Lexus LC F to Debut in 2021 with Over 600 Horsepower?

Posted by Kevin on May 29th, 2018

Car & Driver has joined the Lexus LC F rumor mill, claiming that the high-performance coupe will debut in 2021 with a twin-turbo 4.0L V8 “making north of 600 horsepower”. The magazine also expects a 10-speed automatic, plus updates to the torque-vectoring differential and Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system.

There are other details as well: The LC F will be outfitted with carbon fiber and other lightweight materials to reduce mass, the front and rear will get an aggressive update, and there will be vents in both the hood and fenders.

There’s even speculation on the price — Car & Driver suggests the LC F will have an MSRP approaching $200,000 USD.

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maiaramdan
Logic somehow
But I think 620hp will be the correct answer plus or minus 5
maiaramdan
Logic somehow
But I think 620hp will be the correct answer plus or minus 5
LexusTechSA
I can't wait to see what they do with it. If there are rumors of a new GS F then there should also be a new GS to go with it.
LexusTechSA
I can't wait to see what they do with it. If there are rumors of a new GS F then there should also be a new GS to go with it.
LexusTechSA
I can't wait to see what they do with it. If there are rumors of a new GS F then there should also be a new GS to go with it.
PeterF
wow, looks great. I would assume that they have further developed the suspension and steering. I must say that it is more expensive than I anticipated, $178k is now out of my reach.
PeterF
wow, looks great. I would assume that they have further developed the suspension and steering. I must say that it is more expensive than I anticipated, $178k is now out of my reach.
PeterF
wow, looks great. I would assume that they have further developed the suspension and steering. I must say that it is more expensive than I anticipated, $178k is now out of my reach.
Alexander Li
The LC is certainly heavy, so I'm pretty curious to see what they come up with to shave off some of that weight. If we're going to have to wait for another 2 years, make it lighter with tons of aluminum and CFRP in the chassis and perhaps most of the car itself.
The GT-R Nismo starts at about $175,000 dollars, so I'd expect the LC F to cost about the same. Fortunately, with this new turbocharged-eight, a detuned version could liked fall in the hands of the next generation GS F, and bring it up to standard. I'll assume that they'll use even stickier tires as well.
If the GS F gets the F engine, then the old 2UR-GSE one will likely replace the GS 350 model and move that one down, to compare to the BMW 550i and the V6 to the 530i. All speculation.
The weight problem is the biggest issue. If Lexus can still maintain a front mid-engined rear-wheel drive layout with the large 4.0 liter sitting behind the wheels, the vehicle should plow a lot less. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires or Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires are likely going to be used as well, but specially developed to be run-flats. Lexus has been adamant against offering carbon ceramic brakes, so enormous 8-piston brakes might be an option.
If Lexus is benchmarking the GTR Nismo, a car with 0-60 times of 2.8 seconds, then the LC F will be about as fast; blowing the tires off of its German rivals like the AMG GT S, the BMW M6, both the S63 and S65, as well as the RS7. At this point the LC F is running with the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Lexus has been very capable of building chassis in the past (like the GS), and we'll see if the LC F can beat the LFA (with the Nurburgring package) around Green Hell.
Alexander Li
The LC is certainly heavy, so I'm pretty curious to see what they come up with to shave off some of that weight. If we're going to have to wait for another 2 years, make it lighter with tons of aluminum and CFRP in the chassis and perhaps most of the car itself.
The GT-R Nismo starts at about $175,000 dollars, so I'd expect the LC F to cost about the same. Fortunately, with this new turbocharged-eight, a detuned version could liked fall in the hands of the next generation GS F, and bring it up to standard. I'll assume that they'll use even stickier tires as well.
If the GS F gets the F engine, then the old 2UR-GSE one will likely replace the GS 350 model and move that one down, to compare to the BMW 550i and the V6 to the 530i. All speculation.
The weight problem is the biggest issue. If Lexus can still maintain a front mid-engined rear-wheel drive layout with the large 4.0 liter sitting behind the wheels, the vehicle should plow a lot less. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires or Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires are likely going to be used as well, but specially developed to be run-flats. Lexus has been adamant against offering carbon ceramic brakes, so enormous 8-piston brakes might be an option.
If Lexus is benchmarking the GTR Nismo, a car with 0-60 times of 2.8 seconds, then the LC F will be about as fast; blowing the tires off of its German rivals like the AMG GT S, the BMW M6, both the S63 and S65, as well as the RS7. At this point the LC F is running with the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Lexus has been very capable of building chassis in the past (like the GS), and we'll see if the LC F can beat the LFA (with the Nurburgring package) around Green Hell.
Alexander Li
The LC is certainly heavy, so I'm pretty curious to see what they come up with to shave off some of that weight. If we're going to have to wait for another 2 years, make it lighter with tons of aluminum and CFRP in the chassis and perhaps most of the car itself.
The GT-R Nismo starts at about $175,000 dollars, so I'd expect the LC F to cost about the same. Fortunately, with this new turbocharged-eight, a detuned version could liked fall in the hands of the next generation GS F, and bring it up to standard. I'll assume that they'll use even stickier tires as well.
