Lexus LF-1 Production Crossover to Debut in 2020?

Posted by Kevin on November 26th, 2018

Japanese website Spyder7 is reporting that Lexus will release a production version of the LF-1 Limitless crossover in 2020, just three years after the concept debuted at the 2018 Detroit Auto Show.

Powering the new flagship crossover will be the twin-turbo V6 engine from the LS 500, though Spyder7 suggests a minor power boost up to 424 horsepower. The V6 hybrid engine from the LS/LC 500h will also be used.

Added to the rumor is a production F-brand version of the LF-1, using the much-rumored twin-turbo V8 that we’ve been hearing since before the introduction of the LC coupe. In this incarnation, the LF-1 F would be putting out 661 horsepower and cost $150,000 USD, an amazing power-to-cost ratio when compared to the Lamborghini Urus with its 641 hp and $200,000 price tag.

(Bumping up the horsepower in this hypothetical engine is a smart idea — Lexus has fallen behind competitors in recent times, and could use the boost from a powertrain that outpaces the market average.)

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Gecko
spwolf
But again LQ is flagship vehicle, it will sell at $80-$90k at minimum. So it cant compare to X5/X6/GLE price wise, it is another category.

I dont see the point of making GX look rugged but doing it on unibody. Their markets that buy Land Cruiser and LX do not need that vehicle, as we can see now.

So what they need it something higher performance than RX.
We agree - I noted that X5, X6, GLE, etc are not going to be competitors to LF-1. If anything, there are rumors that BMW will do X8 to compete with Q8 and yes, LF-1. Mercedes? Would they do GLS Coupe? No idea...

Lexus creating a unibody SUV that looks rugged would probably result in a vehicle that is scoffed at by enthusiasts but impossible for dealers to keep in stock. Look at the Jeep Grand Cherokee, for example. Consumers like SUVs and always have - what they didn't like is how they drive and how much gas they use. Going unibody (in addition to overall powertrain advancements,) closes the gap with sedans much more closely on MPG and provides a better driving experience as well. Plus, with modern active AWD systems with torque vectoring, slip control, multi-terrain select, lockers and air suspension that can change ride height, unibody SUVs have become very capable indeed. The only unknown is how unibody construction will age with repeated, hard off road use.

^with that of that considered, now that we know TNGA-F exists, I think it is plausible to expect that if GX lives on, it will stay BOF. I think Prado, LC 150, 4Runner and GX will all become clones of the same model with less differentiation than they have now except for GX, which will have unique engines, sheetmetal and interior.

If LF-1/LQ is priced from say ~$80k+, that is great because it will fill a current hole in Lexus' lineup. We could have something like:

UX: $33 - 39k
NX: $37 - 47k
RX: $45 - 66k (incl RXL)
GX: $57 - 73k
LF-1: $80 - 93k
LX: $90 - 105k
Gecko
spwolf
But again LQ is flagship vehicle, it will sell at $80-$90k at minimum. So it cant compare to X5/X6/GLE price wise, it is another category.

I dont see the point of making GX look rugged but doing it on unibody. Their markets that buy Land Cruiser and LX do not need that vehicle, as we can see now.

So what they need it something higher performance than RX.
We agree - I noted that X5, X6, GLE, etc are not going to be competitors to LF-1. If anything, there are rumors that BMW will do X8 to compete with Q8 and yes, LF-1. Mercedes? Would they do GLS Coupe? No idea...

Lexus creating a unibody SUV that looks rugged would probably result in a vehicle that is scoffed at by enthusiasts but impossible for dealers to keep in stock. Look at the Jeep Grand Cherokee, for example. Consumers like SUVs and always have - what they didn't like is how they drive and how much gas they use. Going unibody (in addition to overall powertrain advancements,) closes the gap with sedans much more closely on MPG and provides a better driving experience as well. Plus, with modern active AWD systems with torque vectoring, slip control, multi-terrain select, lockers and air suspension that can change ride height, unibody SUVs have become very capable indeed. The only unknown is how unibody construction will age with repeated, hard off road use.

^with that of that considered, now that we know TNGA-F exists, I think it is plausible to expect that if GX lives on, it will stay BOF. I think Prado, LC 150, 4Runner and GX will all become clones of the same model with less differentiation than they have now except for GX, which will have unique engines, sheetmetal and interior.

