Lexus LF-1 Production Crossover to Debut in 2020?

Posted by Kevin on November 26th, 2018

Japanese website Spyder7 is reporting that Lexus will release a production version of the LF-1 Limitless crossover in 2020, just three years after the concept debuted at the 2018 Detroit Auto Show.

Powering the new flagship crossover will be the twin-turbo V6 engine from the LS 500, though Spyder7 suggests a minor power boost up to 424 horsepower. The V6 hybrid engine from the LS/LC 500h will also be used.

Added to the rumor is a production F-brand version of the LF-1, using the much-rumored twin-turbo V8 that we’ve been hearing since before the introduction of the LC coupe. In this incarnation, the LF-1 F would be putting out 661 horsepower and cost $150,000 USD, an amazing power-to-cost ratio when compared to the Lamborghini Urus with its 641 hp and $200,000 price tag.

(Bumping up the horsepower in this hypothetical engine is a smart idea — Lexus has fallen behind competitors in recent times, and could use the boost from a powertrain that outpaces the market average.)

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meth.ix
Joaquin Ruhi
Those are some very interesting charts comparing the LF-1 to the rest of the Lexus lineup... the LF-1 is more wagon-like but also more car-like than the "X" models, sort of another reminder that crossovers are the future. And how it is very RWD biased/based(?) and also lower than the NX.

Do you have any other pictures of the other comparison charts?
meth.ix
Joaquin Ruhi
Those are some very interesting charts comparing the LF-1 to the rest of the Lexus lineup... the LF-1 is more wagon-like but also more car-like than the "X" models, sort of another reminder that crossovers are the future. And how it is very RWD biased/based(?) and also lower than the NX.

Do you have any other pictures of the other comparison charts?
meth.ix
Joaquin Ruhi
Those are some very interesting charts comparing the LF-1 to the rest of the Lexus lineup... the LF-1 is more wagon-like but also more car-like than the "X" models, sort of another reminder that crossovers are the future. And how it is very RWD biased/based(?) and also lower than the NX.

Do you have any other pictures of the other comparison charts?
Joaquin Ruhi
meth.ix
Do you have any other pictures of the other comparison charts?
Unfortunately, no. That photo is part of Motor Trend's LF-1 Limitless article, and I'm not even sure Lexus bothered to make similar charts of its model lineup or other concepts. It'd be awesome if they did, though.
Joaquin Ruhi
meth.ix
Do you have any other pictures of the other comparison charts?
Unfortunately, no. That photo is part of Motor Trend's LF-1 Limitless article, and I'm not even sure Lexus bothered to make similar charts of its model lineup or other concepts. It'd be awesome if they did, though.
Joaquin Ruhi
meth.ix
Do you have any other pictures of the other comparison charts?
Unfortunately, no. That photo is part of Motor Trend's LF-1 Limitless article, and I'm not even sure Lexus bothered to make similar charts of its model lineup or other concepts. It'd be awesome if they did, though.
mikeavelli
Yesterday I drove the following:
RX 350 F-Sport
LC 500 Performance pack
LS 500 F-Sport AWD

The order was LC, RX, LC then LS. Absolutely no disrespect to the RX, we own one, but the ride and handling of the LC and LS are so superior it made my head spin. It became immediately apparent that a SUV/LF-1 based on this same platform using the same principles of the LC/LS would be a grand slam.

Lexus build it and they will come!
mikeavelli
Yesterday I drove the following:
RX 350 F-Sport
LC 500 Performance pack
LS 500 F-Sport AWD

The order was LC, RX, LC then LS. Absolutely no disrespect to the RX, we own one, but the ride and handling of the LC and LS are so superior it made my head spin. It became immediately apparent that a SUV/LF-1 based on this same platform using the same principles of the LC/LS would be a grand slam.

Lexus build it and they will come!
mikeavelli
Yesterday I drove the following:
RX 350 F-Sport
LC 500 Performance pack
LS 500 F-Sport AWD

The order was LC, RX, LC then LS. Absolutely no disrespect to the RX, we own one, but the ride and handling of the LC and LS are so superior it made my head spin. It became immediately apparent that a SUV/LF-1 based on this same platform using the same principles of the LC/LS would be a grand slam.

Lexus build it and they will come!
krew
Production Lexus LF-1 Crossover Coming in 2021?

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Production Lexus LF-1 Crossover Coming in 2021?

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Is it just me or the LT 1 crossover rendering look better than the Range Rover Velar.
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Is it just me or the LT 1 crossover rendering look better than the Range Rover Velar.
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Is it just me or the LT 1 crossover rendering look better than the Range Rover Velar.
maiaramdan
wow
I think it will be late for the game if the date is correct

Lexus needs a RWD CUV maybe '20 or even'19
maiaramdan
wow
I think it will be late for the game if the date is correct

Lexus needs a RWD CUV maybe '20 or even'19
maiaramdan
wow
I think it will be late for the game if the date is correct

Lexus needs a RWD CUV maybe '20 or even'19
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maiaramdan
wow
I think it will be late for the game if the date is correct

Lexus needs a RWD CUV maybe '20 or even'19
Unfortunately they have way too many projects at hand already. Feel sorry for the engineers; I heard from one of their drivetrain engineers that they have been working 160 hours/month overtimes for over a year.
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maiaramdan
wow
I think it will be late for the game if the date is correct

Lexus needs a RWD CUV maybe '20 or even'19
Unfortunately they have way too many projects at hand already. Feel sorry for the engineers; I heard from one of their drivetrain engineers that they have been working 160 hours/month overtimes for over a year.
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maiaramdan
wow
I think it will be late for the game if the date is correct

