Lexus GS Sedan Not Going Anywhere, Will Continue Sales in North America

Hey guys , Gecko! brother! What they are doing to the GS is a crime , but it’s not selling and that’s it . I looked at the Lexus website and your right . Chopping off all the extra to give you a near base car , smart really smart . I hope that they keep it as a limited edition , or redo it in the whole and make it a CLS , A7 competitor.

Hey guys , Gecko! brother! What they are doing to the GS is a crime , but it’s not selling and that’s it . I looked at the Lexus website and your right . Chopping off all the extra to give you a near base car , smart really smart . I hope that they keep it as a limited edition , or redo it in the whole and make it a CLS , A7 competitor.

Lexus, please do not cancel the GS line. Lexus can have a two prong approach to the mid-level sedan lines with the ES and GS lines. The ES line with it's soft, cushy and luxury feel and the GS for the sporty, performance oriented feel. Lexus is unique in this sense. Keep the GS line and position it where it's suppose to be with the likes of the 5 Series (530, 540, 550 & M5), E Class (E300, E400, E43 and E63), Audi A6/S6 then Lexus will see things happen. Build it like it's suppose to be and what them come. Don't give up Lexus!

GS 300
GS 350
GS 500
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GS F

Lexus, please do not cancel the GS line. Lexus can have a two prong approach to the mid-level sedan lines with the ES and GS lines. The ES line with it's soft, cushy and luxury feel and the GS for the sporty, performance oriented feel. Lexus is unique in this sense. Keep the GS line and position it where it's suppose to be with the likes of the 5 Series (530, 540, 550 & M5), E Class (E300, E400, E43 and E63), Audi A6/S6 then Lexus will see things happen. Build it like it's suppose to be and what them come. Don't give up Lexus!

GS 300
GS 350
GS 500
GS 500h
GS F

Lexus, please do not cancel the GS line. Lexus can have a two prong approach to the mid-level sedan lines with the ES and GS lines. The ES line with it's soft, cushy and luxury feel and the GS for the sporty, performance oriented feel. Lexus is unique in this sense. Keep the GS line and position it where it's suppose to be with the likes of the 5 Series (530, 540, 550 & M5), E Class (E300, E400, E43 and E63), Audi A6/S6 then Lexus will see things happen. Build it like it's suppose to be and what them come. Don't give up Lexus!

GS 300
GS 350
GS 500
GS 500h
GS F

Gecko

I have not seen any concrete information stating that GS development is progressing. I honestly do not expect it to return based on what I have heard.

Carmaker1 says otherwise, and I believe his word. All we can do is hope for the best. What Lexus is doing is diabolical, and they're taking away a sweetheart of Lexus' lineup. Shame though, they brought it upon themselves and they expect to see sales.

Gecko

I have not seen any concrete information stating that GS development is progressing. I honestly do not expect it to return based on what I have heard.

Carmaker1 says otherwise, and I believe his word. All we can do is hope for the best. What Lexus is doing is diabolical, and they're taking away a sweetheart of Lexus' lineup. Shame though, they brought it upon themselves and they expect to see sales.

Gecko

I have not seen any concrete information stating that GS development is progressing. I honestly do not expect it to return based on what I have heard.

Carmaker1 says otherwise, and I believe his word. All we can do is hope for the best. What Lexus is doing is diabolical, and they're taking away a sweetheart of Lexus' lineup. Shame though, they brought it upon themselves and they expect to see sales.

Here is hoping for the life of the GS . I see GSF’s holding value in the future.

Here is hoping for the life of the GS . I see GSF’s holding value in the future.

Here is hoping for the life of the GS . I see GSF’s holding value in the future.

Well with the ES growing HUGE, 113 inch wheelbase and 196 inches in length I have no idea what the plan for any GS is. I assume 4 door coupe or 4 door coupe SUV at this point.

I highly doubt a ES F is coming. I'm quite confused right now lol.

Well with the ES growing HUGE, 113 inch wheelbase and 196 inches in length I have no idea what the plan for any GS is. I assume 4 door coupe or 4 door coupe SUV at this point.

I highly doubt a ES F is coming. I'm quite confused right now lol.

