Comparing the New Lexus ES & Lexus LS Sedans

Posted by Kevin on April 18th, 2018

The next-generation Lexus ES has been revealed, and the similarities with the exterior design of the LS flagship are undeniable — let’s put them side-by-side for a comparison:

Lexus ES vs Lexus LS Front

Lexus ES vs Lexus LS Side

There are so many shared design cues that pointing out the differences turns into a game of its own — the headlights, the grille pattern, the lack of a chrome samurai blade along the bottom of the doors.

Overall, the ES is softer in its curves and less articulated in its angles, but this should be expected and even preferred. After all, the LS is the Lexus sedan flagship and can’t give away all its secrets.

(Special thanks to RAL on the forums for this post idea!)

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spwolf
latest from bestcar on new corolla versions - wagon should come in 2019 with 250hp 1.6l 3cly engine - this is second time this 1.6l 3cly has appeared, first time was in UX info. So who knows anymore what will they do for 300+ hp Lexus :)
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
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spwolf
latest from bestcar on new corolla versions - wagon should come in 2019 with 250hp 1.6l 3cly engine - this is second time this 1.6l 3cly has appeared, first time was in UX info. So who knows anymore what will they do for 300+ hp Lexus :)
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
LDeleuran
krew
(...) I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
I second that. Lexus should really be going all in with this new ES since it replaces the GS in Europe, is the first ES to be sold in Western Europe (to my knowledge) and should go straight for the jugular of the A6 (one of the favorite large luxury cars in both China and Europe).

And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
LDeleuran
krew
(...) I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
I second that. Lexus should really be going all in with this new ES since it replaces the GS in Europe, is the first ES to be sold in Western Europe (to my knowledge) and should go straight for the jugular of the A6 (one of the favorite large luxury cars in both China and Europe).

And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
LDeleuran
krew
(...) I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
I second that. Lexus should really be going all in with this new ES since it replaces the GS in Europe, is the first ES to be sold in Western Europe (to my knowledge) and should go straight for the jugular of the A6 (one of the favorite large luxury cars in both China and Europe).

And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
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ssun30
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
I am sure numbers are not 100% correct, but at the same time, it seems that 1.6l 3cly is coming for sure.

p.s. also they show length for Fielder in Axio box. I guess they are planning for new Fielder GT to be more like Caldina of past.
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ssun30
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
I am sure numbers are not 100% correct, but at the same time, it seems that 1.6l 3cly is coming for sure.

p.s. also they show length for Fielder in Axio box. I guess they are planning for new Fielder GT to be more like Caldina of past.
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ssun30
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
I am sure numbers are not 100% correct, but at the same time, it seems that 1.6l 3cly is coming for sure.

p.s. also they show length for Fielder in Axio box. I guess they are planning for new Fielder GT to be more like Caldina of past.
krew
LDeleuran
And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.

Also, do you live near Billund and if so, do you take Lego orders? :D
krew
LDeleuran
And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.

Also, do you live near Billund and if so, do you take Lego orders? :D
krew
LDeleuran
And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.

Also, do you live near Billund and if so, do you take Lego orders? :D
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krew
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.

Also, do you live near Billund and if so, do you take Lego orders? :D
believe it or not, there are more markets in Europe where Lexus does not have a single dealer. UX, ES, NX and IS (and CT?) are very important gateway vehicles for the brand, since they are in the price bracket where most of the sales happen. So both UX and ES are very important to keep Lexus dealers profitable and in expansion mode, a bit problem when sales dropped off in 2010 after recalls, Lexus was hurt a lot in Europe.
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krew
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.

Also, do you live near Billund and if so, do you take Lego orders? :D
believe it or not, there are more markets in Europe where Lexus does not have a single dealer. UX, ES, NX and IS (and CT?) are very important gateway vehicles for the brand, since they are in the price bracket where most of the sales happen. So both UX and ES are very important to keep Lexus dealers profitable and in expansion mode, a bit problem when sales dropped off in 2010 after recalls, Lexus was hurt a lot in Europe.
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krew
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.

Also, do you live near Billund and if so, do you take Lego orders? :D
believe it or not, there are more markets in Europe where Lexus does not have a single dealer. UX, ES, NX and IS (and CT?) are very important gateway vehicles for the brand, since they are in the price bracket where most of the sales happen. So both UX and ES are very important to keep Lexus dealers profitable and in expansion mode, a bit problem when sales dropped off in 2010 after recalls, Lexus was hurt a lot in Europe.
Joaquin Ruhi
krew
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.
I knew that, but I found out by accident, when researching a March 2016 Kaizen Factor story titled What markets will Lexus enter next?. After discussing what I felt were the 4 new markets Lexus was most likely to enter (Turkey, India, Mexico and Cambodia), I delved into other possibilities, which included this passage:

Moving to Europe, Lexus of Europe’s official map on its home page makes spotting the gaps rather easy. And one such gap comes as a shocker: Denmark. We were ready to put it in our top 4, except that a bit of research, the remains of the official Lexus Denmark website and an article or two inform us that Lexus actually withdrew from the Danish market on 1 July 2013, citing the country’s onerously high taxes, even on environmentally-friendly hybrids. And Democrat socialist presidential candidate Bernie Sanders wants us to be more like Denmark?! Heaven forbid…

The biggest gap in official European Lexus availability is parts of the Baltic region (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Macedonia). Also lacking an official Lexus presence are Belarus, Moldova and Georgia.
Joaquin Ruhi
krew
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.
I knew that, but I found out by accident, when researching a March 2016 Kaizen Factor story titled What markets will Lexus enter next?. After discussing what I felt were the 4 new markets Lexus was most likely to enter (Turkey, India, Mexico and Cambodia), I delved into other possibilities, which included this passage:

Moving to Europe, Lexus of Europe’s official map on its home page makes spotting the gaps rather easy. And one such gap comes as a shocker: Denmark. We were ready to put it in our top 4, except that a bit of research, the remains of the official Lexus Denmark website and an article or two inform us that Lexus actually withdrew from the Danish market on 1 July 2013, citing the country’s onerously high taxes, even on environmentally-friendly hybrids. And Democrat socialist presidential candidate Bernie Sanders wants us to be more like Denmark?! Heaven forbid…

The biggest gap in official European Lexus availability is parts of the Baltic region (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Macedonia). Also lacking an official Lexus presence are Belarus, Moldova and Georgia.
Joaquin Ruhi
krew
Huh -- not to get too off-track here, but when did Lexus leave Denmark? Hadn't heard that before.
I knew that, but I found out by accident, when researching a March 2016 Kaizen Factor story titled What markets will Lexus enter next?. After discussing what I felt were the 4 new markets Lexus was most likely to enter (Turkey, India, Mexico and Cambodia), I delved into other possibilities, which included this passage:

Moving to Europe, Lexus of Europe’s official map on its home page makes spotting the gaps rather easy. And one such gap comes as a shocker: Denmark. We were ready to put it in our top 4, except that a bit of research, the remains of the official Lexus Denmark website and an article or two inform us that Lexus actually withdrew from the Danish market on 1 July 2013, citing the country’s onerously high taxes, even on environmentally-friendly hybrids. And Democrat socialist presidential candidate Bernie Sanders wants us to be more like Denmark?! Heaven forbid…

The biggest gap in official European Lexus availability is parts of the Baltic region (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Macedonia). Also lacking an official Lexus presence are Belarus, Moldova and Georgia.
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Joaquin Ruhi
I knew that, but I found out by accident, when researching a March 2016 Kaizen Factor story titled What markets will Lexus enter next?. After discussing what I felt were the 4 new markets Lexus was most likely to enter (Turkey, India, Mexico and Cambodia), I delved into other possibilities, which included this passage:
Balkans, not Baltic, big difference :). There was a lexus dealer in Bosnia but closed, also Lexus Croatia closed few years ago and softly reopened this year.
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Joaquin Ruhi
I knew that, but I found out by accident, when researching a March 2016 Kaizen Factor story titled What markets will Lexus enter next?. After discussing what I felt were the 4 new markets Lexus was most likely to enter (Turkey, India, Mexico and Cambodia), I delved into other possibilities, which included this passage:
Balkans, not Baltic, big difference :). There was a lexus dealer in Bosnia but closed, also Lexus Croatia closed few years ago and softly reopened this year.
S
Joaquin Ruhi
I knew that, but I found out by accident, when researching a March 2016 Kaizen Factor story titled What markets will Lexus enter next?. After discussing what I felt were the 4 new markets Lexus was most likely to enter (Turkey, India, Mexico and Cambodia), I delved into other possibilities, which included this passage:
Balkans, not Baltic, big difference :). There was a lexus dealer in Bosnia but closed, also Lexus Croatia closed few years ago and softly reopened this year.
Joaquin Ruhi
spwolf
Balkans, not Baltic, big difference :). There was a lexus dealer in Bosnia but closed, also Lexus Croatia closed few years ago and softly reopened this year.
:dizzy: Yikes! I'm embarrassed to have made such a silly mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I just fixed the original story.
Joaquin Ruhi
spwolf
Balkans, not Baltic, big difference :). There was a lexus dealer in Bosnia but closed, also Lexus Croatia closed few years ago and softly reopened this year.
:dizzy: Yikes! I'm embarrassed to have made such a silly mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I just fixed the original story.
Joaquin Ruhi
spwolf
Balkans, not Baltic, big difference :). There was a lexus dealer in Bosnia but closed, also Lexus Croatia closed few years ago and softly reopened this year.
:dizzy: Yikes! I'm embarrassed to have made such a silly mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I just fixed the original story.
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Joaquin Ruhi
:dizzy: Yikes! I'm embarrassed to have made such a silly mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I just fixed the original story.
no biggie... I often check all sales stats around the world, it is a hobby these days since I dont work in automotive anymore, and I find it interesting that in quite few markets where Toyota sells really well, Lexus barely sells anything. I would guess cars like UX and ES might change that in the future.
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Joaquin Ruhi
:dizzy: Yikes! I'm embarrassed to have made such a silly mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I just fixed the original story.
no biggie... I often check all sales stats around the world, it is a hobby these days since I dont work in automotive anymore, and I find it interesting that in quite few markets where Toyota sells really well, Lexus barely sells anything. I would guess cars like UX and ES might change that in the future.
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Joaquin Ruhi
:dizzy: Yikes! I'm embarrassed to have made such a silly mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I just fixed the original story.
no biggie... I often check all sales stats around the world, it is a hobby these days since I dont work in automotive anymore, and I find it interesting that in quite few markets where Toyota sells really well, Lexus barely sells anything. I would guess cars like UX and ES might change that in the future.
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An AWD ES hybrid would be awesome so I don't have to go to another CUV for those features.
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An AWD ES hybrid would be awesome so I don't have to go to another CUV for those features.
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An AWD ES hybrid would be awesome so I don't have to go to another CUV for those features.
meth.ix
Why doesn't Lexus say that it is the next-gen ES? They just said it's a new global debut.

This may be a stretch, but what if Lexus is debuting an all-new nameplate to replace both the GS and ES? A car that is a mix of both models: dynamics of GS, size of ES, FWD and less powerful engine options to appeal to ES buyers, etc.

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