Rendered: The Next-Generation Lexus IS Sedan

Posted by Kevin on October 5th, 2018

Renderings of the next-generation Lexus IS are a favorite of the Japanese automotive press — this attempt by (a currently unknown) magazine was posted yesterday by a Lexus fan on Instagram:

Lexus IS Rear Next-Generation

The differences between this photochop and the existing model are minimal — the only changes are with the front and rear bumpers, making this rendering seem more like a mid-cycle refresh. That said, the design of the current IS sedan has never been a weakness, and maintaining some consistency across generations would not be a bad move.

The magazine mentions a 2021 release along with some preliminary dimensions:

Lexus IS Dimensions Next-Generation

Compared to the current model, the next-generation IS length and wheelbase would grow by 4cm, with all other measurements staying the same. Also mentioned is a 2.5L engine with 181 horsepower, which makes absolutely no sense and I’m choosing to ignore.

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maiaramdan
Wow 2013-2021
Hope they wasn't this lazy
Carmaker1
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
No, I strongly disagree (industry basis). 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.)

For a platform on its last legs, merely a heavy redo of a longtime aging platform that might even date back to 1991, Toyota needs to get this the hell out ASAP and is already pushing it, by allowing the facelifted IS to run 4 years without further aesthetic and major mechanical improvements. Should've been rushed for NYIAS reveal, then Q4 2019 launch as MY 2020 or Q1 2020 like LS in 2018. This car won't even be seen until Chicago 2020 or later, since no NAIAS in January.

The N platform just might even date back to 1991 via S140 cars, with New N being introduced in 2011-12 on the L10, 2013 for IS, and likely hindering the ability to introduce a TTV6 pre-2020 because of limitations.

A 2021 release means, the 2GR V6 only changed a smidgen (just once!) over a 16-year period for IS 350. That right there is pitiful and reeks of grossly resting on their laurels. The GS is suffering, as the actual customer for it can already perceive the lack of improvement in certain areas and made the choice to buy something else, until Lexus makes the necessary enhancements.

Some form of cognitive dissonance has allowed product planners to be blind to that and just cancel the GS redesign. The IS 350 suffers from that, where the existing and targeted customer base for such a vehicle, are not being motivated by the lack of changes to buy or lease another.

On a side note: It does annoy me when people try to make it seem as if, just because other Lexus customers and overall segment buyers, "don't care about numbers", doesn't mean this applies to buyers of the range-topping 350s, 3.0t RSes, M340is, and 450 AMGs. An IS 300 I4 RWD buyer is not a IS 350 buyer, who given consideration to spend more money for more performance and prestige in some cases.

These kind of buyers pay more attention to numbers and will not buy, unlike the IS300 RWD buyer, who just wants a good deal on a flashy car or strictly is being prudent.

A car with the once highly competitive engine in 2005, will NOT stand tall in 2018, just because of a suffix and Atkinson cycle changes, small increase in hp.

I am strongly highlighting this, to point out I disagree fervently that the IS will not come with a new twin-turbo V6 to replace the IS 350 or supplant it as a non-F variant range topper.

In advance, the LS offering this engine doesn't mean other Lexus vehicles cannot use it. Once upon a time, the IS had a petrol 5.0 litre V8 and flagship LS600hL similar to it. Not to mention even GS 460 and LS 460 for a brief spell.

Also, ES is irrelevant to whether or not the IS will benefit from such an engine. The ES does not compete with the 3-Series, C-Class, XE, and Q50. So, therefore the ES 350 suffices with 2GR-FKS. Honestly, a detuned AWD ES 400 would be a little better. In fact, back in late 2015 and early 2016, there were turbo ES mules running around New York and elsewhere.

When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Carmaker1
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
No, I strongly disagree (industry basis). 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.)

For a platform on its last legs, merely a heavy redo of a longtime aging platform that might even date back to 1991, Toyota needs to get this the hell out ASAP and is already pushing it, by allowing the facelifted IS to run 4 years without further aesthetic and major mechanical improvements. Should've been rushed for NYIAS reveal, then Q4 2019 launch as MY 2020 or Q1 2020 like LS in 2018. This car won't even be seen until Chicago 2020 or later, since no NAIAS in January.

