Rendered: The Next-Generation Lexus IS Sedan

Posted by Kevin on October 5th, 2018

Renderings of the next-generation Lexus IS are a favorite of the Japanese automotive press — this attempt by (a currently unknown) magazine was posted yesterday by a Lexus fan on Instagram:

Lexus IS Rear Next-Generation

The differences between this photochop and the existing model are minimal — the only changes are with the front and rear bumpers, making this rendering seem more like a mid-cycle refresh. That said, the design of the current IS sedan has never been a weakness, and maintaining some consistency across generations would not be a bad move.

The magazine mentions a 2021 release along with some preliminary dimensions:

Lexus IS Dimensions Next-Generation

Compared to the current model, the next-generation IS length and wheelbase would grow by 4cm, with all other measurements staying the same. Also mentioned is a 2.5L engine with 181 horsepower, which makes absolutely no sense and I’m choosing to ignore.

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Next-Generation Lexus IS Sedan to Grow in Size?
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Mag-X reports a wheelbase bigger than the current GS.
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TheNerdyPotato
Another reason why Toyota hasn't made many AWD cars may be because they own a 20% stake of Subaru. Since AWD is one of Subaru's main selling points, Toyota may be trying to not step on their toes. I know it's unlikely to happen, but it could be interesting to see an IS with a Subaru-sourced AWD drivetrain. This wouldn't work with some GA-L cars, which I've read are FMR layout, because the engine is always ahead of the front axle on Subaru powertrains.
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
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TheNerdyPotato
Another reason why Toyota hasn't made many AWD cars may be because they own a 20% stake of Subaru. Since AWD is one of Subaru's main selling points, Toyota may be trying to not step on their toes. I know it's unlikely to happen, but it could be interesting to see an IS with a Subaru-sourced AWD drivetrain. This wouldn't work with some GA-L cars, which I've read are FMR layout, because the engine is always ahead of the front axle on Subaru powertrains.
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
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TheNerdyPotato
Another reason why Toyota hasn't made many AWD cars may be because they own a 20% stake of Subaru. Since AWD is one of Subaru's main selling points, Toyota may be trying to not step on their toes. I know it's unlikely to happen, but it could be interesting to see an IS with a Subaru-sourced AWD drivetrain. This wouldn't work with some GA-L cars, which I've read are FMR layout, because the engine is always ahead of the front axle on Subaru powertrains.
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
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TheNerdyPotato
Another reason why Toyota hasn't made many AWD cars may be because they own a 20% stake of Subaru. Since AWD is one of Subaru's main selling points, Toyota may be trying to not step on their toes. I know it's unlikely to happen, but it could be interesting to see an IS with a Subaru-sourced AWD drivetrain. This wouldn't work with some GA-L cars, which I've read are FMR layout, because the engine is always ahead of the front axle on Subaru powertrains.
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
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The growth in size is pretty much given. But 4730 mm still sounds a little bit short...
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The growth in size is pretty much given. But 4730 mm still sounds a little bit short...
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The growth in size is pretty much given. But 4730 mm still sounds a little bit short...
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The growth in size is pretty much given. But 4730 mm still sounds a little bit short...
Carmaker1
As I said often, it is indeed on schedule for MY 2021 July SOP nd Merrill Lynch Car Wars were full of it, in claiming MY 2020. Question is, will this truly be a GA-L car or a new application called GA-N, based on new Crown?

spwolf
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
The Camry will go in that direction very, very soon anyway, as will the Avalon. The ES will be offered with AWD, starting in December 2018 for Europe and UK (if not already mentioned). And not to play semantics, but surely you remember the Camry was available with AWD until 1991 and Corolla until 1992.

Development of the RAV4 by 1990, shuttered an E100 All-Trac and early, but delayed plans for a Highlander -like offering (development started in 1996) against the XV10 of September 1991.

On a side note, according to Gecko, the 4Runner barely survived as it is since Generation 3-4. Naturally, a 4th generation 4runner (N210), would arrived by 2001.

In 1998, Toyota instead approved the final design of what was the Highlander/Kluger by May and finalized specifications in late October/early November on a new midsize platform. There were no plans to redesign the 4Runner allegedly, as this new model would arrive in early 2001, as a timely unibody replacement for it.

(Take note that the second generation model was released April 1989 as an early 1990MY, 5 years after the original 1984.5 and redesigned in September 1995 as the Hilux Surf (N180).)

It wasn't until a round of design efforts during 1999 and 2000, that anything bore fruit to the 4th generation 4Runner (N210), that arrived in October 2002 as a more luxurious offering (compared to N180), based on a more upscale Prado 120 and Lexus GX 470 (120-Series was developed with Lexus in mind from 1997). In many ways, the current 4Runner is handicapped as a North American offering, built in Japan.

