Photo Gallery: The All-New 2019 Lexus ES & ES F SPORT

ssun30

Why are they not showing regular interior trim in the US press release? That F-sport interior looks barren. How are they "redefining luxury" when they show an interior that is not luxurious at all? Someone is not doing their job properly. Show some wood!

The global version looks good.

I assume they want to focus on the first ever F-Sport. Also if you read the press release the F-Sport debuts an all new trim inspired by Samurai Swords. They are going to really push this ES in a different direction than ones in the past.

ssun30

The only reason these still sell in meaningful numbers is that current generation ES has no AWD.

That is not true at all. AWD is a small take of sales and mostly in the NE region of the US

Gecko

What engine is in "ES 260"?

A25A-FKS. It does have 30hp more compared to the outgoing ES250. So I guess "260" is justified. It aims squarely at the E260L, that's very obvious.

Also, Lexus registered the "ES260" trademark in China last November. Apparently I missed that.

ssun30

Someone brought up a good point in the now locked speculation thread. Maybe no AWD at launch is to milk every last bit from current gen IS and GS. The only reason these still sell in meaningful numbers is that current generation ES has no AWD.

Definitely, they wouldn't replace a RWD/AWD GS with a FWD ES, it goes against the sportier image they are trying to get

ssun30

A25A-FKS. It does have 30hp more compared to the outgoing ES250. So I guess "260" is justified. It aims squarely at the E260L, that's very obvious.

What a strange decision. V6 also has 30+ more hp but sticks with "350."

Gecko

What a strange decision. V6 also has 30+ more hp but sticks with "350."

It's for chinese domestic market only, where they do arbitrary numbering all the time. "260" sounds much better than "250". The rest of the world will still use the ES250 name. The two are identical.

mikeavelli

That is not true at all. AWD is a small take of sales and mostly in the NE region of the US

Fine, I take back what I said. What kind of numbers does Lexus sell in NE? How's their presence there?

Why are there no photos of the non F-Sport car...?

Will be getting all white es hybrid f sport!

Gecko

Why are there no photos of the non F-Sport car...?

They have some in the global version no?

It really bugs me how little interior detail they are showing, but somehow they feel compelled to put an image of the brake disk on there (and it's just a generic brake disk!). What are the PR people smoking?

^If Avalon reviews are any indication, hybrid will surely be the car to get. Many testers have noted that real world performance feels similar between hybrid and V6, but the hybrid doesn't seem to have bad torque steer... plus 44 MPG.

ssun30

They have some in the global version no?

It really bugs me how little interior detail they are showing, but somehow they feel compelled to put an image of the brake disk on there (and it's just a generic brake disk!). What are the PR people smoking?

The Lexus Japan website does a way better PR job, showing off a properly luxurious interior with a good legroom shot.
https://lexus.jp/brand/motor_show/beijing2018/



Wish they'd used real-world photos for the exterior, though they still look good. Curiously it also has a rear spoiler. Thought the spoiler is just an F-Sport thing. Hopefully it's optional.

Not an ideal photo opportunity during the reveal, wasn’t able to capture much.

Plus side, I did spend quite a bit of time with the standard and F SPORT, and we have a lot to be excited about. More soon!

ydooby

The Lexus Japan website does a way better PR job, showing off a properly luxurious interior with a good legroom shot.
https://lexus.jp/brand/motor_show/beijing2018/



Wish they'd used real-world photos for the exterior, though they still look good.

The F sport version doesn’t do ES the justice. Too sporty. Thank God, Lexus do still have the luxury version for ES. Any full shot of the rear?

Some photos of silver ES f sport can be seen here
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...xus-es-revealed-driver-focused-gs-replacement

Also you can see some real life photos from Beijing auto show from all these places
http://m.pcauto.com.cn/x/1187/11878461.html
https://www.xincheping.com/news/115520.html
http://news.bitauto.com/xinchexiaoxi/20180425/1107376841.html

ssun30

Wait...what is ES260? Now they are doing the "power equivalency" trick with naturally aspirated engines?

The ES260 is only marketed in China. It has the same engine as the ES250 marketed elsewhere. 250 in China is an Internet slang for "half crazy"/silly, so they avoided using that number only in China.

See:
https://baike.baidu.com/item/250/16010600

ydooby

The ES260 is only a marketed in China. It has the same engine as the ES250 marketed elsewhere. 250 in China is a slang for "half crazy"/silly, so they avoided using that number only in China.