The N platform just might even date back to 1991 via S140 cars, with New N being introduced in 2011-12 on the L10, 2013 for IS, and likely hindering the ability to introduce a TTV6 pre-2020 because of limitations.

A 2021 release means, the 2GR V6 only changed a smidgen (just once!) over a 16-year period for IS 350. That right there is pitiful and reeks of grossly resting on their laurels. The GS is suffering, as the actual customer for it can already perceive the lack of improvement in certain areas and made the choice to buy something else, until Lexus makes the necessary enhancements.

Some form of cognitive dissonance has allowed product planners to be blind to that and just cancel the GS redesign. The IS 350 suffers from that, where the existing and targeted customer base for such a vehicle, are not being motivated by the lack of changes to buy or lease another.

On a side note: It does annoy me when people try to make it seem as if, just because other Lexus customers and overall segment buyers, "don't care about numbers", doesn't mean this applies to buyers of the range-topping 350s, 3.0t RSes, M340is, and 450 AMGs. An IS 300 I4 RWD buyer is not a IS 350 buyer, who given consideration to spend more money for more performance and prestige in some cases.

These kind of buyers pay more attention to numbers and will not buy, unlike the IS300 RWD buyer, who just wants a good deal on a flashy car or strictly is being prudent.

A car with the once highly competitive engine in 2005, will NOT stand tall in 2018, just because of a suffix and Atkinson cycle changes, small increase in hp.

I am strongly highlighting this, to point out I disagree fervently that the IS will not come with a new twin-turbo V6 to replace the IS 350 or supplant it as a non-F variant range topper.

In advance, the LS offering this engine doesn't mean other Lexus vehicles cannot use it. Once upon a time, the IS had a petrol 5.0 litre V8 and flagship LS600hL similar to it. Not to mention even GS 460 and LS 460 for a brief spell.

Also, ES is irrelevant to whether or not the IS will benefit from such an engine. The ES does not compete with the 3-Series, C-Class, XE, and Q50. So, therefore the ES 350 suffices with 2GR-FKS. Honestly, a detuned AWD ES 400 would be a little better. In fact, back in late 2015 and early 2016, there were turbo ES mules running around New York and elsewhere.

When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Carmaker1
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
No, I strongly disagree (industry basis). 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.)

For a platform on its last legs, merely a heavy redo of a longtime aging platform that might even date back to 1991, Toyota needs to get this the hell out ASAP and is already pushing it, by allowing the facelifted IS to run 4 years without further aesthetic and major mechanical improvements. Should've been rushed for NYIAS reveal, then Q4 2019 launch as MY 2020 or Q1 2020 like LS in 2018. This car won't even be seen until Chicago 2020 or later, since no NAIAS in January.

The N platform just might even date back to 1991 via S140 cars, with New N being introduced in 2011-12 on the L10, 2013 for IS, and likely hindering the ability to introduce a TTV6 pre-2020 because of limitations.

A 2021 release means, the 2GR V6 only changed a smidgen (just once!) over a 16-year period for IS 350. That right there is pitiful and reeks of grossly resting on their laurels. The GS is suffering, as the actual customer for it can already perceive the lack of improvement in certain areas and made the choice to buy something else, until Lexus makes the necessary enhancements.

Some form of cognitive dissonance has allowed product planners to be blind to that and just cancel the GS redesign. The IS 350 suffers from that, where the existing and targeted customer base for such a vehicle, are not being motivated by the lack of changes to buy or lease another.

On a side note: It does annoy me when people try to make it seem as if, just because other Lexus customers and overall segment buyers, "don't care about numbers", doesn't mean this applies to buyers of the range-topping 350s, 3.0t RSes, M340is, and 450 AMGs. An IS 300 I4 RWD buyer is not a IS 350 buyer, who given consideration to spend more money for more performance and prestige in some cases.

These kind of buyers pay more attention to numbers and will not buy, unlike the IS300 RWD buyer, who just wants a good deal on a flashy car or strictly is being prudent.

A car with the once highly competitive engine in 2005, will NOT stand tall in 2018, just because of a suffix and Atkinson cycle changes, small increase in hp.

