Kelvin2020
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Maybe same battery technology
Why on the LFR thread tho? o_o
Why on the LFR thread tho? o_o
Okay. Connecting some dots here. Toyota said their SSB coming at 2025 will be a hybrid. Next ES should show up in 2025 so hmm.Maybe same battery technology
Sad to hear if the LS 500 does go away (discontinued). Lexus needs to bring back a V8 (2UR-GSE) for the LS 500. It would be really sad if Lexus only had a two sedan line up, IS and ES...bring back the GS already! Get rid of the RZ 450e!Idk if there is any truth behind this, but here goes.
Idk if there is any truth behind this, but here goes.
End of the LS… I hope that’s not true.
If so, I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised since Lexus’ has been building the case for 8+ years now.
End of the LS… I hope that’s not true.
If so, I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised since Lexus’ has been building the case for 8+ years now.
Not saying I'm against the idea of building the next halo car......but they would rather kill the car that established the brand and expect to make more money out of the LFR? lmao!
Isnt the LFR the first derived homologation of the gazoo GT3 vehicle?
Id hope it will underpin a lot more in the future. Shame they skipped a proper generation of F cars, even if not perfect.
RC, IS, whatever the new MX9 is, who knows. Spread the capex around.
I was literally writing something like that and erased it. But looks like you had the same idea, there IS a disconnect between Toyota's performance arm and regular cars.I hope there is more "LFR" in the rest of the lineup than there was "LFA" -- but I think that is the problem: Toyota looks at performance vehicles as special projects instead of part of the Lexus DNA.
I don't understand this negativity. The LFA created a cult following for Lexus. The LFA brought attention to Lexus' F lineup and consequently showed that F-Sport products weren't a joke because Lexus bothered to give proper chassis upgrades in order to give it superior handling over the competition. Plus, the interior appointments were LFA-inspired and that on its own was able to net Lexus a lot of sales away from other manufacturers. There was a period in the mid-2010's where Lexus was at the absolute apex (pun not intended) at handling performance. None of this was random, and the LFA's role as the flagship in Lexus' lineup has at the least inspired all Lexus' to have some edge, and at its greatest the LFA inspired the creation of the the best F car other than the LFA itself, the GS F. The LFR will serve the exact same role for Lexus' future portfolio.It was the same problem with the LFA, and quite frankly, why I do not really care about the LFR.
Both are "pie in the sky" models with little to no connection to the rest of the Lexus lineup. No investment in F or F SPORT Performance lineups means there is no "story" for any other Lexus owner to aspire to with the LFR.
TTV8 and batteries in a Lexus performance car? Cool! How does it connect to the rest of the Lexus lineup? It doesn't!
Where is the LC F? LS F? LX F? ES F? IS F? RX F?
With no building blocks, LFR is just a poster when it should have been a story.
Am I still glad it exists? Yes, of course.
Correct. The Toyota GR GT3 switched to being a Lexus. We saw a Lexus-badged version of that car in a private (outdoor) showing in Chicago.Isnt the LFR the first derived homologation of the gazoo GT3 vehicle?
Id hope it will underpin a lot more in the future. Shame they skipped a proper generation of F cars, even if not perfect.
RC, IS, whatever the new MX9 is, who knows. Spread the capex around.
The LFR should be riding on a new platform dubbed as *coughs* TNGA-A *coughs*. The A100 GR Supra was going to be paired with the LFR but it seems like the codeveloped project is back on the table and I'm all here for it.I did think of something interesting earlier.. and going off-topic with this, I forget if I've talked about this before.
The new Prius introduced the "Second Generation" TNGA-C platform... Is it a possibility the S230 Crown is introducing a "Second Generation" TNGA-L platform, which could mean it is better optimized for a full lineup of new Lexus models?
The ball needs to get rolling somehow.I was literally writing something like that and erased it. But looks like you had the same idea, there IS a disconnect between Toyota's performance arm and regular cars.
F was supposed to bridge the two together but clearly it hasn't. The GR Yaris only exists because of homologation, and same thing with the LFR. And the GR Corolla only exists because the GR Yaris's powertrain was already developed and ready for use. Otherwise, we wouldn't see any of these if Toyota didn't participate in motorsports, and as a result we don't see any other performance models beyond these (bar the GRMN SEA-only models)
I don't understand this negativity. The LFA created a cult following for Lexus. The LFA brought attention to Lexus' F lineup and consequently showed that F-Sport products weren't a joke because Lexus bothered to give proper chassis upgrades in order to give it superior handling over the competition. Plus, the interior appointments were LFA-inspired and that on its own was able to net Lexus a lot of sales away from other manufacturers. There was a period in the mid-2010's where Lexus was at the absolute apex (pun not intended) at handling performance. None of this was random, and the LFA's role as the flagship in Lexus' lineup has at the least inspired all Lexus' to have some edge, and at its greatest the LFA inspired the creation of the the best F car other than the LFA itself, the GS F. The LFR will serve the exact same role for Lexus' future portfolio.
In my opinion, it seems that you're only (rightfully) upset that Lexus didn't follow up on engine/power upgrades.
The LFR was created with the money from the dead LC F, LS F, and (Toyota) GR Super Sport projects. It also followed Lexus' plans of building a LFA-type car every 10-15 years, and the LFR lives up to that promise. The LC F and LS F were supposed to have those engines, but we all know that there are problems in terms of weight with the TNGA-L platform.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that while posts expressing exasperation like this is understandable because you want to see them compete with other manufacturers, it doesn't make sense to me because we know the answers to all of these questions.