See:
https://baike.baidu.com/item/250/16010600

Aha, forgot to mention that. The "250"s had been selling here for a decade. It's so obvious that it's funny how their marketing department missed this so long.

What an absolute disappointment. I really hope they don't kill off the GS as this car will not be able to fill the shoes of both vehicles. Australians don't even get the F-sport. We just get the hybrid in either luxury or sports luxury trim levels. The V6 is only a smidge more powerful than the camry and Avalon and less powerful than the GS. which makes sense. This is FWD only.

Please don't kill of the GS...oh please oh please...

ydooby

The ES260 is only marketed in China. It has the same engine as the ES250 marketed elsewhere. 250 in China is an Internet slang for "half crazy"/silly, so they avoided using that number only in China.

See:
https://baike.baidu.com/item/250/16010600

Ok but it was not a problem for the current generation ES that has been bearing 250 badge in China for years. I think the reason is different.

TMG

Ok but it was not a problem for the current generation ES that has been bearing 250 badge in China for years. I think the reason is different.

Nah.. they are simply reacting to the derogatory nickname the ES250 had been given by some Chinese people. Lexus just didn't realize that when they first marketed the 250 in China.

For example:
https://read01.com/nOnJBG.html#.WuAYisgvyUk

British Autocar is reporting that the ES is indeed going to the UK (therefore a global model) and it is also REPLACING the GS, due to be discontinued next month.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...ow/lexus-es-revealed-ahead-beijing-show-debut

Are these rumors true?

Official Spanish website confirms its debut in Spain: https://www.lexusauto.es/car-models/es/#hero

asoksevil

British Autocar is reporting that the ES is indeed going to the UK (therefore a global model) and it is also REPLACING the GS, due to be discontinued next month.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...ow/lexus-es-revealed-ahead-beijing-show-debut

Are these rumors true?

Official Spanish website confirms its debut in Spain: https://www.lexusauto.es/car-models/es/#hero

I honestly don't think ES will replace GS anytime soon
It's still a very typical ES, its FWD, it still shares platform with its Toyota sibling.
It doesn't feel very "upscale" either. The interior design and parts used are closer to the UX, which is meant to be a model to drive sales more than a status symbol like LS / LC. Yes its going to be better than its predecessor in every category, undeniably. The newly introduced f sport trim looks quite cool, but we all know its more of a appearance package than under hood changes.
There's going to be some cost cutting here and there and share parts to keep the price low. The ES will still be an ES.
I still have hope for GS, and I'm pretty sure once @carmaker gets more info, he will be the first to post them here.

TMG

Ok but it was not a problem for the current generation ES that has been bearing 250 badge in China for years. I think the reason is different.

It's not the prime reason for sure, but the ES250 also happens to be the worst selling ES. Lexus sells more 300h than 250.

Photo Gallery: The All-New Lexus ES & ES F SPORT

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Love the interior
The overhang is awful
& Still no AWD version , Nissan make it for Altima !!!!

I honestly don't know why Lexus even bothers to launch this in Europe. It will be available with one (!) single, 215 hp hybrid powertrain with NO AWD option and NO estate version, in a segment, where all of its rivals (My local dealer said this is indeed, to replace the GS), the 5 series, E-class and the A6 are all offering: Estate version, AWD along with more powerful engine options. Come on. I know it doesn't make too much sense to have a 350 hp daily driver, and it's ok if you don't want to play along the rules of the playing field, but then it's also ok not expect significant sales numbers. This thing is DOA in Europe.

KOHIPEET

I honestly don't know why Lexus even bothers to launch this in Europe. It will be available with one (!) single, 215 hp hybrid powertrain with NO AWD option and NO estate version, in a segment, where all of its rivals (My local dealer said this is indeed, to replace the GS), the 5 series, E-class and the A6 are all offering: Estate version, AWD along with more powerful engine options. Come on. I know it doesn't make too much sense to have a 350 hp daily driver, and it's ok if you don't want to play along the rules of the playing field, but then it's also ok not expect significant sales numbers. This thing is DOA in Europe.

Did you really think they will make a wagon ES? To sell like 500 of them?

Lexus EU sells only hybrids, it is 98% of their sales... thats how good IS 2.0t and NX 2.0t are selling, they are in 2%.