Top Gear Review: Lexus RC F Track Edition

PeterF

oooh, way too expensive. The M4 Competition and the C 63S,are very nice and fun cars. why buy the RC F TE? reliability? lexus lover?

I bought an RCF Carbon/TVD over the other cars mainly because of the high-revving N/A V8 as it will no longer be available. Sounds is something I simply cannot compromise on. Also, the exterior, interior, exclusivity and durability/quality are other big factors. I put on a full cat back and easily it gets just around 500 HP because of the very restrictive stock exhaust. Based on how fast it gets to redline, it is definitely much quicker.

PeterF

oooh, way too expensive. The M4 Competition and the C 63S,are very nice and fun cars. why buy the RC F TE? reliability? lexus lover?

I bought an RCF Carbon/TVD over the other cars mainly because of the high-revving N/A V8 as it will no longer be available. Sounds is something I simply cannot compromise on. Also, the exterior, interior, exclusivity and durability/quality are other big factors. I put on a full cat back and easily it gets just around 500 HP because of the very restrictive stock exhaust. Based on how fast it gets to redline, it is definitely much quicker.

zeusus

RCF Track edition should be a Lexus Enthusiast's dream. Who cares about price, unless anybody here actually getting one? And at 100k, if you can afford it, you won't be asking that many questions.

Let's just enjoy the ride.

We're not saying it isn't any Lexus Enthusiast's dream (I'm still not sold on the Frankenstein platform but I can try to get over that bit), but more like Lexus needs to get their act together and start building the important cars that will allow them to get more recognition. Slap in the TTV8 in an LS, then make a LS F, introduce the LQ, LC C, LC F, new LX, new GX, new GS, RWD ES, RX and NX, make strong mid-tier trims for those cars and bring F models as well, bring back the IS F, no more of the stupid frankenstein RC platform and make the next RC based off the IS, RC C, and add a turbo to the UX. <-- Examples are right there. And those should have happened YESTERDAY. NOT 2-3 YEARS FROM NOW.

I realize how special this Track Edition is and I welcome it with open arms regardless of ANY flaws it could potentially have, but when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, its flaws begin to show. It's a bit pricey, now yes, the M4 GTS is so much more expensive than the regular M4, and the upgrades aren't even worth the cost. The Lexus is actually better than the M4 GTS in that regard. But Lexus' core competencies aren't to make things super expensive and while still a very good product, there could be some question marks. I'd rather get me a LC at this price point and snap everyones necks in either a Structural Blue, Flare Yellow or Rioja Red. Because the LC is just so damn good.

They need to go all on out in luxury and performance. Have that YET factor. Sporty yet luxurious. Luxurious yet capable. Stop making the interior of the ES less exciting than a Corolla Hatchback. Or brag that the ES has more rear legroom than the LS. If that doesn't scream retarded to you then I'm worried for the future of Lexus. They need to do better and this isn't enough. They're trying so hard to make a profit but all along the answer is right in their face. Now a certain someone in this forum asked for people (probably me in this case) to stop saying who Lexus should be like, but at this point I think you all know what they should be now.

I know some people in this community are either affiliated or know someone at Lexus. Will someone actually take these complaints to their face? Those guys need to face reality and hear what Lexus buyers want. Not what THEY THINK we would want. If they think for us and not consider us at all in the equation from now on, I'll happily move on with Mercedes-Benz and Porsche (and surprisingly but not fully there yet, BMW is starting to catch up in some regards) and I won't look back. It's so hard being a fan of Lexus sometimes......

Put it short and sweet, I'm genuinely getting fed up with this company.

zeusus

RCF Track edition should be a Lexus Enthusiast's dream. Who cares about price, unless anybody here actually getting one? And at 100k, if you can afford it, you won't be asking that many questions.

Let's just enjoy the ride.

We're not saying it isn't any Lexus Enthusiast's dream (I'm still not sold on the Frankenstein platform but I can try to get over that bit), but more like Lexus needs to get their act together and start building the important cars that will allow them to get more recognition. Slap in the TTV8 in an LS, then make a LS F, introduce the LQ, LC C, LC F, new LX, new GX, new GS, RWD ES, RX and NX, make strong mid-tier trims for those cars and bring F models as well, bring back the IS F, no more of the stupid frankenstein RC platform and make the next RC based off the IS, RC C, and add a turbo to the UX. <-- Examples are right there. And those should have happened YESTERDAY. NOT 2-3 YEARS FROM NOW.

