Videos: Inside the 2019 Lexus ES & ES F SPORT

Levi

• passive torque distribution control (mechanical differential)
• passive torque distribution control (passive braking)
  
• braking control (active braking)
• torque vectoring control (active differential)

new system is likely more affordable than regular systems and fuel saving, but yeah it can distribute torque to each wheel individually.

I mean Toyota has owned Torsen for a long time now, 14 years or so, there is no reason for them to be able to adopt single, better system across the board.

Otherwise, they have previously used various different systems for various vehicles, for instance most of their Japanese vehicles, even cheap Yaris, have full time AWD system.

Levi

• passive torque distribution control (mechanical differential)
• passive torque distribution control (passive braking)
  
• braking control (active braking)
• torque vectoring control (active differential)

new system is likely more affordable than regular systems and fuel saving, but yeah it can distribute torque to each wheel individually.

I mean Toyota has owned Torsen for a long time now, 14 years or so, there is no reason for them to be able to adopt single, better system across the board.

Otherwise, they have previously used various different systems for various vehicles, for instance most of their Japanese vehicles, even cheap Yaris, have full time AWD system.

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

bogglo

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

car looks stunning for the price.

bogglo

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

car looks stunning for the price.

bogglo

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

car looks stunning for the price.

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

F1 Silver Arrows

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

They just introduced new torque vectoring system that mechanically sends power to each wheel individually:

The new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system is used in gasoline engine vehicles. By adopting a torque vectoring mechanism, which independently distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels according to driving conditions, the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system enables the driver to steer the vehicle exactly as intended. It achieves high off-road performance even on the toughest roads. It also incorporates a disconnect mechanism, which features the world's first ratchet-type dog clutches1 on both the front and rear wheel shafts. These clutches stop the drive system rotations, which transmit driving force to rear wheels when in 2WD mode, significantly reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency.

https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/powertrain2018/4wd/

It is optional on Rav4 - only for offroad edition, and featured on UX 2.0l
They also introduced new e-four that can send more power to the back.

They are also missing another model from the list, not sure what could that be? Base models Rav4 will have traction control based system but it is not listed below as "new".


LS500 and LS500h AWD are of course full time awd, as always with their RWD platforms.

F1 Silver Arrows

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

They just introduced new torque vectoring system that mechanically sends power to each wheel individually:

The new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system is used in gasoline engine vehicles. By adopting a torque vectoring mechanism, which independently distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels according to driving conditions, the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system enables the driver to steer the vehicle exactly as intended. It achieves high off-road performance even on the toughest roads. It also incorporates a disconnect mechanism, which features the world's first ratchet-type dog clutches1 on both the front and rear wheel shafts. These clutches stop the drive system rotations, which transmit driving force to rear wheels when in 2WD mode, significantly reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency.

https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/powertrain2018/4wd/

It is optional on Rav4 - only for offroad edition, and featured on UX 2.0l
They also introduced new e-four that can send more power to the back.

They are also missing another model from the list, not sure what could that be? Base models Rav4 will have traction control based system but it is not listed below as "new".


LS500 and LS500h AWD are of course full time awd, as always with their RWD platforms.

F1 Silver Arrows

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

They just introduced new torque vectoring system that mechanically sends power to each wheel individually:

The new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system is used in gasoline engine vehicles. By adopting a torque vectoring mechanism, which independently distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels according to driving conditions, the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system enables the driver to steer the vehicle exactly as intended. It achieves high off-road performance even on the toughest roads. It also incorporates a disconnect mechanism, which features the world's first ratchet-type dog clutches1 on both the front and rear wheel shafts. These clutches stop the drive system rotations, which transmit driving force to rear wheels when in 2WD mode, significantly reducing energy loss and improving fuel efficiency.

https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/powertrain2018/4wd/

It is optional on Rav4 - only for offroad edition, and featured on UX 2.0l
They also introduced new e-four that can send more power to the back.

They are also missing another model from the list, not sure what could that be? Base models Rav4 will have traction control based system but it is not listed below as "new".


LS500 and LS500h AWD are of course full time awd, as always with their RWD platforms.

pretty sure the video shows C-HR and UX, C-HR with standard electronic based awd and UX with new one:

pretty sure the video shows C-HR and UX, C-HR with standard electronic based awd and UX with new one:

pretty sure the video shows C-HR and UX, C-HR with standard electronic based awd and UX with new one:

Grill's not my cup of tea but looks promising performance-wise

Grill's not my cup of tea but looks promising performance-wise

Grill's not my cup of tea but looks promising performance-wise

bogglo

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

As is tradition, real world pics/video looks much better than Toyota's press shots. I have to say though, wow that looks gorgeous! Exterior-wise, it looks as expensive as a GS.