If LF-1/LQ is priced from say ~$80k+, that is great because it will fill a current hole in Lexus' lineup. We could have something like:

UX: $33 - 39k
NX: $37 - 47k
RX: $45 - 66k (incl RXL)
GX: $57 - 73k
LF-1: $80 - 93k
LX: $90 - 105k
Gecko
spwolf
But again LQ is flagship vehicle, it will sell at $80-$90k at minimum. So it cant compare to X5/X6/GLE price wise, it is another category.

I dont see the point of making GX look rugged but doing it on unibody. Their markets that buy Land Cruiser and LX do not need that vehicle, as we can see now.

So what they need it something higher performance than RX.
We agree - I noted that X5, X6, GLE, etc are not going to be competitors to LF-1. If anything, there are rumors that BMW will do X8 to compete with Q8 and yes, LF-1. Mercedes? Would they do GLS Coupe? No idea...

Lexus creating a unibody SUV that looks rugged would probably result in a vehicle that is scoffed at by enthusiasts but impossible for dealers to keep in stock. Look at the Jeep Grand Cherokee, for example. Consumers like SUVs and always have - what they didn't like is how they drive and how much gas they use. Going unibody (in addition to overall powertrain advancements,) closes the gap with sedans much more closely on MPG and provides a better driving experience as well. Plus, with modern active AWD systems with torque vectoring, slip control, multi-terrain select, lockers and air suspension that can change ride height, unibody SUVs have become very capable indeed. The only unknown is how unibody construction will age with repeated, hard off road use.

^with that of that considered, now that we know TNGA-F exists, I think it is plausible to expect that if GX lives on, it will stay BOF. I think Prado, LC 150, 4Runner and GX will all become clones of the same model with less differentiation than they have now except for GX, which will have unique engines, sheetmetal and interior.

If LF-1/LQ is priced from say ~$80k+, that is great because it will fill a current hole in Lexus' lineup. We could have something like:

UX: $33 - 39k
NX: $37 - 47k
RX: $45 - 66k (incl RXL)
GX: $57 - 73k
LF-1: $80 - 93k
LX: $90 - 105k
S
@Gecko if they keep GX as it is, then still I would not mind some GQ model thats more performance based, which basically means RWD platform based... I bet it will sell decently enough.

As to LQ, I bet it will go over $100k, expect it to be $5k more than comparable LS.
S
@Gecko if they keep GX as it is, then still I would not mind some GQ model thats more performance based, which basically means RWD platform based... I bet it will sell decently enough.

As to LQ, I bet it will go over $100k, expect it to be $5k more than comparable LS.
S
@Gecko if they keep GX as it is, then still I would not mind some GQ model thats more performance based, which basically means RWD platform based... I bet it will sell decently enough.

As to LQ, I bet it will go over $100k, expect it to be $5k more than comparable LS.
M
spwolf
@Gecko if they keep GX as it is, then still I would not mind some GQ model thats more performance based, which basically means RWD platform based... I bet it will sell decently enough.

As to LQ, I bet it will go over $100k, expect it to be $5k more than comparable LS.
I also think it will be more expensive than the LS and more along the lines of the LC and above. I believe Lexus is looking at this as THE flagship (outside of the halo-level cars like the LFA) with how important of a market crossovers are today.
M
spwolf
@Gecko if they keep GX as it is, then still I would not mind some GQ model thats more performance based, which basically means RWD platform based... I bet it will sell decently enough.

As to LQ, I bet it will go over $100k, expect it to be $5k more than comparable LS.
I also think it will be more expensive than the LS and more along the lines of the LC and above. I believe Lexus is looking at this as THE flagship (outside of the halo-level cars like the LFA) with how important of a market crossovers are today.
M
spwolf
@Gecko if they keep GX as it is, then still I would not mind some GQ model thats more performance based, which basically means RWD platform based... I bet it will sell decently enough.

As to LQ, I bet it will go over $100k, expect it to be $5k more than comparable LS.
I also think it will be more expensive than the LS and more along the lines of the LC and above. I believe Lexus is looking at this as THE flagship (outside of the halo-level cars like the LFA) with how important of a market crossovers are today.
S
Best car has rendering, LQ-F coming in 2021 :-)

4.0l v8 bi-turbo 650hp :)





https://bestcarweb.jp/news/newcar/2757
S
Best car has rendering, LQ-F coming in 2021 :-)

4.0l v8 bi-turbo 650hp :)





https://bestcarweb.jp/news/newcar/2757
S
Best car has rendering, LQ-F coming in 2021 :-)

4.0l v8 bi-turbo 650hp :)





https://bestcarweb.jp/news/newcar/2757
maiaramdan
So someone correct me if I am wrong

