luxury brand would abandon the large sedan market.

“It's pretty competitive,” he acknowledged of the situation.

“(But) the answer to that is not to withdraw, I don’t think. The answer to that is okay, our time will come, let’s make sure that we continue to offer great customer service and let’s make sure when our new product does arrive that they will understand the benefits of that product.” Asked whether Lexus dealers thought there was still room in showrooms for both the GS and its slightly smaller ES mid-size sedan sibling, Mr McGregor replied: “I think what dealers like is a full line-up.

“They want to be able to offer a competitive product that meets the market requirement in every key segment,” he continued.

“While we see the sedan segment in decline, and while we understand that based on competitive life cycles that sometimes that you have an older model while a competitor has a new model, and that impacts things, we understand that.”

The ES, which starts from $63,750 plus on-road costs compared with $76,220 for the GS, has recorded a slightly higher and steady 109 sales this year – down by a single unit compared with May last year.

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html

LEXUS Australia chief executive Peter McGregor has rejected reports that the next-generation GS large car has been cancelled, pointing instead to a possible evolution of the traditional sedan into a more fashionable coupe-style model.

The current, fourth-generation GS launched in Australia in 2012 and is due for imminent replacement, however Lexus globally has not yet communicated a timeline for the successor for its BMW 5 Series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class rival.

A report from Japanese magazine MagX earlier this year quoted an internal Lexus source saying that the next-generation GS had been cancelled, however that appears to be incorrect, according to Mr McGregor.

“I think it (new GS) would still be a four-door sedan in terms of its application, but the exterior styling may appear to be more liftback,” he told GoAuto at the national media launch of the Lexus LC in Tyabb, Victoria, this week.

“I’m not saying anything about the future, I’m just saying if you … want to talk about how we’re going to reinvigorate the sedan market, I think you can probably take a clue from the design of the next-generation LS.

“The styling of the vehicle is very much moving from a traditional three-box sedan, if you will, to more of a liftback body style. And I think that that change will actually add great appeal to the sedan market.”

While cautioning that he “can’t really speak about those future models” in detail, Mr McGregor admitted that even a new-generation GS would struggle to improve the overall fortunes of the large passenger car market.

“Do I think it (a new liftback) will reverse the trend to SUV?” he asked.

“No, I don’t. I think what we’re seeing with SUVs is going to be something that will be impacting our luxury market as it’s impacted luxury markets around the world for a period of time.

“But I don’t think that means that we give up on sedans at all.”

The $70K-plus large sedan and wagon market is up 37 per cent year-to-date, according to VFACTS May 2017 results, however this is entirely on the back of volume warfare between the just-released 5 Series (688 sales so far this year, up 196.6 per cent) and the barely older E-Class (876 units, up 135.5 per cent).

The fresh German duo have decimated rivals in the segment, with the Lexus GS down 17.4 per cent to 76 year-to-date sales, and the Audi A6 (129 units, falling 43.2 per cent) and Jaguar XF (98 sales, down 49.2 per cent) only slightly ahead.

Although the Lexus RX in the $70K-plus large SUV category has achieved 768 sales this year, down 6.7 per cent, according to Mr McGregor it is not a fait accompli that the Japanese luxury brand would abandon the large sedan market.

“It's pretty competitive,” he acknowledged of the situation.

“(But) the answer to that is not to withdraw, I don’t think. The answer to that is okay, our time will come, let’s make sure that we continue to offer great customer service and let’s make sure when our new product does arrive that they will understand the benefits of that product.” Asked whether Lexus dealers thought there was still room in showrooms for both the GS and its slightly smaller ES mid-size sedan sibling, Mr McGregor replied: “I think what dealers like is a full line-up.

“They want to be able to offer a competitive product that meets the market requirement in every key segment,” he continued.

“While we see the sedan segment in decline, and while we understand that based on competitive life cycles that sometimes that you have an older model while a competitor has a new model, and that impacts things, we understand that.”

The ES, which starts from $63,750 plus on-road costs compared with $76,220 for the GS, has recorded a slightly higher and steady 109 sales this year – down by a single unit compared with May last year.

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html

LEXUS Australia chief executive Peter McGregor has rejected reports that the next-generation GS large car has been cancelled, pointing instead to a possible evolution of the traditional sedan into a more fashionable coupe-style model.

The current, fourth-generation GS launched in Australia in 2012 and is due for imminent replacement, however Lexus globally has not yet communicated a timeline for the successor for its BMW 5 Series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class rival.

A report from Japanese magazine MagX earlier this year quoted an internal Lexus source saying that the next-generation GS had been cancelled, however that appears to be incorrect, according to Mr McGregor.