The surfacing, the detailing, the total package...a total homerun for the price. I expect the interior in real life looks better than press shots as well.

F1 Silver Arrows

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

Toyota doesn't do technology for technology's sake. That's not the Toyota (or Lexus) way.

Toyota is traditionally quite secretive about future product. Now in the Akio Toyoda era arguably more so than before. Will Lexus introduce such a system? We won't know until we know. The Dynamic Torque Vectoring system recently introduced by Toyota is arguably already very close to the competition you mentioned. Toyota's new Dynamic Torque Vectoring system is a mechanical AWD system that also has a mechanical disconnect. So it's a part-time mechanical torque vectoring AWD system. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since torque vectoring AWD systems by their very nature only send power where it is needed.

bogglo

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

As is tradition, real world pics/video looks much better than Toyota's press shots. I have to say though, wow that looks gorgeous! Exterior-wise, it looks as expensive as a GS.

The surfacing, the detailing, the total package...a total homerun for the price. I expect the interior in real life looks better than press shots as well.

F1 Silver Arrows

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

Toyota doesn't do technology for technology's sake. That's not the Toyota (or Lexus) way.

Toyota is traditionally quite secretive about future product. Now in the Akio Toyoda era arguably more so than before. Will Lexus introduce such a system? We won't know until we know. The Dynamic Torque Vectoring system recently introduced by Toyota is arguably already very close to the competition you mentioned. Toyota's new Dynamic Torque Vectoring system is a mechanical AWD system that also has a mechanical disconnect. So it's a part-time mechanical torque vectoring AWD system. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since torque vectoring AWD systems by their very nature only send power where it is needed.

bogglo

OK I agree an AWD will be nice with this.

As is tradition, real world pics/video looks much better than Toyota's press shots. I have to say though, wow that looks gorgeous! Exterior-wise, it looks as expensive as a GS.

The surfacing, the detailing, the total package...a total homerun for the price. I expect the interior in real life looks better than press shots as well.

F1 Silver Arrows

In regards to this whole issue, I initially thought Lexus was going to introduce a competitor AWD system to things like 4MATIC, xDrive, Quattro or SH-AWD? I wasn't fully following on this specific subject on the thread, because I didn't get anything surprising from this. I am a huge fan of technology, but nothing made me perk up.

So can someone clarify? Is Lexus going to actually introduce a system that rivals to competitors or is it simply an improved based of the traction control based AWD system that these things had?

Toyota doesn't do technology for technology's sake. That's not the Toyota (or Lexus) way.

Toyota is traditionally quite secretive about future product. Now in the Akio Toyoda era arguably more so than before. Will Lexus introduce such a system? We won't know until we know. The Dynamic Torque Vectoring system recently introduced by Toyota is arguably already very close to the competition you mentioned. Toyota's new Dynamic Torque Vectoring system is a mechanical AWD system that also has a mechanical disconnect. So it's a part-time mechanical torque vectoring AWD system. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since torque vectoring AWD systems by their very nature only send power where it is needed.

CIF

Toyota doesn't do technology for technology's sake. That's not the Toyota (or Lexus) way.

Toyota is traditionally quite secretive about future product. Now in the Akio Toyoda era arguably more so than before. Will Lexus introduce such a system? We won't know until we know. The Dynamic Torque Vectoring system recently introduced by Toyota is arguably already very close to the competition you mentioned. Toyota's new Dynamic Torque Vectoring system is a mechanical AWD system that also has a mechanical disconnect. So it's a part-time mechanical torque vectoring AWD system. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since torque vectoring AWD systems by their very nature only send power where it is needed.

I am aware about the mechanical disconnect. The very important question for me is that once it does disconnect, in basic form, are only the rear wheels powered (indicating this RWD based) or to the front wheels (indicating this is FWD based) or it can go both ways depending on the model? If it only goes to front wheels for the cars that this system is introduced in, I'm thinking that Lexus is moving towards Audi in terms of drivetrain layout, but in terms of sportiness and pure luxury, shifting towards Mercedes-Benz.

CIF

Toyota doesn't do technology for technology's sake. That's not the Toyota (or Lexus) way.