1) I don't believe that there will be RQ, NQ or UQ

2) I do believe we may see also a GQ

In short

I do believe that the Q is for the 2 BOF vehicles that Lexus don't want then to go Uni-Body aka LX & GX so they will have them in both scenarios normal BOF as X and newly fashioned Uni-Body as Q
maiaramdan
So someone correct me if I am wrong

1) I don't believe that there will be RQ, NQ or UQ

2) I do believe we may see also a GQ

In short

I do believe that the Q is for the 2 BOF vehicles that Lexus don't want then to go Uni-Body aka LX & GX so they will have them in both scenarios normal BOF as X and newly fashioned Uni-Body as Q
maiaramdan
So someone correct me if I am wrong

1) I don't believe that there will be RQ, NQ or UQ

2) I do believe we may see also a GQ

In short

I do believe that the Q is for the 2 BOF vehicles that Lexus don't want then to go Uni-Body aka LX & GX so they will have them in both scenarios normal BOF as X and newly fashioned Uni-Body as Q
L
Really interested to know how close to production the concept is. It looks more production ready than the LC concept. Turbo V8 does fit this car, with it mid-engine layout, I also wonder it the production car will also be that way. If yes it might be the first mid-engine CUV. Except (Jeep Wrangler and Land Cruiser 70, SUVs are not mid-front). I then wonder how will Lexus solve the AWD issue with such a mid-front layout. I expect the Ferrari CUV to have a similar looking car, a lifted FF/GTC4 with two more door and mid-front engine. They also have to solve the AWD issue. Maybe the new BMW M850xi will show a breakthrough (though BMW usually disappoint tech-wise). With the long wheelbase, I expect the LQ also to have AWS as every car in this category.

Has anyone noticed the frameless doors? Do you think the production car will get them too? As of now, without counting old Subarus, there are only two CUVs that have frameless doors: The Maserati Levante and the pair Lamborghini Urus/Audi Q8. (Urus is basically a rebadged/rebodied Q8). One negative of frameless doors is the increased noise. I do not know if this issue has been completely mitigated compared to framed doors. But frameless doors are cool when windows are down and doors open.

I expect the LQs main rival will be the Q8 and Urus, which will be powered by V8 turbos and a probably plug-in version. Given the flop of the second generation R8, which is at least on the magnitude of the new NSX (my favorite supercar right now), as there will be no third generation, the Q8 will quite likely take the flagship role at Audi (with 2.0 TFSI engine to increase sales? lol), until its BEV cars arrive (if Tesla does not go bankrupt). Audi really lost it with the arrogant refusal to use the new RWD based platform. The A6 and A8 only out will have to live a whole generation on the old FWD based platform. Not to forget that the SUV platform is also still FWD based, in other words, nose heavy.

I also expect reviews mentioning how much more trunk volume the Q8 has, and saying how it is "more off-road capable with all the off-road tech it has, even though on track the LQ handles better and is faster, but who drives such CUVs on track?". I should probably start a satire car review website...
L
Really interested to know how close to production the concept is. It looks more production ready than the LC concept. Turbo V8 does fit this car, with it mid-engine layout, I also wonder it the production car will also be that way. If yes it might be the first mid-engine CUV. Except (Jeep Wrangler and Land Cruiser 70, SUVs are not mid-front). I then wonder how will Lexus solve the AWD issue with such a mid-front layout. I expect the Ferrari CUV to have a similar looking car, a lifted FF/GTC4 with two more door and mid-front engine. They also have to solve the AWD issue. Maybe the new BMW M850xi will show a breakthrough (though BMW usually disappoint tech-wise). With the long wheelbase, I expect the LQ also to have AWS as every car in this category.

Has anyone noticed the frameless doors? Do you think the production car will get them too? As of now, without counting old Subarus, there are only two CUVs that have frameless doors: The Maserati Levante and the pair Lamborghini Urus/Audi Q8. (Urus is basically a rebadged/rebodied Q8). One negative of frameless doors is the increased noise. I do not know if this issue has been completely mitigated compared to framed doors. But frameless doors are cool when windows are down and doors open.

I expect the LQs main rival will be the Q8 and Urus, which will be powered by V8 turbos and a probably plug-in version. Given the flop of the second generation R8, which is at least on the magnitude of the new NSX (my favorite supercar right now), as there will be no third generation, the Q8 will quite likely take the flagship role at Audi (with 2.0 TFSI engine to increase sales? lol), until its BEV cars arrive (if Tesla does not go bankrupt). Audi really lost it with the arrogant refusal to use the new RWD based platform. The A6 and A8 only out will have to live a whole generation on the old FWD based platform. Not to forget that the SUV platform is also still FWD based, in other words, nose heavy.

