Rendered: The Next-Generation Lexus IS Sedan

Posted by Kevin on October 5th, 2018

Renderings of the next-generation Lexus IS are a favorite of the Japanese automotive press — this attempt by (a currently unknown) magazine was posted yesterday by a Lexus fan on Instagram:

Lexus IS Rear Next-Generation

The differences between this photochop and the existing model are minimal — the only changes are with the front and rear bumpers, making this rendering seem more like a mid-cycle refresh. That said, the design of the current IS sedan has never been a weakness, and maintaining some consistency across generations would not be a bad move.

The magazine mentions a 2021 release along with some preliminary dimensions:

Lexus IS Dimensions Next-Generation

Compared to the current model, the next-generation IS length and wheelbase would grow by 4cm, with all other measurements staying the same. Also mentioned is a 2.5L engine with 181 horsepower, which makes absolutely no sense and I’m choosing to ignore.

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I assume this is only an imagination by the editor right?
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I really like that render... an evolution of 3IS with some LS/LC mixed in. Who is it from? If it's from someone like Best Car, I say that's probably pretty accurate since they were 95% right with their RX, LS and ES renders.
Gecko
I really like that render... an evolution of 3IS with some LS/LC mixed in. Who is it from? If it's from someone like Best Car, I say that's probably pretty accurate since they were 95% right with their RX, LS and ES renders.
Gecko
I really like that render... an evolution of 3IS with some LS/LC mixed in. Who is it from? If it's from someone like Best Car, I say that's probably pretty accurate since they were 95% right with their RX, LS and ES renders.
Gecko
I really like that render... an evolution of 3IS with some LS/LC mixed in. Who is it from? If it's from someone like Best Car, I say that's probably pretty accurate since they were 95% right with their RX, LS and ES renders.
Gecko
I really like that render... an evolution of 3IS with some LS/LC mixed in. Who is it from? If it's from someone like Best Car, I say that's probably pretty accurate since they were 95% right with their RX, LS and ES renders.
Gecko
I really like that render... an evolution of 3IS with some LS/LC mixed in. Who is it from? If it's from someone like Best Car, I say that's probably pretty accurate since they were 95% right with their RX, LS and ES renders.
Gecko
Sakura
I think people complaining (especially the people at ClubLexus) about the power within the 8AR Lexus IS300 don't really understand the point of the Lexus IS300.
The Lexus IS300 has always been a competitor to the Infiniti Q50 2.0T, BMW 320i, and the Audi A4 FWD Ultra. Its pretty much the "cheaper" entry-level model to their RWD luxury sedan. The Lexus IS300, within that competition, is the better car out of all of them. It doesn't need a power upgrade nor much. It just need to relatively stay in cheaper end in terms of price.
If Toyota up the power of the Lexus IS300 too much, it'll push the vehicle into 330i/Audi A4 Quattro competition, which is where the Lexus IS350 competes.
Toyota needs to keep the Lexus IS300 low on power to stay the entry-level model - especially since - within the Lexus IS line - the Lexus IS300 is their money maker for the car.

Secondly - the Lexus IS350 - competes with the 330i, Audi A4 Quattro, Infiniti Q50 Silver Sport and the C300. I do find it odd people keep comparing the Lexus IS350 to cars like the S4, 340i, Q50 Red Sport and C43 AMG. The Lexus IS350 doesn't compete there. Within the competition the Lexus IS350 competes in currently, its the second fastest car. Its still relatively a competitive engine.

This is why I think - the TTV6 will either come to the Lexus IS in two ways. Either a new Lexus "IS400" or the return of the "IS-F". Giving the fact that Toyota is a bunch of bean-counters, they'll probably produce a Lexus IS-F before a Lexus IS400. I think this because people who buy a Lexus IS tends to buy the Lexus IS300 anyways. The Lexus IS400, much like the M340i, are a niche sale. They'll probably pull more IS-F sales than IS400 sales.