I realize how special this Track Edition is and I welcome it with open arms regardless of ANY flaws it could potentially have, but when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, its flaws begin to show. It's a bit pricey, now yes, the M4 GTS is so much more expensive than the regular M4, and the upgrades aren't even worth the cost. The Lexus is actually better than the M4 GTS in that regard. But Lexus' core competencies aren't to make things super expensive and while still a very good product, there could be some question marks. I'd rather get me a LC at this price point and snap everyones necks in either a Structural Blue, Flare Yellow or Rioja Red. Because the LC is just so damn good.

They need to go all on out in luxury and performance. Have that YET factor. Sporty yet luxurious. Luxurious yet capable. Stop making the interior of the ES less exciting than a Corolla Hatchback. Or brag that the ES has more rear legroom than the LS. If that doesn't scream retarded to you then I'm worried for the future of Lexus. They need to do better and this isn't enough. They're trying so hard to make a profit but all along the answer is right in their face. Now a certain someone in this forum asked for people (probably me in this case) to stop saying who Lexus should be like, but at this point I think you all know what they should be now.

I know some people in this community are either affiliated or know someone at Lexus. Will someone actually take these complaints to their face? Those guys need to face reality and hear what Lexus buyers want. Not what THEY THINK we would want. If they think for us and not consider us at all in the equation from now on, I'll happily move on with Mercedes-Benz and Porsche (and surprisingly but not fully there yet, BMW is starting to catch up in some regards) and I won't look back. It's so hard being a fan of Lexus sometimes......

Put it short and sweet, I'm genuinely getting fed up with this company.

It's a limited edition car so they charge a big premium for the rarity factor. But it's not a very convincing car for its rarity. I would say it's limited production because they are not confident with sales so they don't lose face if sales figures don't look good.

F1 Silver Arrows

I'll happily move on with Mercedes-Benz and Porsche (and surprisingly but not fully there yet, BMW are starting to catch up in some regards) and I won't look back.

Please do so, and I am not saying this with a negative tone. You should know very well that the way they do business makes them a very unlikable company. I like the brand because I am not a car enthusiast. I just care about electrics and hybrids that kind of stuff, things they are good at. I used to absolutely hate the brand for their open opposition to electrics, and only changed my stance after they changed the narrative.

I know it could be very painful to like this brand if you are a hardcore enthusiast. So why not jump ship and not let the company's way of business bother your life.

It's a limited edition car so they charge a big premium for the rarity factor. But it's not a very convincing car for its rarity. I would say it's limited production because they are not confident with sales so they don't lose face if sales figures don't look good.

F1 Silver Arrows

I'll happily move on with Mercedes-Benz and Porsche (and surprisingly but not fully there yet, BMW are starting to catch up in some regards) and I won't look back.

Please do so, and I am not saying this with a negative tone. You should know very well that the way they do business makes them a very unlikable company. I like the brand because I am not a car enthusiast. I just care about electrics and hybrids that kind of stuff, things they are good at. I used to absolutely hate the brand for their open opposition to electrics, and only changed my stance after they changed the narrative.

I know it could be very painful to like this brand if you are a hardcore enthusiast. So why not jump ship and not let the company's way of business bother your life.

ssun30

It's a limited edition car so they charge a big premium for the rarity factor. But it's not a very convincing car for its rarity. I would say it's limited production because they are not confident with sales so they don't lose face if sales figures don't look good.



Please do so, and I am not saying this with a negative tone. You should know very well that the way they do business makes them a very unlikable company. I like the brand because I am not a car enthusiast. I just care about electrics and hybrids that kind of stuff, things they are good at. I used to absolutely hate the brand for their open opposition to electrics, and only changed my stance after they changed the narrative.

I know it could be very painful to like this brand if you are a hardcore enthusiast. So why not jump ship and not let the company's way of business bother your life.

I like your genuine honesty. But the reason why I grew to love Lexus vehicles is because I actually grew up with Toyotas my entire life. Lexus was a great brand to attract enthusiasts with their great products (being sporty or luxurious, both sides attracted customers because of how good they were at it). Me being the automotive and racing nut that I am, the TMC family was just great to experience. I was also in love with Lexus because I love reliable vehicles. Their reliability and their dependability gives one an opportunity to relax and enjoy driving without having to worry to drag it to the dealership or the shop. It's a reason why I dislike Land Rover Vehicles (Jaguar to a lesser extent), and have no respect for subpar brands. The only other reliable luxury brand in the world out there other than Lexus is Porsche, with Mercedes close behind them (BMW are in the ballpark as well with their inline-six and V12 engines). I will still stick around to see what they're going to announce. But if I see that they're going to sit on their hands for the next few years, I'll be disappointed but there are marques like Porsche where they are extremely reliable but offer a level of luxury and performance that is just right.