I am strongly highlighting this, to point out I disagree fervently that the IS will not come with a new twin-turbo V6 to replace the IS 350 or supplant it as a non-F variant range topper.

In advance, the LS offering this engine doesn't mean other Lexus vehicles cannot use it. Once upon a time, the IS had a petrol 5.0 litre V8 and flagship LS600hL similar to it. Not to mention even GS 460 and LS 460 for a brief spell.

Also, ES is irrelevant to whether or not the IS will benefit from such an engine. The ES does not compete with the 3-Series, C-Class, XE, and Q50. So, therefore the ES 350 suffices with 2GR-FKS. Honestly, a detuned AWD ES 400 would be a little better. In fact, back in late 2015 and early 2016, there were turbo ES mules running around New York and elsewhere.

When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Carmaker1
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
No, I strongly disagree (industry basis). 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.)

For a platform on its last legs, merely a heavy redo of a longtime aging platform that might even date back to 1991, Toyota needs to get this the hell out ASAP and is already pushing it, by allowing the facelifted IS to run 4 years without further aesthetic and major mechanical improvements. Should've been rushed for NYIAS reveal, then Q4 2019 launch as MY 2020 or Q1 2020 like LS in 2018. This car won't even be seen until Chicago 2020 or later, since no NAIAS in January.

The N platform just might even date back to 1991 via S140 cars, with New N being introduced in 2011-12 on the L10, 2013 for IS, and likely hindering the ability to introduce a TTV6 pre-2020 because of limitations.

A 2021 release means, the 2GR V6 only changed a smidgen (just once!) over a 16-year period for IS 350. That right there is pitiful and reeks of grossly resting on their laurels. The GS is suffering, as the actual customer for it can already perceive the lack of improvement in certain areas and made the choice to buy something else, until Lexus makes the necessary enhancements.

Some form of cognitive dissonance has allowed product planners to be blind to that and just cancel the GS redesign. The IS 350 suffers from that, where the existing and targeted customer base for such a vehicle, are not being motivated by the lack of changes to buy or lease another.

On a side note: It does annoy me when people try to make it seem as if, just because other Lexus customers and overall segment buyers, "don't care about numbers", doesn't mean this applies to buyers of the range-topping 350s, 3.0t RSes, M340is, and 450 AMGs. An IS 300 I4 RWD buyer is not a IS 350 buyer, who given consideration to spend more money for more performance and prestige in some cases.

These kind of buyers pay more attention to numbers and will not buy, unlike the IS300 RWD buyer, who just wants a good deal on a flashy car or strictly is being prudent.

A car with the once highly competitive engine in 2005, will NOT stand tall in 2018, just because of a suffix and Atkinson cycle changes, small increase in hp.

I am strongly highlighting this, to point out I disagree fervently that the IS will not come with a new twin-turbo V6 to replace the IS 350 or supplant it as a non-F variant range topper.

In advance, the LS offering this engine doesn't mean other Lexus vehicles cannot use it. Once upon a time, the IS had a petrol 5.0 litre V8 and flagship LS600hL similar to it. Not to mention even GS 460 and LS 460 for a brief spell.

Also, ES is irrelevant to whether or not the IS will benefit from such an engine. The ES does not compete with the 3-Series, C-Class, XE, and Q50. So, therefore the ES 350 suffices with 2GR-FKS. Honestly, a detuned AWD ES 400 would be a little better. In fact, back in late 2015 and early 2016, there were turbo ES mules running around New York and elsewhere.