Toyota is traditionally quite secretive about future product. Now in the Akio Toyoda era arguably more so than before. Will Lexus introduce such a system? We won't know until we know. The Dynamic Torque Vectoring system recently introduced by Toyota is arguably already very close to the competition you mentioned. Toyota's new Dynamic Torque Vectoring system is a mechanical AWD system that also has a mechanical disconnect. So it's a part-time mechanical torque vectoring AWD system. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since torque vectoring AWD systems by their very nature only send power where it is needed.

I am aware about the mechanical disconnect. The very important question for me is that once it does disconnect, in basic form, are only the rear wheels powered (indicating this RWD based) or to the front wheels (indicating this is FWD based) or it can go both ways depending on the model? If it only goes to front wheels for the cars that this system is introduced in, I'm thinking that Lexus is moving towards Audi in terms of drivetrain layout, but in terms of sportiness and pure luxury, shifting towards Mercedes-Benz.

CIF

Toyota doesn't do technology for technology's sake. That's not the Toyota (or Lexus) way.

Toyota is traditionally quite secretive about future product. Now in the Akio Toyoda era arguably more so than before. Will Lexus introduce such a system? We won't know until we know. The Dynamic Torque Vectoring system recently introduced by Toyota is arguably already very close to the competition you mentioned. Toyota's new Dynamic Torque Vectoring system is a mechanical AWD system that also has a mechanical disconnect. So it's a part-time mechanical torque vectoring AWD system. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since torque vectoring AWD systems by their very nature only send power where it is needed.

I am aware about the mechanical disconnect. The very important question for me is that once it does disconnect, in basic form, are only the rear wheels powered (indicating this RWD based) or to the front wheels (indicating this is FWD based) or it can go both ways depending on the model? If it only goes to front wheels for the cars that this system is introduced in, I'm thinking that Lexus is moving towards Audi in terms of drivetrain layout, but in terms of sportiness and pure luxury, shifting towards Mercedes-Benz.

F1 Silver Arrows

I am aware about the mechanical disconnect. The very important question for me is that once it does disconnect, in basic form, are only the rear wheels powered (indicating this RWD based) or to the front wheels (indicating this is FWD based) or it can go both ways depending on the model? If it only goes to front wheels for the cars that this system is introduced in, I'm thinking that Lexus is moving towards Audi in terms of drivetrain layout, but in terms of sportiness and pure luxury, shifting towards Mercedes-Benz.

As it stands, we have so far only seen this new Dynamic Torque Vectoring available in an FF layout, and therefore being FWD based. We don't know if the system can be RWD based, or if Lexus will get a variant of this system, or perhaps an entirely new system.

F1 Silver Arrows

I am aware about the mechanical disconnect. The very important question for me is that once it does disconnect, in basic form, are only the rear wheels powered (indicating this RWD based) or to the front wheels (indicating this is FWD based) or it can go both ways depending on the model? If it only goes to front wheels for the cars that this system is introduced in, I'm thinking that Lexus is moving towards Audi in terms of drivetrain layout, but in terms of sportiness and pure luxury, shifting towards Mercedes-Benz.

As it stands, we have so far only seen this new Dynamic Torque Vectoring available in an FF layout, and therefore being FWD based. We don't know if the system can be RWD based, or if Lexus will get a variant of this system, or perhaps an entirely new system.

F1 Silver Arrows

I am aware about the mechanical disconnect. The very important question for me is that once it does disconnect, in basic form, are only the rear wheels powered (indicating this RWD based) or to the front wheels (indicating this is FWD based) or it can go both ways depending on the model? If it only goes to front wheels for the cars that this system is introduced in, I'm thinking that Lexus is moving towards Audi in terms of drivetrain layout, but in terms of sportiness and pure luxury, shifting towards Mercedes-Benz.

As it stands, we have so far only seen this new Dynamic Torque Vectoring available in an FF layout, and therefore being FWD based. We don't know if the system can be RWD based, or if Lexus will get a variant of this system, or perhaps an entirely new system.

CIF

As it stands, we have so far only seen this new Dynamic Torque Vectoring available in an FF layout, and therefore being FWD based. We don't know if the system can be RWD based, or if Lexus will get a variant of this system, or perhaps an entirely new system.

Toyota said three 4WD systems and 10 variants. I think it's pretty obvious the three systems are DTV-AWD, E-Four, and next-gen truck 4WD. The non-fancy version AWD used on some trims of the new RAV4 is considered an older generation system.

That means longitudinal RWD-based AWD system will be a variant of DTV-AWD.