What Does the New Toyota Crown Mean for the Next-Generation Lexus GS?

Posted by Kevin on June 28th, 2018

Toyota has just released a next-generation Crown sedan exclusively for the Japanese market, making it the second such model I’ve posted about this week. However, unlike the Toyota Century, this new sedan might actually make an impact on the Lexus lineup.

There has been much discussion on the future of the Lexus GS, and that makes the Toyota Crown very important indeed. The two models have shared platforms and engines since 1993, this new Crown has been extensively redeveloped. It now uses a modified version of the GA-L platform from the new Lexus LS sedan & LC coupe, and the same hybrid powertrain also offered on both Lexus flagships. For all intents and purposes, this Toyota is already a Lexus underneath the sheet metal.

Not to discount the additional development required, but the Crown offers a basic shell that could be used for a next-generation Lexus GS. Exterior and interior styling would have to change, but then that plays exactly into the brand’s strengths. It should be noted that Lexus no longer needs a second mid-size sedan, but the GS could be refactored into a four-door coupe and be elevated to a more prestigious (and lucrative) segment.

It may all be in the timing, as Lexus has brought out three new cars (LC, LS, ES) into a market that prefers SUVs and crossovers. There’s been an understandable shift in priority for the brand, with the focus now shifting to the UX and the fast-tracked production version of the LF-1 Limitless crossover. But the pendulum will swing back at some point, and with the Toyota Crown, Lexus can easily have a new GS just waiting in the wings.

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maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
maiaramdan
3 weeks not so far
They still have in there pipeline the UX, RX-L, ES, CT (international) & RX FL all in 2018
With LSF & LCF as maybe
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
Joaquin Ruhi
This might be a good time to step back and take a holistic look at Toyota and Lexus' larger RWD sedan lines and their N, New N and TNGA-L (in Toyotaspeak) and GA-L (for Lexus) architectures.

Lexus GS (and its Toyota Aristo forebear) have always been especially closely related to Toyota's Mark X and sundry Crown models. And even as 4GS made its move from the old N to New N platform, it kept its 2850 mm (112.2") wheelbase in common with the current (old N) Mark X and Crown Athlete, Royal and Hybrid lines.

Longer Toyota and Lexus "old N"-based sedans are the current (6th-gen) Crown Majesta, with a 2925 mm (115.2") wheelbase and the outgoing Lexus 4LS (2969 mm / 116.9" SWB and 3091 mm / 121.7" LWB)

The first TNGA-L / GA-L architecture sedan is the Lexus 5LS, available exclusively with a 3125 mm (123") wheelbase. The second, presumably, will be the 15th-gen Crown Athlete / Royal / Hybrid foretold by the Crown Concept. The latter has a 2920 mm (115") wheelbase that virtually matches that of the heretofore longer and more prestigious Crown Majesta and is barely a couple of inches shy of the SWB version of the outgoing 4LS.

Longer wheelbases, however, are probably a given with the GA-L architecture. Like Nissan's aging FM platform (used on Nissan's 370Z and Infiniti's Q50/60/70 and outgoing QX50 and QX70), GA-L is a semi/quasi front-mid-engine platform. Toyota, like Nissan, fudges the definition by putting the engine's center of mass behind the front axle centerline, as opposed to true front-mid-engined cars (such as the Honda S2000 and NC and ND Mazda Miatas) where every inch of the engine block is behind the front axle centerline. Nonetheless, it is to be expected that GA-L platform vehicles will have longer wheelbases and, ideally, less front overhangs than their N-platform predecessors.

Assuming Lexus makes a 5GS and that it continues its relationship vis-a-vis the Crown15 (two huge assumptions, I know), expect a 70 mm (2.7") wheelbase stretch and a roughly 60 mm (2.3") longer body.

This is all, ultimately, an exercise in conventional wisdom-based hypotheticals. At this point, it seems that the future of Lexus' 5GS (and, I'd say, that of Toyota's JDM-only Mark X) are up in the air right now, and either could be discontinued or morph into something quite different from their current iterations.
S
IS-L would be the answer. A full-size sports sedan doesn't make sense anymore. The Mark X (and the Mark II family before it) has the 'right' size for a sports sedan: bigger than the IS but smaller than the Crown/GS. ABB will keep bloating their mid-size 3/A4/C as 5/A6/E grow to full-size. Current generation GS has the best ride quality in its class because it is also the smallest. If Lexus really wants to kill it, then bloating the IS will be the logical move.
The problem is, this IS-L will be even more expensive and become another victim of ES's success. It's just too hard to avoid collateral damage when the ES is too competitive at its price range.
S
IS-L would be the answer. A full-size sports sedan doesn't make sense anymore. The Mark X (and the Mark II family before it) has the 'right' size for a sports sedan: bigger than the IS but smaller than the Crown/GS. ABB will keep bloating their mid-size 3/A4/C as 5/A6/E grow to full-size. Current generation GS has the best ride quality in its class because it is also the smallest. If Lexus really wants to kill it, then bloating the IS will be the logical move.
The problem is, this IS-L will be even more expensive and become another victim of ES's success. It's just too hard to avoid collateral damage when the ES is too competitive at its price range.
S
IS-L would be the answer. A full-size sports sedan doesn't make sense anymore. The Mark X (and the Mark II family before it) has the 'right' size for a sports sedan: bigger than the IS but smaller than the Crown/GS. ABB will keep bloating their mid-size 3/A4/C as 5/A6/E grow to full-size. Current generation GS has the best ride quality in its class because it is also the smallest. If Lexus really wants to kill it, then bloating the IS will be the logical move.
The problem is, this IS-L will be even more expensive and become another victim of ES's success. It's just too hard to avoid collateral damage when the ES is too competitive at its price range.
S
IS-L would be the answer. A full-size sports sedan doesn't make sense anymore. The Mark X (and the Mark II family before it) has the 'right' size for a sports sedan: bigger than the IS but smaller than the Crown/GS. ABB will keep bloating their mid-size 3/A4/C as 5/A6/E grow to full-size. Current generation GS has the best ride quality in its class because it is also the smallest. If Lexus really wants to kill it, then bloating the IS will be the logical move.
The problem is, this IS-L will be even more expensive and become another victim of ES's success. It's just too hard to avoid collateral damage when the ES is too competitive at its price range.

S