I am quite aware you are extremely into the electric vehicle trend and what goes on in China (they're adopting EVs more than anyone else). But I was taken by surprise how you said you aren't a car enthusiast by any means. But it makes sense because a lot of TMC customers want something with no thrills, no frills. I will bring up my view to all this electrification mess that manufacturers are rushing to, and that I strongly believe hybrids are the future and not EV's. I don't believe we are running out of oil and gas very soon like many people are mentioning. I do think conserving and taking care of the planet is a must but EVs seem to be a waste in terms of manufacturing, creates a bigger mess, has a shorter lifespan than hybrids and ICE engines, and pollute so much more than normal ICE and hybrid vehicles. If anything, I expect NA engines or simply ICE engines to stay for a long time still, as they're getting very economical and are becoming better performers each and every single day. However I do believe in a future with hybrids. The extremely long range is helpful, the performance from a hybrid is great, and it doesn't need an explanation, we have seen and know of many examples by now. And with more focus on developing better and batteries with greater range, and do it in a way that produces less pollution, along with a tried, true, and tested ICE engine, it just makes more sense. Our cars just don't pollute that much anymore, and even the ones that do, contribute to almost nothing in terms of the pollution we're producing (most of it coming from factories, waste, landfills, etc.).

ssun30

It's a limited edition car so they charge a big premium for the rarity factor. But it's not a very convincing car for its rarity. I would say it's limited production because they are not confident with sales so they don't lose face if sales figures don't look good.



Please do so, and I am not saying this with a negative tone. You should know very well that the way they do business makes them a very unlikable company. I like the brand because I am not a car enthusiast. I just care about electrics and hybrids that kind of stuff, things they are good at. I used to absolutely hate the brand for their open opposition to electrics, and only changed my stance after they changed the narrative.

I know it could be very painful to like this brand if you are a hardcore enthusiast. So why not jump ship and not let the company's way of business bother your life.

I like your genuine honesty. But the reason why I grew to love Lexus vehicles is because I actually grew up with Toyotas my entire life. Lexus was a great brand to attract enthusiasts with their great products (being sporty or luxurious, both sides attracted customers because of how good they were at it). Me being the automotive and racing nut that I am, the TMC family was just great to experience. I was also in love with Lexus because I love reliable vehicles. Their reliability and their dependability gives one an opportunity to relax and enjoy driving without having to worry to drag it to the dealership or the shop. It's a reason why I dislike Land Rover Vehicles (Jaguar to a lesser extent), and have no respect for subpar brands. The only other reliable luxury brand in the world out there other than Lexus is Porsche, with Mercedes close behind them (BMW are in the ballpark as well with their inline-six and V12 engines). I will still stick around to see what they're going to announce. But if I see that they're going to sit on their hands for the next few years, I'll be disappointed but there are marques like Porsche where they are extremely reliable but offer a level of luxury and performance that is just right.

I am quite aware you are extremely into the electric vehicle trend and what goes on in China (they're adopting EVs more than anyone else). But I was taken by surprise how you said you aren't a car enthusiast by any means. But it makes sense because a lot of TMC customers want something with no thrills, no frills. I will bring up my view to all this electrification mess that manufacturers are rushing to, and that I strongly believe hybrids are the future and not EV's. I don't believe we are running out of oil and gas very soon like many people are mentioning. I do think conserving and taking care of the planet is a must but EVs seem to be a waste in terms of manufacturing, creates a bigger mess, has a shorter lifespan than hybrids and ICE engines, and pollute so much more than normal ICE and hybrid vehicles. If anything, I expect NA engines or simply ICE engines to stay for a long time still, as they're getting very economical and are becoming better performers each and every single day. However I do believe in a future with hybrids. The extremely long range is helpful, the performance from a hybrid is great, and it doesn't need an explanation, we have seen and know of many examples by now. And with more focus on developing better and batteries with greater range, and do it in a way that produces less pollution, along with a tried, true, and tested ICE engine, it just makes more sense. Our cars just don't pollute that much anymore, and even the ones that do, contribute to almost nothing in terms of the pollution we're producing (most of it coming from factories, waste, landfills, etc.).