When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Joaquin Ruhi
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
Carmaker1
No, I strongly disagree. 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Joaquin Ruhi
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
Carmaker1
No, I strongly disagree. 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Joaquin Ruhi
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
Carmaker1
No, I strongly disagree. 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Joaquin Ruhi
joepac
2021 is a perfect (for me) release date! My 2010 IS350 will likely need replacing by then or I can hand it down to my son who will be turning 16 then! C'Mon Lexus, don't let me down!
Carmaker1
No, I strongly disagree. 2021 is not a good release date nor is it the actual date, unless you live in a territory that gets staggered launches after JDM and USA. (Buying an XE40 6-9 months in, is not a bad idea, as it will not be Job #1 anymore.
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
MichaelL
Joaquin Ruhi
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Thanks for the info. That is very late IMHO, good luck selling the current car until then. The current IS is uncompetitive with the market, and is far behind the A4 and C Class, and wait until the class leader 3 Series is released in a couple months... they will really not sell. Every car publication puts the IS behind their competition now, even Consumer Reports which usually loves the brand based on reliability. They had the IS300 AWD as the worst car in its segment. It is more than just the engines it is the whole car. Sorry to sound harsh but it is true. Research it and tell me you would buy the current IS over the competition.
MichaelL
Joaquin Ruhi
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Thanks for the info. That is very late IMHO, good luck selling the current car until then. The current IS is uncompetitive with the market, and is far behind the A4 and C Class, and wait until the class leader 3 Series is released in a couple months... they will really not sell. Every car publication puts the IS behind their competition now, even Consumer Reports which usually loves the brand based on reliability. They had the IS300 AWD as the worst car in its segment. It is more than just the engines it is the whole car. Sorry to sound harsh but it is true. Research it and tell me you would buy the current IS over the competition.
MichaelL
Joaquin Ruhi
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Thanks for the info. That is very late IMHO, good luck selling the current car until then. The current IS is uncompetitive with the market, and is far behind the A4 and C Class, and wait until the class leader 3 Series is released in a couple months... they will really not sell. Every car publication puts the IS behind their competition now, even Consumer Reports which usually loves the brand based on reliability. They had the IS300 AWD as the worst car in its segment. It is more than just the engines it is the whole car. Sorry to sound harsh but it is true. Research it and tell me you would buy the current IS over the competition.
MichaelL
Joaquin Ruhi
Based on that Australian Performance Drive article and information previously posted here by Carmaker1, the 4th-gen Lexus IS (program code 400A) goes into production on July 2020 for a 2021 model year launch in the 4th quarter of the 2020 calendar year in major markets such as Japan, North America and Europe.
Thanks for the info. That is very late IMHO, good luck selling the current car until then. The current IS is uncompetitive with the market, and is far behind the A4 and C Class, and wait until the class leader 3 Series is released in a couple months... they will really not sell. Every car publication puts the IS behind their competition now, even Consumer Reports which usually loves the brand based on reliability. They had the IS300 AWD as the worst car in its segment. It is more than just the engines it is the whole car. Sorry to sound harsh but it is true. Research it and tell me you would buy the current IS over the competition.
S
Carmaker1
When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
S
Carmaker1
When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
S
Carmaker1
When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
S
Carmaker1
When your competitors are offering TT 6-cylinders, don't bring a bat to a gunfight and show up with a NA V6 in use essentially for 2 previous generations into a 3rd one! I really cannot stomach nor entertain justifications, as to why they should keep the current 3.5L unchanged upon redesign.

I like and respect the Lexus brand, but I will never be an apologist for bad product planning.
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
S
ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
i think you guys are confusing some things :)

There will be no 3.5TT engine as base for IS/ES/RX or if GS continues to exists.

Question is for base, if 2GR better than 2.0t? Yes, it is. Especially for US market... As we can see in Camry application, it is top of the class engine with latest upgrades.

Now for upgrade engine, now that they have it, you bet they will put it everywhere, and without decreasing the output either... this is why new LC300 is rumored to be with same 3.5tt doing same 4xxhp.

As to the competition, their best selling engine in the segment is 2.0t, even in the US.
S
ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
i think you guys are confusing some things :)

There will be no 3.5TT engine as base for IS/ES/RX or if GS continues to exists.

Question is for base, if 2GR better than 2.0t? Yes, it is. Especially for US market... As we can see in Camry application, it is top of the class engine with latest upgrades.

Now for upgrade engine, now that they have it, you bet they will put it everywhere, and without decreasing the output either... this is why new LC300 is rumored to be with same 3.5tt doing same 4xxhp.

As to the competition, their best selling engine in the segment is 2.0t, even in the US.
S
ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
i think you guys are confusing some things :)

There will be no 3.5TT engine as base for IS/ES/RX or if GS continues to exists.

