Rendered: The Next-Generation Lexus IS Sedan

Posted by Kevin on October 5th, 2018

Renderings of the next-generation Lexus IS are a favorite of the Japanese automotive press — this attempt by (a currently unknown) magazine was posted yesterday by a Lexus fan on Instagram:

Lexus IS Rear Next-Generation

The differences between this photochop and the existing model are minimal — the only changes are with the front and rear bumpers, making this rendering seem more like a mid-cycle refresh. That said, the design of the current IS sedan has never been a weakness, and maintaining some consistency across generations would not be a bad move.

The magazine mentions a 2021 release along with some preliminary dimensions:

Lexus IS Dimensions Next-Generation

Compared to the current model, the next-generation IS length and wheelbase would grow by 4cm, with all other measurements staying the same. Also mentioned is a 2.5L engine with 181 horsepower, which makes absolutely no sense and I’m choosing to ignore.

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Gecko
I also expect that in the absence of GS, the 3.5L TT V6 IS and IS F will have extended appeal beyond just the compact class (even if just for loyal Lexus buyers and return GS customers).
Gecko
I also expect that in the absence of GS, the 3.5L TT V6 IS and IS F will have extended appeal beyond just the compact class (even if just for loyal Lexus buyers and return GS customers).
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

It all matters down to specification, conditions of the weather (though this should affect turbocharged cars less than naturally aspirated variants), equipment to measure, etc.
The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

It all matters down to specification, conditions of the weather (though this should affect turbocharged cars less than naturally aspirated variants), equipment to measure, etc.
The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

It all matters down to specification, conditions of the weather (though this should affect turbocharged cars less than naturally aspirated variants), equipment to measure, etc.
The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

It all matters down to specification, conditions of the weather (though this should affect turbocharged cars less than naturally aspirated variants), equipment to measure, etc.
The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

It all matters down to specification, conditions of the weather (though this should affect turbocharged cars less than naturally aspirated variants), equipment to measure, etc.
The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Did you take a look at your tests again? Look at the difference in weight. I mentioned that the 4.6 second range is possible. Remember when I said......

The LS tested from C&D is 270 lbs heavier than Lexus' car that they used for the 0-60 times. While, the BMW is just a smidgen heavier, accounting for the same (or even faster 0-60 time). Well duh, the weight obviously ruins everything.

This is an example where I would defend Lexus because they won't BS anybody. That claim is correct. People have gotten much closer to the claimed time with heavier weight too. Now imagine the car being 270 lbs lighter......

Also, remember that if the BMW were to be equipped as heavily as the Lexus, the LS500 would literally walk away from it like it was nothing, and you can say goodbye to the 600 lbs deficit in weight and the measly 0.2 second 0-60 time. A better driver behind the wheel could easily mitigate that. 320 hp (even if its underrated), will not be enough to go toe-to-toe with the LS if they had the same curb weight. 96 horsepower difference is no joke.

Think again. Your argument is a moot point. You even displayed the curb weight yourself. *sigh*
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
F1 Silver Arrows
Gecko
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
F1 Silver Arrows
Gecko
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
F1 Silver Arrows
Gecko
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
F1 Silver Arrows
Gecko
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
F1 Silver Arrows
Gecko
Have you ever seen a test where the LS or LC 500 met their quoted 0-60 times of 4.6 and 4.4 seconds? I haven't.

I don't think it really matters that much because the people who buy these cars aren't caring much about a .4 or 1 second variance 0-60, but the point is real and valid: Lexus has been very optimistic when quoting their performance times. When a single real-world instrumented test cannot match the manufacturer quoted times, that isn't weather, instrumentation or testing conditions... that's proof.
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
Links to videos?
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
Links to videos?
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
Links to videos?
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
Links to videos?
Gecko
F1 Silver Arrows
Yes. I have. There has been a couple of car reviewers on Youtube who claim it hit the 4.6 second time as well. It doesn't matter, you're right, but they're not lying. :)
Links to videos?
S
As I've said before BMW's straight line speed does not only come from under-rating the motor. Their expertise in drivetrain calibration is second to none. The engine, transmission, and control software work in such harmony that the car almost turn all available grip into useful acceleration. Their engines also hold a massive advantage over the competition in terms of turbo lag. All the 0.1s they shave off here and there accumulate into a notable advantage.

If you just look at the correlation between acceleration figures and power-to-weight ratio, Lexus is not lagging behind others: everyone lag behind BMW.
S
As I've said before BMW's straight line speed does not only come from under-rating the motor. Their expertise in drivetrain calibration is second to none. The engine, transmission, and control software work in such harmony that the car almost turn all available grip into useful acceleration. Their engines also hold a massive advantage over the competition in terms of turbo lag. All the 0.1s they shave off here and there accumulate into a notable advantage.

If you just look at the correlation between acceleration figures and power-to-weight ratio, Lexus is not lagging behind others: everyone lag behind BMW.
S
As I've said before BMW's straight line speed does not only come from under-rating the motor. Their expertise in drivetrain calibration is second to none. The engine, transmission, and control software work in such harmony that the car almost turn all available grip into useful acceleration. Their engines also hold a massive advantage over the competition in terms of turbo lag. All the 0.1s they shave off here and there accumulate into a notable advantage.

If you just look at the correlation between acceleration figures and power-to-weight ratio, Lexus is not lagging behind others: everyone lag behind BMW.
S
As I've said before BMW's straight line speed does not only come from under-rating the motor. Their expertise in drivetrain calibration is second to none. The engine, transmission, and control software work in such harmony that the car almost turn all available grip into useful acceleration. Their engines also hold a massive advantage over the competition in terms of turbo lag. All the 0.1s they shave off here and there accumulate into a notable advantage.

If you just look at the correlation between acceleration figures and power-to-weight ratio, Lexus is not lagging behind others: everyone lag behind BMW.
S
As I've said before BMW's straight line speed does not only come from under-rating the motor. Their expertise in drivetrain calibration is second to none. The engine, transmission, and control software work in such harmony that the car almost turn all available grip into useful acceleration. Their engines also hold a massive advantage over the competition in terms of turbo lag. All the 0.1s they shave off here and there accumulate into a notable advantage.

If you just look at the correlation between acceleration figures and power-to-weight ratio, Lexus is not lagging behind others: everyone lag behind BMW.
I
^ Sounds like with BEVs, that BMW advantage gets dwindled down significantly? :)

I wonder how reliable BMW BEVs are going to be. Heard from an acquaintance that his i3 is quite reliable.
I
^ Sounds like with BEVs, that BMW advantage gets dwindled down significantly? :)

I wonder how reliable BMW BEVs are going to be. Heard from an acquaintance that his i3 is quite reliable.
I
^ Sounds like with BEVs, that BMW advantage gets dwindled down significantly? :)

I wonder how reliable BMW BEVs are going to be. Heard from an acquaintance that his i3 is quite reliable.

I