If the GS F gets the F engine, then the old 2UR-GSE one will likely replace the GS 350 model and move that one down, to compare to the BMW 550i and the V6 to the 530i. All speculation.
The weight problem is the biggest issue. If Lexus can still maintain a front mid-engined rear-wheel drive layout with the large 4.0 liter sitting behind the wheels, the vehicle should plow a lot less. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires or Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires are likely going to be used as well, but specially developed to be run-flats. Lexus has been adamant against offering carbon ceramic brakes, so enormous 8-piston brakes might be an option.
If Lexus is benchmarking the GTR Nismo, a car with 0-60 times of 2.8 seconds, then the LC F will be about as fast; blowing the tires off of its German rivals like the AMG GT S, the BMW M6, both the S63 and S65, as well as the RS7. At this point the LC F is running with the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Lexus has been very capable of building chassis in the past (like the GS), and we'll see if the LC F can beat the LFA (with the Nurburgring package) around Green Hell.
mikeavelli
I can only imagine the fun being had making this car....super excited for it. Hopefully tons of carbon fiber bits inside...
mikeavelli
I can only imagine the fun being had making this car....super excited for it. Hopefully tons of carbon fiber bits inside...
mikeavelli
I can only imagine the fun being had making this car....super excited for it. Hopefully tons of carbon fiber bits inside...
PeterF
mikeavelli
I can only imagine the fun being had making this car....super excited for it. Hopefully tons of carbon fiber bits inside...
I bet it will be terrifically fun driving it as well. It will have to have tons of carbon fiber in order to reduce the weight (as Alexander Li says).
PeterF
mikeavelli
I can only imagine the fun being had making this car....super excited for it. Hopefully tons of carbon fiber bits inside...
I bet it will be terrifically fun driving it as well. It will have to have tons of carbon fiber in order to reduce the weight (as Alexander Li says).
PeterF
mikeavelli
I can only imagine the fun being had making this car....super excited for it. Hopefully tons of carbon fiber bits inside...
I bet it will be terrifically fun driving it as well. It will have to have tons of carbon fiber in order to reduce the weight (as Alexander Li says).
GSCT
The LFA is dead, long live the LC F! It will be interesting to see how their performance compares.
GSCT
The LFA is dead, long live the LC F! It will be interesting to see how their performance compares.
GSCT
The LFA is dead, long live the LC F! It will be interesting to see how their performance compares.
james_m300
i always look forward to lexus arrivals, but all of them worry me especially the "F" models because they are either too heavy, don't have enough power, or both. i really hope the LCF pulls through and for it to look a lot like that yellow rendering above!
james_m300
i always look forward to lexus arrivals, but all of them worry me especially the "F" models because they are either too heavy, don't have enough power, or both. i really hope the LCF pulls through and for it to look a lot like that yellow rendering above!
james_m300
i always look forward to lexus arrivals, but all of them worry me especially the "F" models because they are either too heavy, don't have enough power, or both. i really hope the LCF pulls through and for it to look a lot like that yellow rendering above!
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maiaramdan
Logic somehow
But I think 620hp will be the correct answer plus or minus 5
I notice you always have high expectations that are not met by Lexus' conservative ways, leading to disappointment and criticism. I suggest you temper your expectations a bit. :P
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maiaramdan
Logic somehow
But I think 620hp will be the correct answer plus or minus 5
I notice you always have high expectations that are not met by Lexus' conservative ways, leading to disappointment and criticism. I suggest you temper your expectations a bit. :P
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maiaramdan
Logic somehow
But I think 620hp will be the correct answer plus or minus 5
I notice you always have high expectations that are not met by Lexus' conservative ways, leading to disappointment and criticism. I suggest you temper your expectations a bit. :P
C
Alexander Li
The LC is certainly heavy, so I'm pretty curious to see what they come up with to shave off some of that weight.
The weight problem is the biggest issue. If Lexus can still maintain a front mid-engined rear-wheel drive layout with the large 4.0 liter sitting behind the wheels, the vehicle should plow a lot less. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires or Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires are likely going to be used as well, but specially developed to be run-flats. Lexus has been adamant against offering carbon ceramic brakes, so enormous 8-piston brakes might be an option.
If Lexus is benchmarking the GTR Nismo, a car with 0-60 times of 2.8 seconds, then the LC F will be about as fast; blowing the tires off of its German rivals like the AMG GT S, the BMW M6, both the S63 and S65, as well as the RS7. At this point the LC F is running with the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Lexus has been very capable of building chassis in the past (like the GS), and we'll see if the LC F can beat the LFA (with the Nurburgring package) around Green Hell.
Agree with the weight. In addition, achieving under 3 second 0-60 gets increasingly more difficult with only RWD as challenges in getting all that power down to the ground increases significantly. Take a 707 hp Hellcat with similar weight as a current LC and takes a "leisurely" 3.5s. Same car though on drag racing tires can beat 3s again speaking to power transfer to the ground. Can AWD (perhaps with electric motors to save weight) be the solution and a first time offering for an F model? GTR, 911 Turbo, NSX, Tesla, etc, all apply power to the four wheels to achieve sub-3 second 0-60 times.