Question is for base, if 2GR better than 2.0t? Yes, it is. Especially for US market... As we can see in Camry application, it is top of the class engine with latest upgrades.

Now for upgrade engine, now that they have it, you bet they will put it everywhere, and without decreasing the output either... this is why new LC300 is rumored to be with same 3.5tt doing same 4xxhp.

As to the competition, their best selling engine in the segment is 2.0t, even in the US.
S
ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.

I asked the same question again and again: how many new buyers or returning buyers would consider 'yet another IS350 carrying a 16-year-old engine'? What new capabilities would yet another naturally aspirated 3.5 V6 (which is not even guaranteed to surpass the 2GR's power in the first place) bring to the company?

People will NOT buy a 'big naturally aspirated V6' when it's no longer competitive. And it's even more ridiculous to suggest TMC should work on another 'big naturally aspirated V6' when there is already a capable engine aka the V35A-FTS at their disposal.
i think you guys are confusing some things :)

There will be no 3.5TT engine as base for IS/ES/RX or if GS continues to exists.

Question is for base, if 2GR better than 2.0t? Yes, it is. Especially for US market... As we can see in Camry application, it is top of the class engine with latest upgrades.

Now for upgrade engine, now that they have it, you bet they will put it everywhere, and without decreasing the output either... this is why new LC300 is rumored to be with same 3.5tt doing same 4xxhp.

As to the competition, their best selling engine in the segment is 2.0t, even in the US.
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Hello all I’ve just joined and is my first post in which I hope will be good news!

After breaking balls at lexus dealerships I’ve come into contact with an insider who has enlightened me to some very interesting news which we will see in the near future! For the next generation IS we will be seeing the LC’s hybrid system to take on the diesel competition as well as the established IS300h plus for those seeking a petrol variant there will be either a 200t or 300t (2.5TT V6) and a new IS400. A 400bhp+ 3.5TT V6 and is not an ISF as this is still in planing which “apparently” will return but am waiting for confirmation as to what engine will used. I have more information but will find the threads designated to what I know so far.

P.S the new IS generation will be coming the end of 2019 - beginning of 2020.
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Hello all I’ve just joined and is my first post in which I hope will be good news!

After breaking balls at lexus dealerships I’ve come into contact with an insider who has enlightened me to some very interesting news which we will see in the near future! For the next generation IS we will be seeing the LC’s hybrid system to take on the diesel competition as well as the established IS300h plus for those seeking a petrol variant there will be either a 200t or 300t (2.5TT V6) and a new IS400. A 400bhp+ 3.5TT V6 and is not an ISF as this is still in planing which “apparently” will return but am waiting for confirmation as to what engine will used. I have more information but will find the threads designated to what I know so far.

P.S the new IS generation will be coming the end of 2019 - beginning of 2020.
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Hello all I’ve just joined and is my first post in which I hope will be good news!

After breaking balls at lexus dealerships I’ve come into contact with an insider who has enlightened me to some very interesting news which we will see in the near future! For the next generation IS we will be seeing the LC’s hybrid system to take on the diesel competition as well as the established IS300h plus for those seeking a petrol variant there will be either a 200t or 300t (2.5TT V6) and a new IS400. A 400bhp+ 3.5TT V6 and is not an ISF as this is still in planing which “apparently” will return but am waiting for confirmation as to what engine will used. I have more information but will find the threads designated to what I know so far.

P.S the new IS generation will be coming the end of 2019 - beginning of 2020.
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Hello all I’ve just joined and is my first post in which I hope will be good news!

After breaking balls at lexus dealerships I’ve come into contact with an insider who has enlightened me to some very interesting news which we will see in the near future! For the next generation IS we will be seeing the LC’s hybrid system to take on the diesel competition as well as the established IS300h plus for those seeking a petrol variant there will be either a 200t or 300t (2.5TT V6) and a new IS400. A 400bhp+ 3.5TT V6 and is not an ISF as this is still in planing which “apparently” will return but am waiting for confirmation as to what engine will used. I have more information but will find the threads designated to what I know so far.