My point is, Toyota don't always make the soundest decisions with product planning and sometimes have to catch themselves, before making final commitments during development stages and even later after launch.
Carmaker1
As I said often, it is indeed on schedule for MY 2021 July SOP nd Merrill Lynch Car Wars were full of it, in claiming MY 2020. Question is, will this truly be a GA-L car or a new application called GA-N, based on new Crown?

spwolf
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
The Camry will go in that direction very, very soon anyway, as will the Avalon. The ES will be offered with AWD, starting in December 2018 for Europe and UK (if not already mentioned). And not to play semantics, but surely you remember the Camry was available with AWD until 1991 and Corolla until 1992.

Development of the RAV4 by 1990, shuttered an E100 All-Trac and early, but delayed plans for a Highlander -like offering (development started in 1996) against the XV10 of September 1991.

On a side note, according to Gecko, the 4Runner barely survived as it is since Generation 3-4. Naturally, a 4th generation 4runner (N210), would arrived by 2001.

In 1998, Toyota instead approved the final design of what was the Highlander/Kluger by May and finalized specifications in late October/early November on a new midsize platform. There were no plans to redesign the 4Runner allegedly, as this new model would arrive in early 2001, as a timely unibody replacement for it.

(Take note that the second generation model was released April 1989 as an early 1990MY, 5 years after the original 1984.5 and redesigned in September 1995 as the Hilux Surf (N180).)

It wasn't until a round of design efforts during 1999 and 2000, that anything bore fruit to the 4th generation 4Runner (N210), that arrived in October 2002 as a more luxurious offering (compared to N180), based on a more upscale Prado 120 and Lexus GX 470 (120-Series was developed with Lexus in mind from 1997). In many ways, the current 4Runner is handicapped as a North American offering, built in Japan.

My point is, Toyota don't always make the soundest decisions with product planning and sometimes have to catch themselves, before making final commitments during development stages and even later after launch.
Carmaker1
As I said often, it is indeed on schedule for MY 2021 July SOP nd Merrill Lynch Car Wars were full of it, in claiming MY 2020. Question is, will this truly be a GA-L car or a new application called GA-N, based on new Crown?

spwolf
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
The Camry will go in that direction very, very soon anyway, as will the Avalon. The ES will be offered with AWD, starting in December 2018 for Europe and UK (if not already mentioned). And not to play semantics, but surely you remember the Camry was available with AWD until 1991 and Corolla until 1992.

Development of the RAV4 by 1990, shuttered an E100 All-Trac and early, but delayed plans for a Highlander -like offering (development started in 1996) against the XV10 of September 1991.

On a side note, according to Gecko, the 4Runner barely survived as it is since Generation 3-4. Naturally, a 4th generation 4runner (N210), would arrived by 2001.

In 1998, Toyota instead approved the final design of what was the Highlander/Kluger by May and finalized specifications in late October/early November on a new midsize platform. There were no plans to redesign the 4Runner allegedly, as this new model would arrive in early 2001, as a timely unibody replacement for it.

(Take note that the second generation model was released April 1989 as an early 1990MY, 5 years after the original 1984.5 and redesigned in September 1995 as the Hilux Surf (N180).)

It wasn't until a round of design efforts during 1999 and 2000, that anything bore fruit to the 4th generation 4Runner (N210), that arrived in October 2002 as a more luxurious offering (compared to N180), based on a more upscale Prado 120 and Lexus GX 470 (120-Series was developed with Lexus in mind from 1997). In many ways, the current 4Runner is handicapped as a North American offering, built in Japan.

My point is, Toyota don't always make the soundest decisions with product planning and sometimes have to catch themselves, before making final commitments during development stages and even later after launch.
Carmaker1
As I said often, it is indeed on schedule for MY 2021 July SOP nd Merrill Lynch Car Wars were full of it, in claiming MY 2020. Question is, will this truly be a GA-L car or a new application called GA-N, based on new Crown?

spwolf
They had nothing to do with anything. Only reason Toyota didn't make AWD Corolla or Camry before was that they did not seem it worth it.

Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world. Most Japanese Toyotas have some kind of AWD system.
The Camry will go in that direction very, very soon anyway, as will the Avalon. The ES will be offered with AWD, starting in December 2018 for Europe and UK (if not already mentioned). And not to play semantics, but surely you remember the Camry was available with AWD until 1991 and Corolla until 1992.

Development of the RAV4 by 1990, shuttered an E100 All-Trac and early, but delayed plans for a Highlander -like offering (development started in 1996) against the XV10 of September 1991.

On a side note, according to Gecko, the 4Runner barely survived as it is since Generation 3-4. Naturally, a 4th generation 4runner (N210), would arrived by 2001.