F1 Silver Arrows

I will bring up my view to all this electrification mess that manufacturers are rushing to, and that I strongly believe hybrids are the future and not EV's. I don't believe we are running out of oil and gas very soon like many people are mentioning. I do think conserving and taking care of the planet is a must but EVs seem to be a waste in terms of manufacturing, creates a bigger mess, has a shorter lifespan than hybrids and ICE engines, and pollute so much more than normal ICE and hybrid vehicles. If anything, I expect NA engines or simply ICE engines to stay for a long time still, as they're getting very economical and are becoming better performers each and every single day. However I do believe in a future with hybrids. The extremely long range is helpful, the performance from a hybrid is great, and it doesn't need an explanation, we have seen and know of many examples by now. And with more focus on developing better and batteries with greater range, and do it in a way that produces less pollution, along with a tried, true, and tested ICE engine, it just makes more sense. Our cars just don't pollute that much anymore, and even the ones that do, contribute to almost nothing in terms of the pollution we're producing (most of it coming from factories, waste, landfills, etc.).

I have to agree with this. I check daily InsideEV's content for interesting articles (hard to find 80% their content is bs and biased, sometimes articles and comment section are so biased it's like political extremists) and have learned that in some point we will achieve a society where transportation makes zero emission (read: moving yourself produces no emissions, making machine that moves you produce emissions). How far is it? I think 30-100 years. Also, in my opinion, BEV is not the way. FCV technology is far superior when you consider practicality. Hydrogen can be produced on site with no emissions, it takes no time to fuel a big truck and range is not affected by temperature.
But talk about EVs is useless in our time. There's no sense to make expensive cars for 1% and expect that everybody else would buy it. People like Elon Musk don't consider that there are people in the world that can't even afford the cheapest car in any manufacturers line-up. We should push for better ICE technology like downsizing turbo, start and stop, clean diesel and Skyactiv-X. As these technologies become mainstream, consumers in emerging markets like in India or Nigeria could buy entry level cars equipped with these technologies or import used from more developed countries.
Self-charging hybrid is great invention. I'm so proud of Toyota to bring it into the market. It cuts emissions by half compared to the best ICE engines (excluding Skyactic-X)! The best part is the Japanese philosophy behind it: make it for everyone. 75k Nissan GTR is way better than 200k Bugatti. They make cars for people. Toyota hybrids are really only eco cars that everyone in the first world could afford.
Future is bright since Toyota helped small Japanese manufacturers to bring hybrids to market. Also, Honda and Nissan are pushing Series hybrid to the global market. With these, I think we could see a 10% cut in emissions from cars in a couple of years in certain markets.
But in the end, we should focus on cutting emissions from freight and industry. Think this: there has been talking in Finland to forbid ICE cars in 2030, but in reality, cars account around 19% emission whilst single SSAB steel factory accounts for 10%. By 2030 emissions from cars could be less than half from now simply because of the adaptation of more efficient technologies.

F1 Silver Arrows

I will bring up my view to all this electrification mess that manufacturers are rushing to, and that I strongly believe hybrids are the future and not EV's. I don't believe we are running out of oil and gas very soon like many people are mentioning. I do think conserving and taking care of the planet is a must but EVs seem to be a waste in terms of manufacturing, creates a bigger mess, has a shorter lifespan than hybrids and ICE engines, and pollute so much more than normal ICE and hybrid vehicles. If anything, I expect NA engines or simply ICE engines to stay for a long time still, as they're getting very economical and are becoming better performers each and every single day. However I do believe in a future with hybrids. The extremely long range is helpful, the performance from a hybrid is great, and it doesn't need an explanation, we have seen and know of many examples by now. And with more focus on developing better and batteries with greater range, and do it in a way that produces less pollution, along with a tried, true, and tested ICE engine, it just makes more sense. Our cars just don't pollute that much anymore, and even the ones that do, contribute to almost nothing in terms of the pollution we're producing (most of it coming from factories, waste, landfills, etc.).