P.S the new IS generation will be coming the end of 2019 - beginning of 2020.
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ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.
As one of the Americans here, I have to clarify something. We don't necessarily prefer V6 or I6, so long as they're smooth and sound good. Yes, large NA motors are generally preferred over smaller turbo ones, but there's room in the market for both. Generally, it's the 4 cylinders that get the most flak over here.

I once read someone post something like "We Americans love V8s, hate 4 cylinders, and tolerate V6s as a compromise." This is mostly true, especially in the higher-end of the market. In the lower caste of automobiles, there's not much choice besides I4s.

Anyways, I'm a proponent of a naturally aspirated V35A, if only because it's the most practical option between both longitudinal and transverse mounting. In fantasy land, I'd love to see them build an inline 6 series for longitudinal platforms.
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ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.
As one of the Americans here, I have to clarify something. We don't necessarily prefer V6 or I6, so long as they're smooth and sound good. Yes, large NA motors are generally preferred over smaller turbo ones, but there's room in the market for both. Generally, it's the 4 cylinders that get the most flak over here.

I once read someone post something like "We Americans love V8s, hate 4 cylinders, and tolerate V6s as a compromise." This is mostly true, especially in the higher-end of the market. In the lower caste of automobiles, there's not much choice besides I4s.

Anyways, I'm a proponent of a naturally aspirated V35A, if only because it's the most practical option between both longitudinal and transverse mounting. In fantasy land, I'd love to see them build an inline 6 series for longitudinal platforms.
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ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.
As one of the Americans here, I have to clarify something. We don't necessarily prefer V6 or I6, so long as they're smooth and sound good. Yes, large NA motors are generally preferred over smaller turbo ones, but there's room in the market for both. Generally, it's the 4 cylinders that get the most flak over here.

I once read someone post something like "We Americans love V8s, hate 4 cylinders, and tolerate V6s as a compromise." This is mostly true, especially in the higher-end of the market. In the lower caste of automobiles, there's not much choice besides I4s.

Anyways, I'm a proponent of a naturally aspirated V35A, if only because it's the most practical option between both longitudinal and transverse mounting. In fantasy land, I'd love to see them build an inline 6 series for longitudinal platforms.
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ssun30
Thank you, dear sir, for this. You know, there is this almost religious defense for the 2GR on this forum that every time I suggest the next IS will not carry the 2GR I get defense like 'Americans like big naturally aspirated V6s' or 'Americans don't like turbos' when the best seller in the segment has a turbocharged inline-6.
As one of the Americans here, I have to clarify something. We don't necessarily prefer V6 or I6, so long as they're smooth and sound good. Yes, large NA motors are generally preferred over smaller turbo ones, but there's room in the market for both. Generally, it's the 4 cylinders that get the most flak over here.

I once read someone post something like "We Americans love V8s, hate 4 cylinders, and tolerate V6s as a compromise." This is mostly true, especially in the higher-end of the market. In the lower caste of automobiles, there's not much choice besides I4s.

Anyways, I'm a proponent of a naturally aspirated V35A, if only because it's the most practical option between both longitudinal and transverse mounting. In fantasy land, I'd love to see them build an inline 6 series for longitudinal platforms.
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LexiF
Hello all I’ve just joined and is my first post in which I hope will be good news!

After breaking balls at lexus dealerships I’ve come into contact with an insider who has enlightened me to some very interesting news which we will see in the near future! For the next generation IS we will be seeing the LC’s hybrid system to take on the diesel competition as well as the established IS300h plus for those seeking a petrol variant there will be either a 200t or 300t (2.5TT V6) and a new IS400. A 400bhp+ 3.5TT V6 and is not an ISF as this is still in planing which “apparently” will return but am waiting for confirmation as to what engine will used. I have more information but will find the threads designated to what I know so far.

P.S the new IS generation will be coming the end of 2019 - beginning of 2020.
Will this rumored IS400 take the place of the current IS350 in terms of hierarchy and pricing?

Here in Canada, we have the IS300 RWD with the base 2.0T, then the IS300 AWD with a 3.5L V6, and topped by the IS350 AWD with the same 3.5L V6 but tuned to full power.

So basically you're saying that there will be a base 2.0T, a mid-range 2.5T for the IS300, and a 3.5TT V6 for what was formerly the IS350?

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