Well with the ES growing HUGE, 113 inch wheelbase and 196 inches in length I have no idea what the plan for any GS is. I assume 4 door coupe or 4 door coupe SUV at this point.

I highly doubt a ES F is coming. I'm quite confused right now lol.

Maybe I'm too rational to understand how people wish that Lexus keep a business practice that doesn't work. Not having GS sucks, but they are not doing anything wrong to focus on other projects instead of the GS at the moment. Wouldn't you all agree that the new IS is a much higher priority than a new GS? Wouldn't you want them to update their terribly old BOF SUVs? We will probably have a GS reborn as an EV, among with many possibilities, who knows. But it's not a priority project so we will have to live with that.

Maybe I'm too rational to understand how people wish that Lexus keep a business practice that doesn't work. Not having GS sucks, but they are not doing anything wrong to focus on other projects instead of the GS at the moment. Wouldn't you all agree that the new IS is a much higher priority than a new GS? Wouldn't you want them to update their terribly old BOF SUVs? We will probably have a GS reborn as an EV, among with many possibilities, who knows. But it's not a priority project so we will have to live with that.

Maybe I'm too rational to understand how people wish that Lexus keep a business practice that doesn't work. Not having GS sucks, but they are not doing anything wrong to focus on other projects instead of the GS at the moment. Wouldn't you all agree that the new IS is a much higher priority than a new GS? Wouldn't you want them to update their terribly old BOF SUVs? We will probably have a GS reborn as an EV, among with many possibilities, who knows. But it's not a priority project so we will have to live with that.

mikeavelli

Well with the ES growing HUGE, 113 inch wheelbase and 196 inches in length I have no idea what the plan for any GS is. I assume 4 door coupe or 4 door coupe SUV at this point.

As far as I'm concerned, body-wise, there aren't any more true 4-door sedans any more, especially in the American market. They are pretty much all 4-door coupes today. Aerodynamics and style-fads have seen to that.

I highly doubt a ES F is coming. I'm quite confused right now lol.

Not much confusion about that. You can probably take it to the bank that there will be no ES-F...at least in the American market. If there is, I'll send you ten bottles of Scratch-Out LOL. :yum

mikeavelli

Well with the ES growing HUGE, 113 inch wheelbase and 196 inches in length I have no idea what the plan for any GS is. I assume 4 door coupe or 4 door coupe SUV at this point.

As far as I'm concerned, body-wise, there aren't any more true 4-door sedans any more, especially in the American market. They are pretty much all 4-door coupes today. Aerodynamics and style-fads have seen to that.

I highly doubt a ES F is coming. I'm quite confused right now lol.

Not much confusion about that. You can probably take it to the bank that there will be no ES-F...at least in the American market. If there is, I'll send you ten bottles of Scratch-Out LOL. :yum

mikeavelli

Well with the ES growing HUGE, 113 inch wheelbase and 196 inches in length I have no idea what the plan for any GS is. I assume 4 door coupe or 4 door coupe SUV at this point.

As far as I'm concerned, body-wise, there aren't any more true 4-door sedans any more, especially in the American market. They are pretty much all 4-door coupes today. Aerodynamics and style-fads have seen to that.

I highly doubt a ES F is coming. I'm quite confused right now lol.

Not much confusion about that. You can probably take it to the bank that there will be no ES-F...at least in the American market. If there is, I'll send you ten bottles of Scratch-Out LOL. :yum

It is not that I do not like '4 door coupes', but I dislike their execution, as much as I dislike the execution of most new 2 door coupes 4 seat coupe. I do not like sport back sloping window and trunk on anything with more than two seats, and even then some fail, like the AMG GT.

It is not that I do not like '4 door coupes', but I dislike their execution, as much as I dislike the execution of most new 2 door coupes 4 seat coupe. I do not like sport back sloping window and trunk on anything with more than two seats, and even then some fail, like the AMG GT.

It is not that I do not like '4 door coupes', but I dislike their execution, as much as I dislike the execution of most new 2 door coupes 4 seat coupe. I do not like sport back sloping window and trunk on anything with more than two seats, and even then some fail, like the AMG GT.

