Next-Generation Lexus ES Sedan Revealed!

Posted by Kevin on April 17th, 2018

Lexus has released the first full photo of the next-generation ES sedan, along with this new teaser video:

From the video, we get a good look at the side profile:

Lexus ES Front SIde

Lexus ES Rear Side

There’s also a brief glance at the rear tail light:

Lexus ES Rear Light

The overall design borrows heavily from the LS, resulting in an ES made bolder and more upscale in appearance. There’s little else in the way of detail, but this is a great start to a very important vehicle in the Lexus lineup.

The next-generation Lexus ES will be revealed on April 25th at the Beijing Motor Show before its worldwide release sometime this year.

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T
As I understand, the underpinnings of the IS and GS are very closely related. It could be that the IS will grow into being the GS replacement, regardless of the ES.
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TheNerdyPotato
As I understand, the underpinnings of the IS and GS are very closely related. It could be that the IS will grow into being the GS replacement, regardless of the ES.
Which is a logical step they should take. A 10 cm/4 inch stretch is all it takes to put the IS in a different segment.
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TheNerdyPotato
As I understand, the underpinnings of the IS and GS are very closely related. It could be that the IS will grow into being the GS replacement, regardless of the ES.
Which is a logical step they should take. A 10 cm/4 inch stretch is all it takes to put the IS in a different segment.
T
Which could then leave an opening for a new entry-level coupe. RWD 2-seater with that 2.5T and Lexus refinement for <$35k would hit a sweet spot for me, especially if it was offered with a manual transmission.
T
Which could then leave an opening for a new entry-level coupe. RWD 2-seater with that 2.5T and Lexus refinement for <$35k would hit a sweet spot for me, especially if it was offered with a manual transmission.
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TheNerdyPotato
Which could then leave an opening for a new entry-level coupe. RWD 2-seater with that 2.5T and Lexus refinement for <$35k would hit a sweet spot for me, especially if it was offered with a manual transmission.
But that's pretty much a recipe for disaster from a financial perspective. One can dream though.
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TheNerdyPotato
Which could then leave an opening for a new entry-level coupe. RWD 2-seater with that 2.5T and Lexus refinement for <$35k would hit a sweet spot for me, especially if it was offered with a manual transmission.
But that's pretty much a recipe for disaster from a financial perspective. One can dream though.
C
spwolf
Bestcar about Lexus ES in Japan:
https://bestcarweb.jp/news/newcar/2544



Baby LS at half the cost? Looks like a home run!
C
spwolf
Bestcar about Lexus ES in Japan:
https://bestcarweb.jp/news/newcar/2544



Baby LS at half the cost? Looks like a home run!
Gecko
My theory is we will see the ES move to the Avalon platform, which is technically a large car, and the next IS will grow considerably to be roughly the size of the Camry. That would also help stem the losses from GS retirement.
Gecko
My theory is we will see the ES move to the Avalon platform, which is technically a large car, and the next IS will grow considerably to be roughly the size of the Camry. That would also help stem the losses from GS retirement.
E
The ES is already on the Avalon platform since the current generation. They are virtually the same dimension and have the same powertrain.

The 2013 Lexus ES is no longer the Lexus-skinned clone of Toyota’s best-selling Camry sedan; it now rides a platform that has been stretched by two inches in comparison to the more plebian model. (It now shares its platform directly with the all-new 2013 Avalon instead of with the Camry.)
https://web.archive.org/web/2012040...eveals-2013-es-new-hybrid-variant-120697.html
E
The ES is already on the Avalon platform since the current generation. They are virtually the same dimension and have the same powertrain.

