Lexus LC F to Debut in 2021 with Over 600 Horsepower?

Posted by Kevin on May 29th, 2018

Car & Driver has joined the Lexus LC F rumor mill, claiming that the high-performance coupe will debut in 2021 with a twin-turbo 4.0L V8 “making north of 600 horsepower”. The magazine also expects a 10-speed automatic, plus updates to the torque-vectoring differential and Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system.

There are other details as well: The LC F will be outfitted with carbon fiber and other lightweight materials to reduce mass, the front and rear will get an aggressive update, and there will be vents in both the hood and fenders.

There’s even speculation on the price — Car & Driver suggests the LC F will have an MSRP approaching $200,000 USD.

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RichieRich
ssun30
Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.
That's my thinking. But definitely a V8, between 4.0 - 5.0 L TT . Lexus will get close too/at/ or above the target 600HP with motors in that range.
PeterF
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I should say first that I'm no expert on the time it takes to transform a car into a F version, especially something so new like the LC. The LC was available for orders in early January 2017 with deliveries starting in early May. If the LC F is in production for deliveries in early 2020 that would be a 2.5 year gap, which doesn't seem like too much of a time lag. I would guess that they starting designing the LC F in late 2016. It must take some time to develop this car into a F version. So, I am not surprised with the delay.

regarding not revealing much in terms of details, this seems to be typical of Lexus and, perhaps, many high end lux cars (just my relatively uniformed opinion). As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8; I have heard speculation that the engine will essentially be a fusion of 2 TTV4 engines (can't recall which engine from which model).

I think there will be considerable further development of the transmission. I can't see that they will just use the new 10 speed trans without modifying it a bit (the GTR NISMO has a dual clutch transmission). The new 10 speed is just not made to handle the kinds of demands of continued high performance driving. In addition, the suspension on the LC is new and excellent, but I also think that to move the LC into an F performance car, they will need to tweak that suspension more (Porsche continues to tweak the suspension of the 911 GT3; their new one for the GT3 Rs seems awesome.

Finally, they must shed weight off the LC. All of the luxury gear weight a lot and I wonder whether they will cut some of that this; they certainly will add more carbon fiber. They would have to shed 400+ pounds to bring it close to the 3911 lbs of the GTR Nismo.

whatever the case, it's fun to speculate and we are sure to see some mules out and about early 2019 if not late 2018.
PeterF
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I should say first that I'm no expert on the time it takes to transform a car into a F version, especially something so new like the LC. The LC was available for orders in early January 2017 with deliveries starting in early May. If the LC F is in production for deliveries in early 2020 that would be a 2.5 year gap, which doesn't seem like too much of a time lag. I would guess that they starting designing the LC F in late 2016. It must take some time to develop this car into a F version. So, I am not surprised with the delay.

regarding not revealing much in terms of details, this seems to be typical of Lexus and, perhaps, many high end lux cars (just my relatively uniformed opinion). As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8; I have heard speculation that the engine will essentially be a fusion of 2 TTV4 engines (can't recall which engine from which model).

I think there will be considerable further development of the transmission. I can't see that they will just use the new 10 speed trans without modifying it a bit (the GTR NISMO has a dual clutch transmission). The new 10 speed is just not made to handle the kinds of demands of continued high performance driving. In addition, the suspension on the LC is new and excellent, but I also think that to move the LC into an F performance car, they will need to tweak that suspension more (Porsche continues to tweak the suspension of the 911 GT3; their new one for the GT3 Rs seems awesome.

Finally, they must shed weight off the LC. All of the luxury gear weight a lot and I wonder whether they will cut some of that this; they certainly will add more carbon fiber. They would have to shed 400+ pounds to bring it close to the 3911 lbs of the GTR Nismo.

whatever the case, it's fun to speculate and we are sure to see some mules out and about early 2019 if not late 2018.
PeterF
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I should say first that I'm no expert on the time it takes to transform a car into a F version, especially something so new like the LC. The LC was available for orders in early January 2017 with deliveries starting in early May. If the LC F is in production for deliveries in early 2020 that would be a 2.5 year gap, which doesn't seem like too much of a time lag. I would guess that they starting designing the LC F in late 2016. It must take some time to develop this car into a F version. So, I am not surprised with the delay.

regarding not revealing much in terms of details, this seems to be typical of Lexus and, perhaps, many high end lux cars (just my relatively uniformed opinion). As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8; I have heard speculation that the engine will essentially be a fusion of 2 TTV4 engines (can't recall which engine from which model).

I think there will be considerable further development of the transmission. I can't see that they will just use the new 10 speed trans without modifying it a bit (the GTR NISMO has a dual clutch transmission). The new 10 speed is just not made to handle the kinds of demands of continued high performance driving. In addition, the suspension on the LC is new and excellent, but I also think that to move the LC into an F performance car, they will need to tweak that suspension more (Porsche continues to tweak the suspension of the 911 GT3; their new one for the GT3 Rs seems awesome.