And it is curtains for the GS indeed. :mad: Despite having brought cancellation rumour to surface in late 2016 straight from Japan, I backtracked upon discussing it some months later with a few parties in spring 2017. Last week, I spoke with a Lexus UK rep who I ran into at a Lexus dealer outside London. He has confirmed for me, it will indeed be solely replaced by the ES. The L10 successor is no longer on schedule. In now reviewing recently updated industry database info for suppliers, some still say the same info and a few state "TBD".

The idea for the UK market, is to offer the new ES as a discount alternative to the G30 5-Series and W213 E-Class, just as the LS was targeted as a discount alternative to the W222 (and upcoming W223 S-Class), that sits between the E-class and S-Class. A new GS will no longer be coming this decade.

This idea works with LS (somewhat), but with the ES, I don't know about that at all. It is not convincing to me and a terribly cynical marketing exercise.

As for the next IS sedan, he has seen that car and it is roughly 2 years away (UK market). The RC might be absorbed into the 4IS lineup, by 2022. The possibility of forgoing the entry level luxury 2-door market was not answered directly by him, as product planning hasn't progressed to that point from what he currently knows.

Regarding the GS, I am very disappointed, after all this back and forth the past year. I want know why the individuals who confirmed 300B was coming last spring (to me privately), got their internal info from and how they missed any internal changes along the way. Especially if they attended internal showcases or had certain responsibilities, which provides privileged access.

And for those suggesting it will become a crossover, well...uhm...no it won't. :confused: Anything that uses the current nomenclature clearly will not bear the name GS, if anything other than a sedan. GX is already taken up, for the next 5 years at minimum, and GC =/= GS. GX will be updated heavily next year.

A 4-door, 4-seater sports car could bear the name GS though (just not next year at this point), but how do they justify the application of GS for a "coupe" model? Simply put, if the GS is dead as a 4-door sedan, it is simply GONE. A crossover will never be a GS, particularly when again, a nameplate factors in. The LF-1 under Project 650B will utilize flagship nomenclature and cannot use "S" in its naming. LX SportCross makes more sense. Mid-range crossover will clash with RX and NX and I don't see them doing such a model anyway, outside of a flagship model a la LF-1.

Unless this car is still being developed so much on the low as an extremely niche product (like Ford GT), I can't understand why a new GS-F was ongoing some months ago?:confused:

And it is curtains for the GS indeed. :mad: Despite having brought cancellation rumour to surface in late 2016 straight from Japan, I backtracked upon discussing it some months later with a few parties in spring 2017. Last week, I spoke with a Lexus UK rep who I ran into at a Lexus dealer outside London. He has confirmed for me, it will indeed be solely replaced by the ES. The L10 successor is no longer on schedule. In now reviewing recently updated industry database info for suppliers, some still say the same info and a few state "TBD".

The idea for the UK market, is to offer the new ES as a discount alternative to the G30 5-Series and W213 E-Class, just as the LS was targeted as a discount alternative to the W222 (and upcoming W223 S-Class), that sits between the E-class and S-Class. A new GS will no longer be coming this decade.

This idea works with LS (somewhat), but with the ES, I don't know about that at all. It is not convincing to me and a terribly cynical marketing exercise.

As for the next IS sedan, he has seen that car and it is roughly 2 years away (UK market). The RC might be absorbed into the 4IS lineup, by 2022. The possibility of forgoing the entry level luxury 2-door market was not answered directly by him, as product planning hasn't progressed to that point from what he currently knows.

Regarding the GS, I am very disappointed, after all this back and forth the past year. I want know why the individuals who confirmed 300B was coming last spring (to me privately), got their internal info from and how they missed any internal changes along the way. Especially if they attended internal showcases or had certain responsibilities, which provides privileged access.

And for those suggesting it will become a crossover, well...uhm...no it won't. :confused: Anything that uses the current nomenclature clearly will not bear the name GS, if anything other than a sedan. GX is already taken up, for the next 5 years at minimum, and GC =/= GS. GX will be updated heavily next year.