I have to agree with this. I check daily InsideEV's content for interesting articles (hard to find 80% their content is bs and biased, sometimes articles and comment section are so biased it's like political extremists) and have learned that in some point we will achieve a society where transportation makes zero emission (read: moving yourself produces no emissions, making machine that moves you produce emissions). How far is it? I think 30-100 years. Also, in my opinion, BEV is not the way. FCV technology is far superior when you consider practicality. Hydrogen can be produced on site with no emissions, it takes no time to fuel a big truck and range is not affected by temperature.
But talk about EVs is useless in our time. There's no sense to make expensive cars for 1% and expect that everybody else would buy it. People like Elon Musk don't consider that there are people in the world that can't even afford the cheapest car in any manufacturers line-up. We should push for better ICE technology like downsizing turbo, start and stop, clean diesel and Skyactiv-X. As these technologies become mainstream, consumers in emerging markets like in India or Nigeria could buy entry level cars equipped with these technologies or import used from more developed countries.
Self-charging hybrid is great invention. I'm so proud of Toyota to bring it into the market. It cuts emissions by half compared to the best ICE engines (excluding Skyactic-X)! The best part is the Japanese philosophy behind it: make it for everyone. 75k Nissan GTR is way better than 200k Bugatti. They make cars for people. Toyota hybrids are really only eco cars that everyone in the first world could afford.
Future is bright since Toyota helped small Japanese manufacturers to bring hybrids to market. Also, Honda and Nissan are pushing Series hybrid to the global market. With these, I think we could see a 10% cut in emissions from cars in a couple of years in certain markets.
But in the end, we should focus on cutting emissions from freight and industry. Think this: there has been talking in Finland to forbid ICE cars in 2030, but in reality, cars account around 19% emission whilst single SSAB steel factory accounts for 10%. By 2030 emissions from cars could be less than half from now simply because of the adaptation of more efficient technologies.

I appreciate @F1 Silver Arrows , @ssun30 , @flexus for your candid respectful exchange of opinions! You help make our site exceptional!

I appreciate @F1 Silver Arrows , @ssun30 , @flexus for your candid respectful exchange of opinions! You help make our site exceptional!

RAL

I appreciate @F1 Silver Arrows , @ssun30 , @flexus your candid respectful exchange of opinions! You help make our site exceptional!

Awe thank you. People like you, @Gecko and @Carmaker1 continue to remind me why this site is so special. If I do ever leave Lexus, but I will never leave this community.

P.S: If I haven't mentioned others, don't take it to heart, just saying that these three are big examples that deserve recognition. Overall the whole community make this forum extremely special.

RAL

I appreciate @F1 Silver Arrows , @ssun30 , @flexus your candid respectful exchange of opinions! You help make our site exceptional!

Awe thank you. People like you, @Gecko and @Carmaker1 continue to remind me why this site is so special. If I do ever leave Lexus, but I will never leave this community.

P.S: If I haven't mentioned others, don't take it to heart, just saying that these three are big examples that deserve recognition. Overall the whole community make this forum extremely special.

F1 Silver Arrows

I like your genuine honesty. But the reason why I grew to love Lexus vehicles is because I actually grew up with Toyotas my entire life. Lexus was a great brand to attract enthusiasts with their great products (being sporty or luxurious, both sides attracted customers because of how good they were at it). Me being the automotive and racing nut that I am, the TMC family was just great to experience. I was also in love with Lexus because I love reliable vehicles. Their reliability and their dependability gives one an opportunity to relax and enjoy driving without having to worry to drag it to the dealership or the shop. It's a reason why I dislike Land Rover Vehicles (Jaguar to a lesser extent), and have no respect for subpar brands. The only other reliable luxury brand in the world out there other than Lexus is Porsche, with Mercedes close behind them (BMW are in the ballpark as well with their inline-six and V12 engines). I will still stick around to see what they're going to announce. But if I see that they're going to sit on their hands for the next few years, I'll be disappointed but there are marques like Porsche where they are extremely reliable but offer a level of luxury and performance that is just right.

I am quite aware you are extremely into the electric vehicle trend and what goes on in China (they're adopting EVs more than anyone else). But I was taken by surprise how you said you aren't a car enthusiast by any means. But it makes sense because a lot of TMC customers want something with no thrills, no frills. I will bring up my view to all this electrification mess that manufacturers are rushing to, and that I strongly believe hybrids are the future and not EV's. I don't believe we are running out of oil and gas very soon like many people are mentioning. I do think conserving and taking care of the planet is a must but EVs seem to be a waste in terms of manufacturing, creates a bigger mess, has a shorter lifespan than hybrids and ICE engines, and pollute so much more than normal ICE and hybrid vehicles. If anything, I expect NA engines or simply ICE engines to stay for a long time still, as they're getting very economical and are becoming better performers each and every single day. However I do believe in a future with hybrids. The extremely long range is helpful, the performance from a hybrid is great, and it doesn't need an explanation, we have seen and know of many examples by now. And with more focus on developing better and batteries with greater range, and do it in a way that produces less pollution, along with a tried, true, and tested ICE engine, it just makes more sense. Our cars just don't pollute that much anymore, and even the ones that do, contribute to almost nothing in terms of the pollution we're producing (most of it coming from factories, waste, landfills, etc.).