Finally, they must shed weight off the LC. All of the luxury gear weight a lot and I wonder whether they will cut some of that this; they certainly will add more carbon fiber. They would have to shed 400+ pounds to bring it close to the 3911 lbs of the GTR Nismo.

whatever the case, it's fun to speculate and we are sure to see some mules out and about early 2019 if not late 2018.
PeterF
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I should say first that I'm no expert on the time it takes to transform a car into a F version, especially something so new like the LC. The LC was available for orders in early January 2017 with deliveries starting in early May. If the LC F is in production for deliveries in early 2020 that would be a 2.5 year gap, which doesn't seem like too much of a time lag. I would guess that they starting designing the LC F in late 2016. It must take some time to develop this car into a F version. So, I am not surprised with the delay.

regarding not revealing much in terms of details, this seems to be typical of Lexus and, perhaps, many high end lux cars (just my relatively uniformed opinion). As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8; I have heard speculation that the engine will essentially be a fusion of 2 TTV4 engines (can't recall which engine from which model).

I think there will be considerable further development of the transmission. I can't see that they will just use the new 10 speed trans without modifying it a bit (the GTR NISMO has a dual clutch transmission). The new 10 speed is just not made to handle the kinds of demands of continued high performance driving. In addition, the suspension on the LC is new and excellent, but I also think that to move the LC into an F performance car, they will need to tweak that suspension more (Porsche continues to tweak the suspension of the 911 GT3; their new one for the GT3 Rs seems awesome.

Finally, they must shed weight off the LC. All of the luxury gear weight a lot and I wonder whether they will cut some of that this; they certainly will add more carbon fiber. They would have to shed 400+ pounds to bring it close to the 3911 lbs of the GTR Nismo.

whatever the case, it's fun to speculate and we are sure to see some mules out and about early 2019 if not late 2018.
PeterF
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I should say first that I'm no expert on the time it takes to transform a car into a F version, especially something so new like the LC. The LC was available for orders in early January 2017 with deliveries starting in early May. If the LC F is in production for deliveries in early 2020 that would be a 2.5 year gap, which doesn't seem like too much of a time lag. I would guess that they starting designing the LC F in late 2016. It must take some time to develop this car into a F version. So, I am not surprised with the delay.

regarding not revealing much in terms of details, this seems to be typical of Lexus and, perhaps, many high end lux cars (just my relatively uniformed opinion). As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8; I have heard speculation that the engine will essentially be a fusion of 2 TTV4 engines (can't recall which engine from which model).

I think there will be considerable further development of the transmission. I can't see that they will just use the new 10 speed trans without modifying it a bit (the GTR NISMO has a dual clutch transmission). The new 10 speed is just not made to handle the kinds of demands of continued high performance driving. In addition, the suspension on the LC is new and excellent, but I also think that to move the LC into an F performance car, they will need to tweak that suspension more (Porsche continues to tweak the suspension of the 911 GT3; their new one for the GT3 Rs seems awesome.

Finally, they must shed weight off the LC. All of the luxury gear weight a lot and I wonder whether they will cut some of that this; they certainly will add more carbon fiber. They would have to shed 400+ pounds to bring it close to the 3911 lbs of the GTR Nismo.