A 4-door, 4-seater sports car could bear the name GS though (just not next year at this point), but how do they justify the application of GS for a "coupe" model? Simply put, if the GS is dead as a 4-door sedan, it is simply GONE. A crossover will never be a GS, particularly when again, a nameplate factors in. The LF-1 under Project 650B will utilize flagship nomenclature and cannot use "S" in its naming. LX SportCross makes more sense. Mid-range crossover will clash with RX and NX and I don't see them doing such a model anyway, outside of a flagship model a la LF-1.

Unless this car is still being developed so much on the low as an extremely niche product (like Ford GT), I can't understand why a new GS-F was ongoing some months ago?:confused:

And it is curtains for the GS indeed. :mad: Despite having brought cancellation rumour to surface in late 2016 straight from Japan, I backtracked upon discussing it some months later with a few parties in spring 2017. Last week, I spoke with a Lexus UK rep who I ran into at a Lexus dealer outside London. He has confirmed for me, it will indeed be solely replaced by the ES. The L10 successor is no longer on schedule. In now reviewing recently updated industry database info for suppliers, some still say the same info and a few state "TBD".

The idea for the UK market, is to offer the new ES as a discount alternative to the G30 5-Series and W213 E-Class, just as the LS was targeted as a discount alternative to the W222 (and upcoming W223 S-Class), that sits between the E-class and S-Class. A new GS will no longer be coming this decade.

This idea works with LS (somewhat), but with the ES, I don't know about that at all. It is not convincing to me and a terribly cynical marketing exercise.

As for the next IS sedan, he has seen that car and it is roughly 2 years away (UK market). The RC might be absorbed into the 4IS lineup, by 2022. The possibility of forgoing the entry level luxury 2-door market was not answered directly by him, as product planning hasn't progressed to that point from what he currently knows.

Regarding the GS, I am very disappointed, after all this back and forth the past year. I want know why the individuals who confirmed 300B was coming last spring (to me privately), got their internal info from and how they missed any internal changes along the way. Especially if they attended internal showcases or had certain responsibilities, which provides privileged access.

And for those suggesting it will become a crossover, well...uhm...no it won't. :confused: Anything that uses the current nomenclature clearly will not bear the name GS, if anything other than a sedan. GX is already taken up, for the next 5 years at minimum, and GC =/= GS. GX will be updated heavily next year.

A 4-door, 4-seater sports car could bear the name GS though (just not next year at this point), but how do they justify the application of GS for a "coupe" model? Simply put, if the GS is dead as a 4-door sedan, it is simply GONE. A crossover will never be a GS, particularly when again, a nameplate factors in. The LF-1 under Project 650B will utilize flagship nomenclature and cannot use "S" in its naming. LX SportCross makes more sense. Mid-range crossover will clash with RX and NX and I don't see them doing such a model anyway, outside of a flagship model a la LF-1.

Unless this car is still being developed so much on the low as an extremely niche product (like Ford GT), I can't understand why a new GS-F was ongoing some months ago?:confused:

Don't know what to think. But FWD does gain 'acceptance', with BMW having and selling loads of FWD cars, and Nissan/Infiniti having a FWD only lineup, until the GT-R stopped production, and without counting the RWD BOF cars. Mitsubishi is mostly FWD, with exception of the old Pajero, and of course the RWD BOF platform.

From a business perspective, LS and ES are the best and only selling sedans. Low budget sedans do sell too, but those can be had from Toyota, namely the Corolla. I think Lexus will have only two sedans. Maybe the IS/GS sporty RWD will merged into one, sized somewhere in between, and be a kind of Audi A5 Sportsback / Kia Stinger GT. A5 Sportback is the best selling A5. Rumors are A5 and TT will merged in one FWD based 2+2 A4 Coupe/Convertible.

Don't know what to think. But FWD does gain 'acceptance', with BMW having and selling loads of FWD cars, and Nissan/Infiniti having a FWD only lineup, until the GT-R stopped production, and without counting the RWD BOF cars. Mitsubishi is mostly FWD, with exception of the old Pajero, and of course the RWD BOF platform.