I am pretty sure @ssun30 is by our standards a car enthusiast :)

As to MB, at least in Europe, latest gen is again bottom of the barrel reliability, I think C class finished last in this years UK survey on dependability with biggest number of serious issues that prevented car to be started.

As to the EVs, they are coming because governments around the world are investing billions in subsidizing them... so cost is being reduced significantly together with large subsidies that reduce that price, so for instance 530e ends up being similar or same or lower price than 530d, despite costing a lot more to produce.

F1 Silver Arrows

I like your genuine honesty. But the reason why I grew to love Lexus vehicles is because I actually grew up with Toyotas my entire life. Lexus was a great brand to attract enthusiasts with their great products (being sporty or luxurious, both sides attracted customers because of how good they were at it). Me being the automotive and racing nut that I am, the TMC family was just great to experience. I was also in love with Lexus because I love reliable vehicles. Their reliability and their dependability gives one an opportunity to relax and enjoy driving without having to worry to drag it to the dealership or the shop. It's a reason why I dislike Land Rover Vehicles (Jaguar to a lesser extent), and have no respect for subpar brands. The only other reliable luxury brand in the world out there other than Lexus is Porsche, with Mercedes close behind them (BMW are in the ballpark as well with their inline-six and V12 engines). I will still stick around to see what they're going to announce. But if I see that they're going to sit on their hands for the next few years, I'll be disappointed but there are marques like Porsche where they are extremely reliable but offer a level of luxury and performance that is just right.

I am quite aware you are extremely into the electric vehicle trend and what goes on in China (they're adopting EVs more than anyone else). But I was taken by surprise how you said you aren't a car enthusiast by any means. But it makes sense because a lot of TMC customers want something with no thrills, no frills. I will bring up my view to all this electrification mess that manufacturers are rushing to, and that I strongly believe hybrids are the future and not EV's. I don't believe we are running out of oil and gas very soon like many people are mentioning. I do think conserving and taking care of the planet is a must but EVs seem to be a waste in terms of manufacturing, creates a bigger mess, has a shorter lifespan than hybrids and ICE engines, and pollute so much more than normal ICE and hybrid vehicles. If anything, I expect NA engines or simply ICE engines to stay for a long time still, as they're getting very economical and are becoming better performers each and every single day. However I do believe in a future with hybrids. The extremely long range is helpful, the performance from a hybrid is great, and it doesn't need an explanation, we have seen and know of many examples by now. And with more focus on developing better and batteries with greater range, and do it in a way that produces less pollution, along with a tried, true, and tested ICE engine, it just makes more sense. Our cars just don't pollute that much anymore, and even the ones that do, contribute to almost nothing in terms of the pollution we're producing (most of it coming from factories, waste, landfills, etc.).

I am pretty sure @ssun30 is by our standards a car enthusiast :)

As to MB, at least in Europe, latest gen is again bottom of the barrel reliability, I think C class finished last in this years UK survey on dependability with biggest number of serious issues that prevented car to be started.

As to the EVs, they are coming because governments around the world are investing billions in subsidizing them... so cost is being reduced significantly together with large subsidies that reduce that price, so for instance 530e ends up being similar or same or lower price than 530d, despite costing a lot more to produce.

@F1 Silver Arrows
praise, you nailed it, Toyota and Lexus want a recognition without working for it !

Lexus missed a complete lineup
Only LS / ES where's the IS / the rumoured 4 door coupe GS / the LQ / GQ aka 7 / 5 seaters

The LX / GX BOF lineup

Even the RX / NX are based on ancient dinosaurs wheelbase

Next RC with no Frankenstein comprising

LCF
LCC
LCCF
GS-F next generation
ISF based on new one
RCF based on new one
RCC based on new one
RCCF based on new one
LQF
GQF

And for Toyota really a lot a lot

@F1 Silver Arrows
praise, you nailed it, Toyota and Lexus want a recognition without working for it !

Lexus missed a complete lineup
Only LS / ES where's the IS / the rumoured 4 door coupe GS / the LQ / GQ aka 7 / 5 seaters

The LX / GX BOF lineup

Even the RX / NX are based on ancient dinosaurs wheelbase

Next RC with no Frankenstein comprising

LCF
LCC
LCCF
GS-F next generation
ISF based on new one
RCF based on new one
RCC based on new one
RCCF based on new one
LQF
GQF

And for Toyota really a lot a lot

Lets get back to RC F and RC F Track Edition, my friends! :D

Lets get back to RC F and RC F Track Edition, my friends! :D

^^ Yessir. Though let's be honest, this talk was relevant because this is how so many non-LEs think when they see this car.