“I think it (new GS) would still be a four-door sedan in terms of its application, but the exterior styling may appear to be more liftback,” he told GoAuto at the national media launch of the Lexus LC in Tyabb, Victoria, this week.

“I’m not saying anything about the future, I’m just saying if you … want to talk about how we’re going to reinvigorate the sedan market, I think you can probably take a clue from the design of the next-generation LS.

“The styling of the vehicle is very much moving from a traditional three-box sedan, if you will, to more of a liftback body style. And I think that that change will actually add great appeal to the sedan market.”

While cautioning that he “can’t really speak about those future models” in detail, Mr McGregor admitted that even a new-generation GS would struggle to improve the overall fortunes of the large passenger car market.

“Do I think it (a new liftback) will reverse the trend to SUV?” he asked.

“No, I don’t. I think what we’re seeing with SUVs is going to be something that will be impacting our luxury market as it’s impacted luxury markets around the world for a period of time.

“But I don’t think that means that we give up on sedans at all.”

The $70K-plus large sedan and wagon market is up 37 per cent year-to-date, according to VFACTS May 2017 results, however this is entirely on the back of volume warfare between the just-released 5 Series (688 sales so far this year, up 196.6 per cent) and the barely older E-Class (876 units, up 135.5 per cent).

The fresh German duo have decimated rivals in the segment, with the Lexus GS down 17.4 per cent to 76 year-to-date sales, and the Audi A6 (129 units, falling 43.2 per cent) and Jaguar XF (98 sales, down 49.2 per cent) only slightly ahead.

Although the Lexus RX in the $70K-plus large SUV category has achieved 768 sales this year, down 6.7 per cent, according to Mr McGregor it is not a fait accompli that the Japanese luxury brand would abandon the large sedan market.

“It's pretty competitive,” he acknowledged of the situation.

“(But) the answer to that is not to withdraw, I don’t think. The answer to that is okay, our time will come, let’s make sure that we continue to offer great customer service and let’s make sure when our new product does arrive that they will understand the benefits of that product.” Asked whether Lexus dealers thought there was still room in showrooms for both the GS and its slightly smaller ES mid-size sedan sibling, Mr McGregor replied: “I think what dealers like is a full line-up.

“They want to be able to offer a competitive product that meets the market requirement in every key segment,” he continued.

“While we see the sedan segment in decline, and while we understand that based on competitive life cycles that sometimes that you have an older model while a competitor has a new model, and that impacts things, we understand that.”

The ES, which starts from $63,750 plus on-road costs compared with $76,220 for the GS, has recorded a slightly higher and steady 109 sales this year – down by a single unit compared with May last year.

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html

supra93

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html

The best looking GS IMO is still the 3GS i hope they can make the 5GS better than that.

supra93

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html

The best looking GS IMO is still the 3GS i hope they can make the 5GS better than that.

supra93

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexu...e-large-liftback-likely/2017-06-09/57412.html

The best looking GS IMO is still the 3GS i hope they can make the 5GS better than that.

Very good to hear this..many of us for years have stated the GS moving to a 4 door coupe/liftback makes a ton of sense. Audi now has the S5 sportback and S7 here. BMW has the 4 series hatch. The Panamera etc etc...

Very good to hear this..many of us for years have stated the GS moving to a 4 door coupe/liftback makes a ton of sense. Audi now has the S5 sportback and S7 here. BMW has the 4 series hatch. The Panamera etc etc...

Very good to hear this..many of us for years have stated the GS moving to a 4 door coupe/liftback makes a ton of sense. Audi now has the S5 sportback and S7 here. BMW has the 4 series hatch. The Panamera etc etc...

krew

Lexus Australia CEO gives insight into GS future.

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krew

Lexus Australia CEO gives insight into GS future.

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krew

Lexus Australia CEO gives insight into GS future.

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So, i actually thought about this yesterday - believe it or not - and I was thinking that the GS would be a perfect 4-door coupe. I always wanted the GS to stay as is, and Lexus could make the ES the 4-door coupe. But the ES is too "bread and butter" for it to become a more expensive vehicle. The reason why I thought the ES would fit it better is because it already has that almost lift back shape and almost a smaller version of the LS, but as I just said, it's too "bread and butter." Nothing wrong with that, of course.
The GS has such a big history that seeing it go will disappoint many Lexus and car enthusiasts, so I could see Lexus keeping the GS name and transforming it into something else. Lexus's top competitors, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, all have a 4-door coupes (A7, CLS, 6 Series Gran Coupe, respectively), and so I think Lexus would succeed having one too.
Anyways, it's nice to know the GS now has a good chance of staying alive, but if it does become the 4-door coupe, Lexus needs to understand that it may not sell as well as it used to. And here's to the ES becoming a sports sedan! Cheers!