From a business perspective, LS and ES are the best and only selling sedans. Low budget sedans do sell too, but those can be had from Toyota, namely the Corolla. I think Lexus will have only two sedans. Maybe the IS/GS sporty RWD will merged into one, sized somewhere in between, and be a kind of Audi A5 Sportsback / Kia Stinger GT. A5 Sportback is the best selling A5. Rumors are A5 and TT will merged in one FWD based 2+2 A4 Coupe/Convertible.

Don't know what to think. But FWD does gain 'acceptance', with BMW having and selling loads of FWD cars, and Nissan/Infiniti having a FWD only lineup, until the GT-R stopped production, and without counting the RWD BOF cars. Mitsubishi is mostly FWD, with exception of the old Pajero, and of course the RWD BOF platform.

From a business perspective, LS and ES are the best and only selling sedans. Low budget sedans do sell too, but those can be had from Toyota, namely the Corolla. I think Lexus will have only two sedans. Maybe the IS/GS sporty RWD will merged into one, sized somewhere in between, and be a kind of Audi A5 Sportsback / Kia Stinger GT. A5 Sportback is the best selling A5. Rumors are A5 and TT will merged in one FWD based 2+2 A4 Coupe/Convertible.

Carmaker1

And it is curtains for the GS indeed. :mad: Despite having brought cancellation rumour to surface in late 2016 straight from Japan, I backtracked upon discussing it some months later with a few parties in spring 2017. Last week, I spoke with a Lexus UK rep who I ran into at a Lexus dealer outside London. He has confirmed for me, it will indeed be solely replaced by the ES. The L10 successor is no longer on schedule. In now reviewing recently updated industry database info for suppliers, some still say the same info and a few state "TBD".

The idea for the UK market, is to offer the new ES as a discount alternative to the G30 5-Series and W213 E-Class, just as the LS was targeted as a discount alternative to the W222 (and upcoming W223 S-Class), that sits between the E-class and S-Class. A new GS will no longer be coming this decade.

This idea works with LS (somewhat), but with the ES, I don't know about that at all. It is not convincing to me and a terribly cynical marketing exercise.

As for the next IS sedan, he has seen that car and it is roughly 2 years away (UK market). The RC might be absorbed into the 4IS lineup, by 2022. The possibility of forgoing the entry level luxury 2-door market was not answered directly by him, as it product planning hasn't progressed to that point from what he currently knows.

Regarding the GS, I am very disappointed, after all this back and forth the past year. I want know why the individuals who confirmed 300B was coming last spring (to me privately), got their internal info from and how they missed any internal changes along the way. Especially if they attended internal showcases or had certain responsibilities, which provides privileged access.

And for those suggesting it will become a crossover, well...uhm...no it won't. :confused: Anything that uses the current nomenclature clearly will not bear the name GS, if anything other than a sedan. GX is already taken up, for the next 5 years at minimum, and GC =/= GS.

A 4-door, 4-seater sports car could bear the name GS though. Just not next year at this point. Simply put, if the GS is dead as a 4-door sedan, it is simply GONE. A crossover will never be a GS, particularly when a nameplate factors in. The LF-1 under Project 650B will utilize flagship nomenclature and cannot use "S" in its naming. LX SportCross makes more sense. Midsize RWD crossover will clash with RX and NX and I don't see them doing such a model anyway, outside of a flagship model a la LF-1.

Unless this car is still being developed so much on the low as an extremely niche product (like Ford GT), I can't understand why a new GS-F was ongoing some months ago?:confused:

Could not agree with you more - great post. All signs point to a late term termination for the GS project - no AWD on ES, last year Gazoo was quoted saying they were working on chassis and dynamics for next gen GS F, multitude of other things.

Funny thing to me is that Toyota has stated that sedans need to offer a unique driving experience that you can't get from CUVs - aka more engaging, sportier and more connected. Then they cancel RWD GS and push forward FWD ES.

As a premium brand with a high performance arm, using a midsize RWD GA-L platform (even if they changed the name to ES) makes a lot more business sense. Sharing costs, parts, platforms and powertrains with IS, LS, LC, LF-1 allows for a much greater opportunity to "scale up" for Lexus than "scaling down" by using Toyota FWD platforms.