But yeah, back on track. Heh. I just realized I made a pun.

^^ Yessir. Though let's be honest, this talk was relevant because this is how so many non-LEs think when they see this car.

But yeah, back on track. Heh. I just realized I made a pun.

maiaramdan

Next RC with no Frankenstein comprising

Coming from an actual RCF owner, it is not a compromise at all. End result is a brilliant chassis that handles extreme loads with high torsional rigidity. The entire chassis is constructed as a unibody just like any other chassis. Just the initial design was using existing three chassis to make one out of it since a brand new platform would have costed more.

The extra weight is due to extra chassis rigidity over and above what a normal performance based chassis would be. The reason for that is, the original plan was to make a convertible without the need for added reinforcements (since the chassis/B-pillar are not there on the Convertible). Still, that extra chassis rigidity makes the car far more confidence inspiring at the limit. The added weight is not because of the Frankenstein chassis, but because a convertible was planned as well.

maiaramdan

Next RC with no Frankenstein comprising

Coming from an actual RCF owner, it is not a compromise at all. End result is a brilliant chassis that handles extreme loads with high torsional rigidity. The entire chassis is constructed as a unibody just like any other chassis. Just the initial design was using existing three chassis to make one out of it since a brand new platform would have costed more.

The extra weight is due to extra chassis rigidity over and above what a normal performance based chassis would be. The reason for that is, the original plan was to make a convertible without the need for added reinforcements (since the chassis/B-pillar are not there on the Convertible). Still, that extra chassis rigidity makes the car far more confidence inspiring at the limit. The added weight is not because of the Frankenstein chassis, but because a convertible was planned as well.

Glowing praises for it.

Glowing praises for it.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2020-lexus-rc-f-track-edition-first-drive-review/

The Lexus RC F Track Edition Deserves the Name




We go for a few hot laps in the most aggressive Lexus since the LFA.
By: Nelson Ireson Photography by: The Manufacturer April 4, 2019PreviousThe Track Edition’s extra diet consisted mostly of reducing rotational and unsprung masses, which pay off even more than sprung mass in terms of dynamics. The biggest single weight savings comes from Brembo carbon-ceramic rotors, which drop a total of 48.5 pounds compared to the steel units. An additional 1.5 pounds are saved at each corner by the fitment of 19-inch forged BBS wheels based on those of the RC F GT3 race car. Titanium exhaust components save another 15 pounds, mostly at the rear of the car, and carbon fiber is used in several additional places to save weight and add rigidity, the roof, hood, and rear bulkhead brace being the primary components.
But it’s not all about weight, even for a Track Edition car. If you want to go fast, you need power, and the RC F Track Edition has it by the bucketful. Lexus claims the Track sports the best power-to-weight ratio in its segment, with 472 horsepower and a claimed curb weight of 3,781 pounds returning a figure of eight pounds per pony. Yet despite its power-to-weight figure and despite Lexus shortening the final-drive ratio from 2.97 to 3.13, the sensation of power delivery is more gradual than explosive, largely because the RC F is powered by a normally aspirated V-8 instead of using forced induction like its competition. The engine unleashes its might with a pleasing rise and peak that combines with a glorious sound to make for an exciting on-track experience, even if it does lack some of the low-end shove of the torquier turbos. The RC F Track Edition’s meaty V-8 is rated for just 395 lb-ft of torque.


Driving the Track Edition back-to-back with the standard 2020 RC F at The Thermal Club near Palm Springs, California, was eye-opening. The updates to the 2020 model make even the standard RC F a friendlier and livelier dance partner, but the Track Edition upgrades take the RC F from track-capable to track-ready. The difference is immediately apparent and appreciated even more after a few laps have heat-soaked the brakes and left the standard car’s pedal feeling long and soft, even if they’re still plenty able to stop the car. The Track Edition’s upgraded brakes are indefatigable, and the carbon rotors and beefy (yet lightweight) six-piston front Brembo calipers make the car much more confidence-inspiring on the track, while retuned brake-pedal travel improves precision in application.