In 1998, Toyota instead approved the final design of what was the Highlander/Kluger by May and finalized specifications in late October/early November on a new midsize platform. There were no plans to redesign the 4Runner allegedly, as this new model would arrive in early 2001, as a timely unibody replacement for it.

(Take note that the second generation model was released April 1989 as an early 1990MY, 5 years after the original 1984.5 and redesigned in September 1995 as the Hilux Surf (N180).)

It wasn't until a round of design efforts during 1999 and 2000, that anything bore fruit to the 4th generation 4Runner (N210), that arrived in October 2002 as a more luxurious offering (compared to N180), based on a more upscale Prado 120 and Lexus GX 470 (120-Series was developed with Lexus in mind from 1997). In many ways, the current 4Runner is handicapped as a North American offering, built in Japan.

My point is, Toyota don't always make the soundest decisions with product planning and sometimes have to catch themselves, before making final commitments during development stages and even later after launch.
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spwolf
Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world.
Huh, did not know that.
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spwolf
Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world.
Huh, did not know that.
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spwolf
Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world.
Huh, did not know that.
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spwolf
Toyota also owns Torsen and is overall largest producer of 4x4 systems in the world.
Huh, did not know that.
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Carmaker1
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown? It is on TNGA-N.
Carmaker1
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown? It is on TNGA-N.
Carmaker1
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown? It is on TNGA-N.
Carmaker1
Joaquin Ruhi
If this Mag-X article turns out to be correct, given that 4IS will share the shorter of 3 available GA-L wheelbases with LC theoretically leaves room for a 5GS that shares the 2920mm (115") wheelbase with the 18th-gen Toyota Crown. That doesn't mean, of course, that there will be a 5GS...
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown? It is on TNGA-N.
Joaquin Ruhi
Carmaker1
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown?
Wow! I'm floored! All along, I was under the impression that Toyota Crown15 shared the GA-L platform with Lexus LC and LS. You mentioned Crown15 being on a TNGA-N platform a few minutes ago on another Lexus Enthusiast thread and was puzzled. But you're absolutely right. The latest update to Wikipedia's Toyota Crown article indeed states that it's on GA-N, and backs that up with this smoking gun: an article on the TNGA platform from Japanese website Prius-News.com
Joaquin Ruhi
Carmaker1
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown?
Wow! I'm floored! All along, I was under the impression that Toyota Crown15 shared the GA-L platform with Lexus LC and LS. You mentioned Crown15 being on a TNGA-N platform a few minutes ago on another Lexus Enthusiast thread and was puzzled. But you're absolutely right. The latest update to Wikipedia's Toyota Crown article indeed states that it's on GA-N, and backs that up with this smoking gun: an article on the TNGA platform from Japanese website Prius-News.com
Joaquin Ruhi
Carmaker1
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown?
Wow! I'm floored! All along, I was under the impression that Toyota Crown15 shared the GA-L platform with Lexus LC and LS. You mentioned Crown15 being on a TNGA-N platform a few minutes ago on another Lexus Enthusiast thread and was puzzled. But you're absolutely right. The latest update to Wikipedia's Toyota Crown article indeed states that it's on GA-N, and backs that up with this smoking gun: an article on the TNGA platform from Japanese website Prius-News.com
Joaquin Ruhi
Carmaker1
Does Mag X have the correct facts, when I have recently pointed out that the GA-L is not shared with the Crown?
Wow! I'm floored! All along, I was under the impression that Toyota Crown15 shared the GA-L platform with Lexus LC and LS. You mentioned Crown15 being on a TNGA-N platform a few minutes ago on another Lexus Enthusiast thread and was puzzled. But you're absolutely right. The latest update to Wikipedia's Toyota Crown article indeed states that it's on GA-N, and backs that up with this smoking gun: an article on the TNGA platform from Japanese website Prius-News.com
Carmaker1
Joaquin Ruhi
Wow! I'm floored! All along, I was under the impression that Toyota Crown18 shared the GA-L platform with Lexus LC and LS. You mentioned Crown18 being on a TNGA-N platform a few minutes ago on another Lexus Enthusiast thread and was puzzled. But you're absolutely right. The latest update to Wikipedia's Toyota Crown article indeed states that it's on GA-N, and backs that up with this smoking gun: an article on the TNGA platform from Japanese website Prius-News.com
Ironically, I am the one who corrected that on Wikipedia recently. Because I am guilty of claiming the Crown would debut TNGA-L, when such a thing doesn't seem to exist. Thanks to my being extra proactive with my S220 = TNGA-L (since S220 spy shots) last year, a lot of credible sources wrongfully went with that as valid. My fault honestly, so I am doing clean-up really quickly.:blush:

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