whatever the case, it's fun to speculate and we are sure to see some mules out and about early 2019 if not late 2018.
RichieRich
PeterF
As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8;
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
RichieRich
PeterF
As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8;
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
RichieRich
PeterF
As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8;
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
RichieRich
PeterF
As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8;
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
RichieRich
PeterF
As far as whether it will be a V8, somewhere I read that they want the LCF to compete with the GTR Nismo, which actually has a V6TT 3.8 l engine, so it does make me wonder whether they will use a TTV6. HOWEVER, IMHO it will be a TTV8;
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
PeterF
RichieRich
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
PeterF
RichieRich
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
PeterF
RichieRich
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
PeterF
RichieRich
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
PeterF
RichieRich
Lexus could easily build a V6TT Engine to compete with the GTR Nismo and others. IMO, I think if they don't have a V8 in the lineup, especially in the F cars, they will here/receive so many negative reviews for not having a V8 engine. Even if they built a V6TT with more HP, more torque, and faster than the competition.
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
PeterF
this is my favorite rendering of the LC F
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PeterF
this is my favorite rendering of the LC F
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PeterF
this is my favorite rendering of the LC F
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PeterF
this is my favorite rendering of the LC F
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this is my favorite rendering of the LC F
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ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I’m actually expect the 3.5TT V6 with strong electronic motors. Reasons are:
1. The TT V8 will only be on LC F, possibly LS F and maybe GS F but this is still a waste of resources if you look at TMC’s long tradition of sharing limited engines amongst all the models
The new 3.5TT is supposed to replace 5.0v8. It was announced with quite emphasis. I’ll be surprised to see it only on LS, RC F, and GS F.
2. Honda can do it, TMC can do it. TOyota actually need a hybrid supercar to remind the public about who’s the king in hybrid power train technology and the best way? Make a super car.
3. We go back to the LC itself. Having a electrical AWD systems helps in the weight distribution as batteries can be placed in the back, saving the weight for extra first power transmission, and handling, power to the ground as all AWDs does.
A
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I’m actually expect the 3.5TT V6 with strong electronic motors. Reasons are:
1. The TT V8 will only be on LC F, possibly LS F and maybe GS F but this is still a waste of resources if you look at TMC’s long tradition of sharing limited engines amongst all the models
The new 3.5TT is supposed to replace 5.0v8. It was announced with quite emphasis. I’ll be surprised to see it only on LS, RC F, and GS F.
2. Honda can do it, TMC can do it. TOyota actually need a hybrid supercar to remind the public about who’s the king in hybrid power train technology and the best way? Make a super car.
3. We go back to the LC itself. Having a electrical AWD systems helps in the weight distribution as batteries can be placed in the back, saving the weight for extra first power transmission, and handling, power to the ground as all AWDs does.
A
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I’m actually expect the 3.5TT V6 with strong electronic motors. Reasons are:
1. The TT V8 will only be on LC F, possibly LS F and maybe GS F but this is still a waste of resources if you look at TMC’s long tradition of sharing limited engines amongst all the models
The new 3.5TT is supposed to replace 5.0v8. It was announced with quite emphasis. I’ll be surprised to see it only on LS, RC F, and GS F.
2. Honda can do it, TMC can do it. TOyota actually need a hybrid supercar to remind the public about who’s the king in hybrid power train technology and the best way? Make a super car.
3. We go back to the LC itself. Having a electrical AWD systems helps in the weight distribution as batteries can be placed in the back, saving the weight for extra first power transmission, and handling, power to the ground as all AWDs does.
A
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I’m actually expect the 3.5TT V6 with strong electronic motors. Reasons are:
1. The TT V8 will only be on LC F, possibly LS F and maybe GS F but this is still a waste of resources if you look at TMC’s long tradition of sharing limited engines amongst all the models
The new 3.5TT is supposed to replace 5.0v8. It was announced with quite emphasis. I’ll be surprised to see it only on LS, RC F, and GS F.
2. Honda can do it, TMC can do it. TOyota actually need a hybrid supercar to remind the public about who’s the king in hybrid power train technology and the best way? Make a super car.
3. We go back to the LC itself. Having a electrical AWD systems helps in the weight distribution as batteries can be placed in the back, saving the weight for extra first power transmission, and handling, power to the ground as all AWDs does.
A
ssun30
Hmm...they are taking their sweet time aren't they? Maybe at one point they determined doing 'another 600hp V8TT but five years late' could not make it stand out and are now investigating other powertrain options.

It's really fishy that there has not been any solid confirmation on a V8 in the works. All information surrounding it has been speculations. The more I think about it, the more it begins to make sense that TMC no longer wants a V8.
I’m actually expect the 3.5TT V6 with strong electronic motors. Reasons are:
1. The TT V8 will only be on LC F, possibly LS F and maybe GS F but this is still a waste of resources if you look at TMC’s long tradition of sharing limited engines amongst all the models
The new 3.5TT is supposed to replace 5.0v8. It was announced with quite emphasis. I’ll be surprised to see it only on LS, RC F, and GS F.
2. Honda can do it, TMC can do it. TOyota actually need a hybrid supercar to remind the public about who’s the king in hybrid power train technology and the best way? Make a super car.
3. We go back to the LC itself. Having a electrical AWD systems helps in the weight distribution as batteries can be placed in the back, saving the weight for extra first power transmission, and handling, power to the ground as all AWDs does.
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PeterF
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
I do not see how TTV8 can distinguish it from others, when today every top luxury performance car has a TTV8 (not V10, V12), from VAG (Porsche, Lambo, Bentley) to Ferrari/Maserati, McLaren, Aston Martin, Mercedes-AMG, GM, FCA, etc.

Two exceptions: Nissan GT-R and Honda NSX with both TTV6.
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PeterF
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
I do not see how TTV8 can distinguish it from others, when today every top luxury performance car has a TTV8 (not V10, V12), from VAG (Porsche, Lambo, Bentley) to Ferrari/Maserati, McLaren, Aston Martin, Mercedes-AMG, GM, FCA, etc.

Two exceptions: Nissan GT-R and Honda NSX with both TTV6.
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PeterF
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
I do not see how TTV8 can distinguish it from others, when today every top luxury performance car has a TTV8 (not V10, V12), from VAG (Porsche, Lambo, Bentley) to Ferrari/Maserati, McLaren, Aston Martin, Mercedes-AMG, GM, FCA, etc.

Two exceptions: Nissan GT-R and Honda NSX with both TTV6.
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PeterF
I completely agree. People will have a fit if its a TTV6. A TTV8 will distinguish it from others; also, they coukd get way more than 600 HP out of a TTV8; A LCF would be very distinctive at 650+ HP
I do not see how TTV8 can distinguish it from others, when today every top luxury performance car has a TTV8 (not V10, V12), from VAG (Porsche, Lambo, Bentley) to Ferrari/Maserati, McLaren, Aston Martin, Mercedes-AMG, GM, FCA, etc.

Two exceptions: Nissan GT-R and Honda NSX with both TTV6.

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