Lexus needs a RWD CUV maybe '20 or even'19
Unfortunately they have way too many projects at hand already. Feel sorry for the engineers; I heard from one of their drivetrain engineers that they have been working 160 hours/month overtimes for over a year.
Gecko
ssun30
Unfortunately they have way too many projects at hand already. Feel sorry for the engineers; I heard from one of their drivetrain engineers that they have been working 160 hours/month overtimes for over a year.
They've had the whole last decade to make a new engine. Why so much overtime now that they're already late?
Gecko
ssun30
Unfortunately they have way too many projects at hand already. Feel sorry for the engineers; I heard from one of their drivetrain engineers that they have been working 160 hours/month overtimes for over a year.
They've had the whole last decade to make a new engine. Why so much overtime now that they're already late?
Gecko
ssun30
Unfortunately they have way too many projects at hand already. Feel sorry for the engineers; I heard from one of their drivetrain engineers that they have been working 160 hours/month overtimes for over a year.
They've had the whole last decade to make a new engine. Why so much overtime now that they're already late?
maiaramdan
@Gecko
That's exactly my thinking, Lexus is not established in the previous 2 years to get that load. They are nearly 30 years now
maiaramdan
@Gecko
That's exactly my thinking, Lexus is not established in the previous 2 years to get that load. They are nearly 30 years now
maiaramdan
@Gecko
That's exactly my thinking, Lexus is not established in the previous 2 years to get that load. They are nearly 30 years now
S
Gecko
They've had the whole last decade to make a new engine. Why so much overtime now that they're already late?
There are four things to consider here:
1) Japanese corporate culture. They already have 60-hour working week plus on average 40-hour overtime per month during 'easy' years.
2) The engineer in question is an engine calibration engineer, which is easily the most demanding automotive job except for maybe test engineers. This is because they need to recalibrate even the same engine for every car it is equipped on. That means an IS300 has a different ECU software compared to a NX300. Setting up and running these tests take enormous amount of engineering time. TMC is in full cost-cutting mode these days and refuse to add more equipment and manpower to run more parallel jobs.
The design and mechanical guys actually have a much easier time. The design and prototyping phases of the engine are pretty straight forward.
3) TNGA pushed way too many projects back. Remember the 5LS was supposed to appear three years ago? Most of the current Lexus lineup are interim gap fillers before the complete overhaul to TNGA. That's why they didn't even bother with BoF redesigns. TNGA is trading temporary competitiveness for long-term gains, and the interim years wasn't really bad for TMC as a whole. Unfortunately that came at a painful cost of the Lexus division's sedan business.
4) They are working on 2025 engines today. Back in 2006 and 2007, the GR series was so far ahead of time that even today it remains relevant. That's because the engine was conceived and component-tested since early 90s. Dynamic Force 1.0 was two years late because of TNGA delaying its deployment, but 2.0 is on track.
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Gecko
They've had the whole last decade to make a new engine. Why so much overtime now that they're already late?
There are four things to consider here:
1) Japanese corporate culture. They already have 60-hour working week plus on average 40-hour overtime per month during 'easy' years.
2) The engineer in question is an engine calibration engineer, which is easily the most demanding automotive job except for maybe test engineers. This is because they need to recalibrate even the same engine for every car it is equipped on. That means an IS300 has a different ECU software compared to a NX300. Setting up and running these tests take enormous amount of engineering time. TMC is in full cost-cutting mode these days and refuse to add more equipment and manpower to run more parallel jobs.
The design and mechanical guys actually have a much easier time. The design and prototyping phases of the engine are pretty straight forward.
3) TNGA pushed way too many projects back. Remember the 5LS was supposed to appear three years ago? Most of the current Lexus lineup are interim gap fillers before the complete overhaul to TNGA. That's why they didn't even bother with BoF redesigns. TNGA is trading temporary competitiveness for long-term gains, and the interim years wasn't really bad for TMC as a whole. Unfortunately that came at a painful cost of the Lexus division's sedan business.
4) They are working on 2025 engines today. Back in 2006 and 2007, the GR series was so far ahead of time that even today it remains relevant. That's because the engine was conceived and component-tested since early 90s. Dynamic Force 1.0 was two years late because of TNGA delaying its deployment, but 2.0 is on track.
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Gecko
They've had the whole last decade to make a new engine. Why so much overtime now that they're already late?
There are four things to consider here:
1) Japanese corporate culture. They already have 60-hour working week plus on average 40-hour overtime per month during 'easy' years.
2) The engineer in question is an engine calibration engineer, which is easily the most demanding automotive job except for maybe test engineers. This is because they need to recalibrate even the same engine for every car it is equipped on. That means an IS300 has a different ECU software compared to a NX300. Setting up and running these tests take enormous amount of engineering time. TMC is in full cost-cutting mode these days and refuse to add more equipment and manpower to run more parallel jobs.
The design and mechanical guys actually have a much easier time. The design and prototyping phases of the engine are pretty straight forward.
3) TNGA pushed way too many projects back. Remember the 5LS was supposed to appear three years ago? Most of the current Lexus lineup are interim gap fillers before the complete overhaul to TNGA. That's why they didn't even bother with BoF redesigns. TNGA is trading temporary competitiveness for long-term gains, and the interim years wasn't really bad for TMC as a whole. Unfortunately that came at a painful cost of the Lexus division's sedan business.
4) They are working on 2025 engines today. Back in 2006 and 2007, the GR series was so far ahead of time that even today it remains relevant. That's because the engine was conceived and component-tested since early 90s. Dynamic Force 1.0 was two years late because of TNGA delaying its deployment, but 2.0 is on track.

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