Just because the 330i weighs below 3.6 pounds doesn't mean the Lexus IS will. Didn't Lexus spokesperson say somewhere before they are planning to stop following the Germans and doing their own thing?
4K pounds is not too heavy to compete in the segment. The Infiniti Q50 is almost 4K pounds.
With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
Gecko
Sakura
I think people complaining (especially the people at ClubLexus) about the power within the 8AR Lexus IS300 don't really understand the point of the Lexus IS300.
The Lexus IS300 has always been a competitor to the Infiniti Q50 2.0T, BMW 320i, and the Audi A4 FWD Ultra. Its pretty much the "cheaper" entry-level model to their RWD luxury sedan. The Lexus IS300, within that competition, is the better car out of all of them. It doesn't need a power upgrade nor much. It just need to relatively stay in cheaper end in terms of price.
If Toyota up the power of the Lexus IS300 too much, it'll push the vehicle into 330i/Audi A4 Quattro competition, which is where the Lexus IS350 competes.
Toyota needs to keep the Lexus IS300 low on power to stay the entry-level model - especially since - within the Lexus IS line - the Lexus IS300 is their money maker for the car.

Secondly - the Lexus IS350 - competes with the 330i, Audi A4 Quattro, Infiniti Q50 Silver Sport and the C300. I do find it odd people keep comparing the Lexus IS350 to cars like the S4, 340i, Q50 Red Sport and C43 AMG. The Lexus IS350 doesn't compete there. Within the competition the Lexus IS350 competes in currently, its the second fastest car. Its still relatively a competitive engine.

This is why I think - the TTV6 will either come to the Lexus IS in two ways. Either a new Lexus "IS400" or the return of the "IS-F". Giving the fact that Toyota is a bunch of bean-counters, they'll probably produce a Lexus IS-F before a Lexus IS400. I think this because people who buy a Lexus IS tends to buy the Lexus IS300 anyways. The Lexus IS400, much like the M340i, are a niche sale. They'll probably pull more IS-F sales than IS400 sales.

Just because the 330i weighs below 3.6 pounds doesn't mean the Lexus IS will. Didn't Lexus spokesperson say somewhere before they are planning to stop following the Germans and doing their own thing?
4K pounds is not too heavy to compete in the segment. The Infiniti Q50 is almost 4K pounds.
With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
Gecko
Sakura
I think people complaining (especially the people at ClubLexus) about the power within the 8AR Lexus IS300 don't really understand the point of the Lexus IS300.
The Lexus IS300 has always been a competitor to the Infiniti Q50 2.0T, BMW 320i, and the Audi A4 FWD Ultra. Its pretty much the "cheaper" entry-level model to their RWD luxury sedan. The Lexus IS300, within that competition, is the better car out of all of them. It doesn't need a power upgrade nor much. It just need to relatively stay in cheaper end in terms of price.
If Toyota up the power of the Lexus IS300 too much, it'll push the vehicle into 330i/Audi A4 Quattro competition, which is where the Lexus IS350 competes.
Toyota needs to keep the Lexus IS300 low on power to stay the entry-level model - especially since - within the Lexus IS line - the Lexus IS300 is their money maker for the car.

Secondly - the Lexus IS350 - competes with the 330i, Audi A4 Quattro, Infiniti Q50 Silver Sport and the C300. I do find it odd people keep comparing the Lexus IS350 to cars like the S4, 340i, Q50 Red Sport and C43 AMG. The Lexus IS350 doesn't compete there. Within the competition the Lexus IS350 competes in currently, its the second fastest car. Its still relatively a competitive engine.

This is why I think - the TTV6 will either come to the Lexus IS in two ways. Either a new Lexus "IS400" or the return of the "IS-F". Giving the fact that Toyota is a bunch of bean-counters, they'll probably produce a Lexus IS-F before a Lexus IS400. I think this because people who buy a Lexus IS tends to buy the Lexus IS300 anyways. The Lexus IS400, much like the M340i, are a niche sale. They'll probably pull more IS-F sales than IS400 sales.