As for power numbers, I'm hoping to see noticeably over 600 hp (620 hp min) since nowadays these figures seem almost pedestrian (i.e. a Dodge sedan with 707 hp and Demon at 840 hp!). If the figure is 590ish, it will be disappointing regardless of performance since in this price range, "whose is bigger" matters for bragging rights.
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Alexander Li
The LC is certainly heavy, so I'm pretty curious to see what they come up with to shave off some of that weight.
The weight problem is the biggest issue. If Lexus can still maintain a front mid-engined rear-wheel drive layout with the large 4.0 liter sitting behind the wheels, the vehicle should plow a lot less. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires or Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires are likely going to be used as well, but specially developed to be run-flats. Lexus has been adamant against offering carbon ceramic brakes, so enormous 8-piston brakes might be an option.
If Lexus is benchmarking the GTR Nismo, a car with 0-60 times of 2.8 seconds, then the LC F will be about as fast; blowing the tires off of its German rivals like the AMG GT S, the BMW M6, both the S63 and S65, as well as the RS7. At this point the LC F is running with the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Lexus has been very capable of building chassis in the past (like the GS), and we'll see if the LC F can beat the LFA (with the Nurburgring package) around Green Hell.
Agree with the weight. In addition, achieving under 3 second 0-60 gets increasingly more difficult with only RWD as challenges in getting all that power down to the ground increases significantly. Take a 707 hp Hellcat with similar weight as a current LC and takes a "leisurely" 3.5s. Same car though on drag racing tires can beat 3s again speaking to power transfer to the ground. Can AWD (perhaps with electric motors to save weight) be the solution and a first time offering for an F model? GTR, 911 Turbo, NSX, Tesla, etc, all apply power to the four wheels to achieve sub-3 second 0-60 times.

As for power numbers, I'm hoping to see noticeably over 600 hp (620 hp min) since nowadays these figures seem almost pedestrian (i.e. a Dodge sedan with 707 hp and Demon at 840 hp!). If the figure is 590ish, it will be disappointing regardless of performance since in this price range, "whose is bigger" matters for bragging rights.
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Alexander Li
The LC is certainly heavy, so I'm pretty curious to see what they come up with to shave off some of that weight.
The weight problem is the biggest issue. If Lexus can still maintain a front mid-engined rear-wheel drive layout with the large 4.0 liter sitting behind the wheels, the vehicle should plow a lot less. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires or Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires are likely going to be used as well, but specially developed to be run-flats. Lexus has been adamant against offering carbon ceramic brakes, so enormous 8-piston brakes might be an option.
If Lexus is benchmarking the GTR Nismo, a car with 0-60 times of 2.8 seconds, then the LC F will be about as fast; blowing the tires off of its German rivals like the AMG GT S, the BMW M6, both the S63 and S65, as well as the RS7. At this point the LC F is running with the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Lexus has been very capable of building chassis in the past (like the GS), and we'll see if the LC F can beat the LFA (with the Nurburgring package) around Green Hell.
Agree with the weight. In addition, achieving under 3 second 0-60 gets increasingly more difficult with only RWD as challenges in getting all that power down to the ground increases significantly. Take a 707 hp Hellcat with similar weight as a current LC and takes a "leisurely" 3.5s. Same car though on drag racing tires can beat 3s again speaking to power transfer to the ground. Can AWD (perhaps with electric motors to save weight) be the solution and a first time offering for an F model? GTR, 911 Turbo, NSX, Tesla, etc, all apply power to the four wheels to achieve sub-3 second 0-60 times.

As for power numbers, I'm hoping to see noticeably over 600 hp (620 hp min) since nowadays these figures seem almost pedestrian (i.e. a Dodge sedan with 707 hp and Demon at 840 hp!). If the figure is 590ish, it will be disappointing regardless of performance since in this price range, "whose is bigger" matters for bragging rights.
meth.ix
The GT-R NISMO is the dumbest benchmark, much lighter, since it is a sports car, less of a GT car. The obvious benchmark should be the S 63. S65 Coupe, and the upcoming M8.

Speaking of M8, notice how the BMW M8 is probably gonna be revealed at the same time as the regular 8-Series? The 8-Series Concept was revealed at around the same time that the M8 camoflauged car was intentionally revealed by BMW. Why does Lexus wait 1-2 years after the regular model to release the F model? I hope it's just because with the RC and LC they just wanted to add it into the lineup as soon as possible and develop the F car later.

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