The 2013 Lexus ES is no longer the Lexus-skinned clone of Toyota’s best-selling Camry sedan; it now rides a platform that has been stretched by two inches in comparison to the more plebian model. (It now shares its platform directly with the all-new 2013 Avalon instead of with the Camry.)
https://web.archive.org/web/2012040...eveals-2013-es-new-hybrid-variant-120697.html
Gecko
^For sure, I was just referencing the new TNGA platform for large FWD cars. Should have clarified.
Gecko
^For sure, I was just referencing the new TNGA platform for large FWD cars. Should have clarified.
Ian Schmidt
A Camry-sized IS would indeed be pretty cool. A Camry-sized IS F with the TTV6 would be even cooler.
Ian Schmidt
A Camry-sized IS would indeed be pretty cool. A Camry-sized IS F with the TTV6 would be even cooler.
maiaramdan
GTG
The GS is a great car , but the ES is more than that . Sales sales sales , sales people , the ES is selling more than the GS in almost all of its markets . If you drive a Toyota Avalon or what ever and you think it looks good and even better than an ES because this rendering is to much for you then that cool . Just saying the GS is lacking in many areas against it competitors and the ES has maybe three to complete with , its ahead of them all the time in sales . , when I say a way of life I mean if you like Lexus then you can go get a different car . And if you love Lexus you will buy it no matter how it looks . Dependable , value , comfort, resale value the list goes on . If I could get a GS F or GS or Lexus give me one cool . This ES looks great but we will see the final product soon .
See for me Lexus equal GS & V8 LS
I own currently a white 2016 GS-F
Before it I had
2010 GS450h
2008 GS460
2006 LS460
2001 LS430
1996 GS300

Just once drove the RX and I am from those who believe luxurious = RWD
maiaramdan
GTG
The GS is a great car , but the ES is more than that . Sales sales sales , sales people , the ES is selling more than the GS in almost all of its markets . If you drive a Toyota Avalon or what ever and you think it looks good and even better than an ES because this rendering is to much for you then that cool . Just saying the GS is lacking in many areas against it competitors and the ES has maybe three to complete with , its ahead of them all the time in sales . , when I say a way of life I mean if you like Lexus then you can go get a different car . And if you love Lexus you will buy it no matter how it looks . Dependable , value , comfort, resale value the list goes on . If I could get a GS F or GS or Lexus give me one cool . This ES looks great but we will see the final product soon .
See for me Lexus equal GS & V8 LS
I own currently a white 2016 GS-F
Before it I had
2010 GS450h
2008 GS460
2006 LS460
2001 LS430
1996 GS300

Just once drove the RX and I am from those who believe luxurious = RWD
maiaramdan
krew
There are two conversations happening at the same time -- this rendering of the next-generation ES, and the fact that the ES looks to be replacing the GS as the Lexus midsize sedan.

Standing alone, a new ES that looks like that rendering is a home run. It's once we start factoring in the GS cancellation things get complicated.

This is a sales move most definitely, as developing a new GS would take up resources that could be allocated to crossovers and the ES is a near-guaranteed success. I see this as Lexus shifting away from the 5-series & E Class mold and pursuing the Audi A6. That said, there's an emotional component with the GS that the ES just doesn't have.

I'm torn on this, honestly. And like so much, it depends on the product. The ES will not be able to replicate the GS driving experience, but it's tough to write off a car based on an unofficial photochop.
Agree on everything except that GS will take more resources than the ES
The GS will be simply on the GA-L as LS, GS, Century & Crown so the R&D cost will be distributed on all of those, I didn't even yet count the next Mark-X and the next RC/IS which 100% will have a shorter wheel base from the same chassis , and the number may grow if we add also the production model of the LF-1
maiaramdan
krew
There are two conversations happening at the same time -- this rendering of the next-generation ES, and the fact that the ES looks to be replacing the GS as the Lexus midsize sedan.

Standing alone, a new ES that looks like that rendering is a home run. It's once we start factoring in the GS cancellation things get complicated.

This is a sales move most definitely, as developing a new GS would take up resources that could be allocated to crossovers and the ES is a near-guaranteed success. I see this as Lexus shifting away from the 5-series & E Class mold and pursuing the Audi A6. That said, there's an emotional component with the GS that the ES just doesn't have.