Just because the 330i weighs below 3.6 pounds doesn't mean the Lexus IS will. Didn't Lexus spokesperson say somewhere before they are planning to stop following the Germans and doing their own thing?
4K pounds is not too heavy to compete in the segment. The Infiniti Q50 is almost 4K pounds.
With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
Gecko
Sakura
I think people complaining (especially the people at ClubLexus) about the power within the 8AR Lexus IS300 don't really understand the point of the Lexus IS300.
The Lexus IS300 has always been a competitor to the Infiniti Q50 2.0T, BMW 320i, and the Audi A4 FWD Ultra. Its pretty much the "cheaper" entry-level model to their RWD luxury sedan. The Lexus IS300, within that competition, is the better car out of all of them. It doesn't need a power upgrade nor much. It just need to relatively stay in cheaper end in terms of price.
If Toyota up the power of the Lexus IS300 too much, it'll push the vehicle into 330i/Audi A4 Quattro competition, which is where the Lexus IS350 competes.
Toyota needs to keep the Lexus IS300 low on power to stay the entry-level model - especially since - within the Lexus IS line - the Lexus IS300 is their money maker for the car.

Secondly - the Lexus IS350 - competes with the 330i, Audi A4 Quattro, Infiniti Q50 Silver Sport and the C300. I do find it odd people keep comparing the Lexus IS350 to cars like the S4, 340i, Q50 Red Sport and C43 AMG. The Lexus IS350 doesn't compete there. Within the competition the Lexus IS350 competes in currently, its the second fastest car. Its still relatively a competitive engine.

This is why I think - the TTV6 will either come to the Lexus IS in two ways. Either a new Lexus "IS400" or the return of the "IS-F". Giving the fact that Toyota is a bunch of bean-counters, they'll probably produce a Lexus IS-F before a Lexus IS400. I think this because people who buy a Lexus IS tends to buy the Lexus IS300 anyways. The Lexus IS400, much like the M340i, are a niche sale. They'll probably pull more IS-F sales than IS400 sales.

Just because the 330i weighs below 3.6 pounds doesn't mean the Lexus IS will. Didn't Lexus spokesperson say somewhere before they are planning to stop following the Germans and doing their own thing?
4K pounds is not too heavy to compete in the segment. The Infiniti Q50 is almost 4K pounds.
With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
Gecko
Sakura
I think people complaining (especially the people at ClubLexus) about the power within the 8AR Lexus IS300 don't really understand the point of the Lexus IS300.
The Lexus IS300 has always been a competitor to the Infiniti Q50 2.0T, BMW 320i, and the Audi A4 FWD Ultra. Its pretty much the "cheaper" entry-level model to their RWD luxury sedan. The Lexus IS300, within that competition, is the better car out of all of them. It doesn't need a power upgrade nor much. It just need to relatively stay in cheaper end in terms of price.
If Toyota up the power of the Lexus IS300 too much, it'll push the vehicle into 330i/Audi A4 Quattro competition, which is where the Lexus IS350 competes.
Toyota needs to keep the Lexus IS300 low on power to stay the entry-level model - especially since - within the Lexus IS line - the Lexus IS300 is their money maker for the car.

Secondly - the Lexus IS350 - competes with the 330i, Audi A4 Quattro, Infiniti Q50 Silver Sport and the C300. I do find it odd people keep comparing the Lexus IS350 to cars like the S4, 340i, Q50 Red Sport and C43 AMG. The Lexus IS350 doesn't compete there. Within the competition the Lexus IS350 competes in currently, its the second fastest car. Its still relatively a competitive engine.

This is why I think - the TTV6 will either come to the Lexus IS in two ways. Either a new Lexus "IS400" or the return of the "IS-F". Giving the fact that Toyota is a bunch of bean-counters, they'll probably produce a Lexus IS-F before a Lexus IS400. I think this because people who buy a Lexus IS tends to buy the Lexus IS300 anyways. The Lexus IS400, much like the M340i, are a niche sale. They'll probably pull more IS-F sales than IS400 sales.

Just because the 330i weighs below 3.6 pounds doesn't mean the Lexus IS will. Didn't Lexus spokesperson say somewhere before they are planning to stop following the Germans and doing their own thing?
4K pounds is not too heavy to compete in the segment. The Infiniti Q50 is almost 4K pounds.
With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
Gecko
Sakura
I think people complaining (especially the people at ClubLexus) about the power within the 8AR Lexus IS300 don't really understand the point of the Lexus IS300.
The Lexus IS300 has always been a competitor to the Infiniti Q50 2.0T, BMW 320i, and the Audi A4 FWD Ultra. Its pretty much the "cheaper" entry-level model to their RWD luxury sedan. The Lexus IS300, within that competition, is the better car out of all of them. It doesn't need a power upgrade nor much. It just need to relatively stay in cheaper end in terms of price.
If Toyota up the power of the Lexus IS300 too much, it'll push the vehicle into 330i/Audi A4 Quattro competition, which is where the Lexus IS350 competes.
Toyota needs to keep the Lexus IS300 low on power to stay the entry-level model - especially since - within the Lexus IS line - the Lexus IS300 is their money maker for the car.