On track the power is ample, and the rear is always ready to rotate the nose toward the apex at turn-in, a tendency that’s easier to modulate this time around thanks to the almost perfectly linear throttle mapping—there’s no more artificially boosted throttle application in Sport+ mode. Likewise, the steering is neither too light nor too heavy, and inputs yield the expected outputs, with enough feel to have confidence in pushing the front end toward its grip limit. In all, the RC F Track Edition feels like it belongs on track as much as any other luxury sport coupe in its price range, and that’s quite a compliment, considering it shares space with the BMW M4 Competition and AMG C63 S.
Unfortunately, despite the images you see here, there weren’t enough cars yet built for us to also get drive time on public roads, so we can’t tell you how that track-tuned strength translates to the street, or if it’s a detriment to the overall comfort, quietness, and long-haul steadiness of the regular RC F. Hopefully we’ll get another crack at it soon—and for a much longer stint.

Until then, we’ll leave it at this: Our short drive indicates the 2020 Lexus RC F Track Edition is the RC F you’ve been waiting for. If you have the $97,675 burning a hole in your pocket, you won’t have to wait long. The additional cars we hoped would be at the event are now rolling off the assembly line and will be hitting dealerships soon.

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The Lexus RC F Track Edition Deserves the Name




We go for a few hot laps in the most aggressive Lexus since the LFA.
By: Nelson Ireson Photography by: The Manufacturer April 4, 2019PreviousThe Track Edition’s extra diet consisted mostly of reducing rotational and unsprung masses, which pay off even more than sprung mass in terms of dynamics. The biggest single weight savings comes from Brembo carbon-ceramic rotors, which drop a total of 48.5 pounds compared to the steel units. An additional 1.5 pounds are saved at each corner by the fitment of 19-inch forged BBS wheels based on those of the RC F GT3 race car. Titanium exhaust components save another 15 pounds, mostly at the rear of the car, and carbon fiber is used in several additional places to save weight and add rigidity, the roof, hood, and rear bulkhead brace being the primary components.
But it’s not all about weight, even for a Track Edition car. If you want to go fast, you need power, and the RC F Track Edition has it by the bucketful. Lexus claims the Track sports the best power-to-weight ratio in its segment, with 472 horsepower and a claimed curb weight of 3,781 pounds returning a figure of eight pounds per pony. Yet despite its power-to-weight figure and despite Lexus shortening the final-drive ratio from 2.97 to 3.13, the sensation of power delivery is more gradual than explosive, largely because the RC F is powered by a normally aspirated V-8 instead of using forced induction like its competition. The engine unleashes its might with a pleasing rise and peak that combines with a glorious sound to make for an exciting on-track experience, even if it does lack some of the low-end shove of the torquier turbos. The RC F Track Edition’s meaty V-8 is rated for just 395 lb-ft of torque.


Driving the Track Edition back-to-back with the standard 2020 RC F at The Thermal Club near Palm Springs, California, was eye-opening. The updates to the 2020 model make even the standard RC F a friendlier and livelier dance partner, but the Track Edition upgrades take the RC F from track-capable to track-ready. The difference is immediately apparent and appreciated even more after a few laps have heat-soaked the brakes and left the standard car’s pedal feeling long and soft, even if they’re still plenty able to stop the car. The Track Edition’s upgraded brakes are indefatigable, and the carbon rotors and beefy (yet lightweight) six-piston front Brembo calipers make the car much more confidence-inspiring on the track, while retuned brake-pedal travel improves precision in application.

On track the power is ample, and the rear is always ready to rotate the nose toward the apex at turn-in, a tendency that’s easier to modulate this time around thanks to the almost perfectly linear throttle mapping—there’s no more artificially boosted throttle application in Sport+ mode. Likewise, the steering is neither too light nor too heavy, and inputs yield the expected outputs, with enough feel to have confidence in pushing the front end toward its grip limit. In all, the RC F Track Edition feels like it belongs on track as much as any other luxury sport coupe in its price range, and that’s quite a compliment, considering it shares space with the BMW M4 Competition and AMG C63 S.
Unfortunately, despite the images you see here, there weren’t enough cars yet built for us to also get drive time on public roads, so we can’t tell you how that track-tuned strength translates to the street, or if it’s a detriment to the overall comfort, quietness, and long-haul steadiness of the regular RC F. Hopefully we’ll get another crack at it soon—and for a much longer stint.

Until then, we’ll leave it at this: Our short drive indicates the 2020 Lexus RC F Track Edition is the RC F you’ve been waiting for. If you have the $97,675 burning a hole in your pocket, you won’t have to wait long. The additional cars we hoped would be at the event are now rolling off the assembly line and will be hitting dealerships soon.