I'm torn on this, honestly. And like so much, it depends on the product. The ES will not be able to replicate the GS driving experience, but it's tough to write off a car based on an unofficial photochop.
Agree on everything except that GS will take more resources than the ES
The GS will be simply on the GA-L as LS, GS, Century & Crown so the R&D cost will be distributed on all of those, I didn't even yet count the next Mark-X and the next RC/IS which 100% will have a shorter wheel base from the same chassis , and the number may grow if we add also the production model of the LF-1
maiaramdan
@Ian Schmidt , @Gecko and everyone wants the IS to grow to the GS size

If the IS grows to Camry / GS dimensions so why the GS got deleted from the beginning?, and how we know that because of that grow the IS will have the same GS fate? !!!
maiaramdan
@Ian Schmidt , @Gecko and everyone wants the IS to grow to the GS size

If the IS grows to Camry / GS dimensions so why the GS got deleted from the beginning?, and how we know that because of that grow the IS will have the same GS fate? !!!
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maiaramdan
If the IS grows to Camry / GS dimensions so why the GS got deleted from the beginning?, and how we know that because of that grow the IS will have the same GS fate? !!!
It's an interesting topic and I have a few points to share. But let's stick to ES for now and not digress too much.
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maiaramdan
If the IS grows to Camry / GS dimensions so why the GS got deleted from the beginning?, and how we know that because of that grow the IS will have the same GS fate? !!!
It's an interesting topic and I have a few points to share. But let's stick to ES for now and not digress too much.
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ssun30
But that's pretty much a recipe for disaster from a financial perspective. One can dream though.
I basically just described a BMW 230i, didn't I?
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ssun30
But that's pretty much a recipe for disaster from a financial perspective. One can dream though.
I basically just described a BMW 230i, didn't I?
Gecko
maiaramdan
@Ian Schmidt , @Gecko and everyone wants the IS to grow to the GS size

If the IS grows to Camry / GS dimensions so why the GS got deleted from the beginning?, and how we know that because of that grow the IS will have the same GS fate? !!!
I think it is a relevant discussion since the elimination of the GS and "upgrading" of the ES does shift things around for Lexus' entire sedan lineup. Without going too far off topic here, almost every generation of IS has had some complaints about the small size and a rear seat that's practically unusable for passengers. The Q50, for example, is a larger car that's comfortable for four and still an IS competitor. With the market for passenger cars dropping off, adding a few extra inches to the IS here and there would make it more appealing to many - including disenfranchised GS owners. The market for smaller sedans like CLA/A3 is quite minuscule and while I don't think the IS is that small, it could stand to grow a bit. If they offer a compelling enough engine option and some nice luxury/F Sport packages, I can see it being an option for those who are loyal to Lexus but missing the GS.
Gecko
maiaramdan
@Ian Schmidt , @Gecko and everyone wants the IS to grow to the GS size

If the IS grows to Camry / GS dimensions so why the GS got deleted from the beginning?, and how we know that because of that grow the IS will have the same GS fate? !!!
I think it is a relevant discussion since the elimination of the GS and "upgrading" of the ES does shift things around for Lexus' entire sedan lineup. Without going too far off topic here, almost every generation of IS has had some complaints about the small size and a rear seat that's practically unusable for passengers. The Q50, for example, is a larger car that's comfortable for four and still an IS competitor. With the market for passenger cars dropping off, adding a few extra inches to the IS here and there would make it more appealing to many - including disenfranchised GS owners. The market for smaller sedans like CLA/A3 is quite minuscule and while I don't think the IS is that small, it could stand to grow a bit. If they offer a compelling enough engine option and some nice luxury/F Sport packages, I can see it being an option for those who are loyal to Lexus but missing the GS.
zeusus
ES looks good, to be honest a little too much like the 5LS though. Personally don't think thats a good thing but maybe the market would respond well to it?

Z