Secondly - the Lexus IS350 - competes with the 330i, Audi A4 Quattro, Infiniti Q50 Silver Sport and the C300. I do find it odd people keep comparing the Lexus IS350 to cars like the S4, 340i, Q50 Red Sport and C43 AMG. The Lexus IS350 doesn't compete there. Within the competition the Lexus IS350 competes in currently, its the second fastest car. Its still relatively a competitive engine.

This is why I think - the TTV6 will either come to the Lexus IS in two ways. Either a new Lexus "IS400" or the return of the "IS-F". Giving the fact that Toyota is a bunch of bean-counters, they'll probably produce a Lexus IS-F before a Lexus IS400. I think this because people who buy a Lexus IS tends to buy the Lexus IS300 anyways. The Lexus IS400, much like the M340i, are a niche sale. They'll probably pull more IS-F sales than IS400 sales.

Just because the 330i weighs below 3.6 pounds doesn't mean the Lexus IS will. Didn't Lexus spokesperson say somewhere before they are planning to stop following the Germans and doing their own thing?
4K pounds is not too heavy to compete in the segment. The Infiniti Q50 is almost 4K pounds.
With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
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Japanese actually shiw petrol engine specs separwtely for hybrids, so those numbers seem right.

Not sure how does the weight compare to current Japanese measurements of is400h?
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With all do respect... this reeks of excuses for Lexus' lack of innovation and progress while the entire class has moved forward around them. IS 300 has always been compared to 2.0T versions of 3er, C and A4. IS 350 has always been compared to 6 cyl 335i/340i, C350 before it vanished, Q50 V6, etc. The problem is that everyone else has introduced newer versions of all of their engines, as well as new high performance variants, which has put Lexus' outdated engines in a strange "in-between" place. The competitive set for IS 300 was never 320i, like the competitive set for IS 350 was never 325i/330i. This has just become the case because Lexus has not done anything to help the IS during it's lifecycle.

Next time around, IS needs a refined 2.0T as well as some engine variant with ~400hp. IS with 2.0T will compete against 330i, C300, A4 2.0T, etc. IS with ~400hp will compete against 340i, C43 AMG, S4, etc. IS F needs to have 500hp+ to compete with M3, C63, etc.
Of course, all respect going around, this is just a friendly chat. :)

In the past - the Lexus IS250 has always marked as the base-level entry level buy while the IS350 was the top trim. Essentially - there is 2 trims levels similarity at the time - the Germans (BMW) had two trim levels too (328i and 335i).
However - has time passed. BMW's 335i gotten faster thus creating a "Pre-M" "Pre-AMG" "Pre-Sports model car" competition. So then BMW needed cars to fill the lower void, that's when the 320i and 330i came in.
This in turn make the Lexus IS300 and IS350 change the competition they are in. We can't assume competition is always fixed. As in - if they competed there before - they gotta compete there again.

So its not that the Lexus IS300 doesn't compete with the BMW 320i or the Lexus IS350 doesn't compete with the 330i - is that Lexus doesn't have a car to compete with the M340i, C43 AMG, S4, and Red Sport Q50.
^ ---The only way for this to happen is if they offered a "IS400". If they decide to push the IS300 and IS350 up the scale, it would effectively make both cars more expensive. Meaning they are shooting over the Lexus ES price-line. Lexus has always kept the IS/ES price relatively close together.
This is why - I think the IS300/IS350 will remain unchanged. Its either they introduce a "IS400" or the return of the IS-F.

But then again - my money is on the IS-F because:
They have been quoted many times they aren't going to chase the Germans anymore. From a car enthusiasts perspective, I would love a TTV6 IS400. I'll buy it the day of. But would the mass public? Probably not. Like most 3 Series - the most sold is the low-end 3 Series.
This is why I think a TTV6 IS-F is more likely - its more bean-counter.

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