I also expect reviews mentioning how much more trunk volume the Q8 has, and saying how it is "more off-road capable with all the off-road tech it has, even though on track the LQ handles better and is faster, but who drives such CUVs on track?". I should probably start a satire car review website...
L
Really interested to know how close to production the concept is. It looks more production ready than the LC concept. Turbo V8 does fit this car, with it mid-engine layout, I also wonder it the production car will also be that way. If yes it might be the first mid-engine CUV. Except (Jeep Wrangler and Land Cruiser 70, SUVs are not mid-front). I then wonder how will Lexus solve the AWD issue with such a mid-front layout. I expect the Ferrari CUV to have a similar looking car, a lifted FF/GTC4 with two more door and mid-front engine. They also have to solve the AWD issue. Maybe the new BMW M850xi will show a breakthrough (though BMW usually disappoint tech-wise). With the long wheelbase, I expect the LQ also to have AWS as every car in this category.

Has anyone noticed the frameless doors? Do you think the production car will get them too? As of now, without counting old Subarus, there are only two CUVs that have frameless doors: The Maserati Levante and the pair Lamborghini Urus/Audi Q8. (Urus is basically a rebadged/rebodied Q8). One negative of frameless doors is the increased noise. I do not know if this issue has been completely mitigated compared to framed doors. But frameless doors are cool when windows are down and doors open.

I expect the LQs main rival will be the Q8 and Urus, which will be powered by V8 turbos and a probably plug-in version. Given the flop of the second generation R8, which is at least on the magnitude of the new NSX (my favorite supercar right now), as there will be no third generation, the Q8 will quite likely take the flagship role at Audi (with 2.0 TFSI engine to increase sales? lol), until its BEV cars arrive (if Tesla does not go bankrupt). Audi really lost it with the arrogant refusal to use the new RWD based platform. The A6 and A8 only out will have to live a whole generation on the old FWD based platform. Not to forget that the SUV platform is also still FWD based, in other words, nose heavy.

I also expect reviews mentioning how much more trunk volume the Q8 has, and saying how it is "more off-road capable with all the off-road tech it has, even though on track the LQ handles better and is faster, but who drives such CUVs on track?". I should probably start a satire car review website...
Gecko
spwolf


That font end is still a little much for me, but DAMN does it look good in black.
Gecko
spwolf


That font end is still a little much for me, but DAMN does it look good in black.
Gecko
spwolf


That font end is still a little much for me, but DAMN does it look good in black.
S
Levi
They also have to solve the AWD issue. Maybe the new BMW M850xi will show a breakthrough (though BMW usually disappoint tech-wise). With the long wheelbase, I expect the LQ also to have AWS as every car in this category.

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I expect the LQs main rival will be the Q8 and Urus, which will be powered by V8 turbos and a probably plug-in version. Given the flop of the second generation R8, which is at least on the magnitude of the new NSX (my favorite supercar right now), as there will be no third generation, the Q8 will quite likely take the flagship role at Audi (with 2.0 TFSI engine to increase sales? lol), until its BEV cars arrive (if Tesla does not go bankrupt). Audi really lost it with the arrogant refusal to use the new RWD based platform. The A6 and A8 only out will have to live a whole generation on the old FWD based platform. Not to forget that the SUV platform is also still FWD based, in other words, nose heavy.
Article indeed does mention Urus and Cayenne as competitors .

As to the AWD, both LS500 and LS500h already have full time awd system.
S
Levi
They also have to solve the AWD issue. Maybe the new BMW M850xi will show a breakthrough (though BMW usually disappoint tech-wise). With the long wheelbase, I expect the LQ also to have AWS as every car in this category.

-----

I expect the LQs main rival will be the Q8 and Urus, which will be powered by V8 turbos and a probably plug-in version. Given the flop of the second generation R8, which is at least on the magnitude of the new NSX (my favorite supercar right now), as there will be no third generation, the Q8 will quite likely take the flagship role at Audi (with 2.0 TFSI engine to increase sales? lol), until its BEV cars arrive (if Tesla does not go bankrupt). Audi really lost it with the arrogant refusal to use the new RWD based platform. The A6 and A8 only out will have to live a whole generation on the old FWD based platform. Not to forget that the SUV platform is also still FWD based, in other words, nose heavy.
Article indeed does mention Urus and Cayenne as competitors .

As to the AWD, both LS500 and LS500h already have full time awd system.
S
Levi
They also have to solve the AWD issue. Maybe the new BMW M850xi will show a breakthrough (though BMW usually disappoint tech-wise). With the long wheelbase, I expect the LQ also to have AWS as every car in this category.

-----

I expect the LQs main rival will be the Q8 and Urus, which will be powered by V8 turbos and a probably plug-in version. Given the flop of the second generation R8, which is at least on the magnitude of the new NSX (my favorite supercar right now), as there will be no third generation, the Q8 will quite likely take the flagship role at Audi (with 2.0 TFSI engine to increase sales? lol), until its BEV cars arrive (if Tesla does not go bankrupt). Audi really lost it with the arrogant refusal to use the new RWD based platform. The A6 and A8 only out will have to live a whole generation on the old FWD based platform. Not to forget that the SUV platform is also still FWD based, in other words, nose heavy.
Article indeed does mention Urus and Cayenne as competitors .

As to the AWD, both LS500 and LS500h already have full time awd system.
krew
krew

Rendered: The Production Lexus LF-1 Limitless Crossover
[​IMG]

Absolutely stunning.
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krew
krew

Rendered: The Production Lexus LF-1 Limitless Crossover
[​IMG]

Absolutely stunning.
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krew
krew

Rendered: The Production Lexus LF-1 Limitless Crossover
[​IMG]

Absolutely stunning.
View the original article post
S
p.s. We are always wondering how many SUVs are enough... but look at it this way - Today, SUV/CUV make 70% of the sales. Leaving only 30% for passenger vehicles.

So yeah, just like before when we had coupes, convertibles, wagons, even models like 5 GT from BMW, we are going to get many similar SUV/CUV models that have different aspiration.

When it comes to regular cars, 15 years ago here in Europe we have had 3 (!!!) Toyota MPVs... Yaris Verso, Corolla Verso and Avensis Verso.
Now MPVs are dead, so there is only 1 and it has not been updated in a while.

So all of that, as well as Avensis and Avensis Wagon will spill into variation of SUV/CUV category. So between $25k and $45k we will have 7-8 Toyota CUVs to pick from simply because this will become 70% of their sales.

Same will end up being true for Lexus. Now Lexus has much higher margins so they can allow themselves to do more sedans than Toyota, simply because break-even point is much less.. but there is no doubt that in few years, we will have CUVs for everything.
S
p.s. We are always wondering how many SUVs are enough... but look at it this way - Today, SUV/CUV make 70% of the sales. Leaving only 30% for passenger vehicles.

So yeah, just like before when we had coupes, convertibles, wagons, even models like 5 GT from BMW, we are going to get many similar SUV/CUV models that have different aspiration.

When it comes to regular cars, 15 years ago here in Europe we have had 3 (!!!) Toyota MPVs... Yaris Verso, Corolla Verso and Avensis Verso.
Now MPVs are dead, so there is only 1 and it has not been updated in a while.

So all of that, as well as Avensis and Avensis Wagon will spill into variation of SUV/CUV category. So between $25k and $45k we will have 7-8 Toyota CUVs to pick from simply because this will become 70% of their sales.

Same will end up being true for Lexus. Now Lexus has much higher margins so they can allow themselves to do more sedans than Toyota, simply because break-even point is much less.. but there is no doubt that in few years, we will have CUVs for everything.
S
p.s. We are always wondering how many SUVs are enough... but look at it this way - Today, SUV/CUV make 70% of the sales. Leaving only 30% for passenger vehicles.

So yeah, just like before when we had coupes, convertibles, wagons, even models like 5 GT from BMW, we are going to get many similar SUV/CUV models that have different aspiration.

When it comes to regular cars, 15 years ago here in Europe we have had 3 (!!!) Toyota MPVs... Yaris Verso, Corolla Verso and Avensis Verso.
Now MPVs are dead, so there is only 1 and it has not been updated in a while.

So all of that, as well as Avensis and Avensis Wagon will spill into variation of SUV/CUV category. So between $25k and $45k we will have 7-8 Toyota CUVs to pick from simply because this will become 70% of their sales.

Same will end up being true for Lexus. Now Lexus has much higher margins so they can allow themselves to do more sedans than Toyota, simply because break-even point is much less.. but there is no doubt that in few years, we will have CUVs for everything.

S