Next-Generation Lexus ES Sedan Revealed!

Posted by Kevin on April 17th, 2018

Lexus has released the first full photo of the next-generation ES sedan, along with this new teaser video:

From the video, we get a good look at the side profile:

Lexus ES Front SIde

Lexus ES Rear Side

There’s also a brief glance at the rear tail light:

Lexus ES Rear Light

The overall design borrows heavily from the LS, resulting in an ES made bolder and more upscale in appearance. There’s little else in the way of detail, but this is a great start to a very important vehicle in the Lexus lineup.

The next-generation Lexus ES will be revealed on April 25th at the Beijing Motor Show before its worldwide release sometime this year.

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  • R
    RAL
  • April 11, 2018
OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
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But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
This is probably the base model grille. In the spy shots the vehicle, that most agree was the F-Sport, had a mesh pattern grille we typically see on other F-Sport models.
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OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
@Gecko posted spy shots of f-sport, it has "usual" f-sport grille.
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OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
@Gecko posted spy shots of f-sport, it has "usual" f-sport grille.
S
@Gecko we have talked a lot about this. In case you missed it: the more powerful hybrid drivetrain slotted between the 2.5L THS and multistage will be a ~210kW/280hp unit and will show up on the next Highlander. It is unknown at this point which ICE unit (definitely not the A25A-FKS/FXS) and battery pack it will use. It's strange there is no plan (at least not in that picture) for a 450h replacement for GA-K. But since there could be multiple 'variants' of the same hybrid drivetrain, a 300+hp E-four could be developed for the new RX.

I could foresee them ditching the 450h since it's very undesirable. The 400h and 450h hybrid systems are arguably way over-engineered for a transverse platform. They are extremely heavy and as a result they provide very little performance and economy gains for a lot of money, and E-four never worked as well as a mechanical AWD system. Before the 2018 repricing the 450h is way overpriced compared to a 350 while the RX lacks a simpler and cheaper hybrid trim for Europe and Asia. Making the RX hybrid more accessible while focusing on gas-only or even full-electric performance models is a better direction IMO.

Or they are always welcome to make a super powerful plug-in SUV like the BYD Tang. No car needs more than 200hp on chinese roads but they gave it 542hp anyway and proudly put a badge on the front fender for owners to show off. To show how American it is they even converted 550 metric PS to 542bhp. It's too much nonsense for the overly reasonable people at Lexus. But hey they made the LFA.
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@Gecko we have talked a lot about this. In case you missed it: the more powerful hybrid drivetrain slotted between the 2.5L THS and multistage will be a ~210kW/280hp unit and will show up on the next Highlander. It is unknown at this point which ICE unit (definitely not the A25A-FKS/FXS) and battery pack it will use. It's strange there is no plan (at least not in that picture) for a 450h replacement for GA-K. But since there could be multiple 'variants' of the same hybrid drivetrain, a 300+hp E-four could be developed for the new RX.

I could foresee them ditching the 450h since it's very undesirable. The 400h and 450h hybrid systems are arguably way over-engineered for a transverse platform. They are extremely heavy and as a result they provide very little performance and economy gains for a lot of money, and E-four never worked as well as a mechanical AWD system. Before the 2018 repricing the 450h is way overpriced compared to a 350 while the RX lacks a simpler and cheaper hybrid trim for Europe and Asia. Making the RX hybrid more accessible while focusing on gas-only or even full-electric performance models is a better direction IMO.

Or they are always welcome to make a super powerful plug-in SUV like the BYD Tang. No car needs more than 200hp on chinese roads but they gave it 542hp anyway and proudly put a badge on the front fender for owners to show off. To show how American it is they even converted 550 metric PS to 542bhp. It's too much nonsense for the overly reasonable people at Lexus. But hey they made the LFA.
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Gecko
2.5L hybrid (208hp) seems good for Camry, Rav4, NX, etc and 3.5L hybrid (354hp) seems reserved for flagship products, so there is a missing link here. Maybe it is a 3.0L hybrid V6? That would certainly make sense for RX. Weird thing is that the current 3.5L RX hybrid makes 311hp and is an older system... so will the new system be down in displacement and horsepower? So much unknown at this point... I can't even really speculate.



For western markets, they really should have 2.0T I4 with ~280hp and a new 3.0T V6 with ~375hp. I'd love for either to go into a next gen ES, but I foresee Lexus thinking the 2GR-FKS is "good enough for now" with 300hp. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?
Well, EU cars nothing about petrols, so no need for 2.0t there... over 300hp engine is only really needed for the USA. So it is up to US market. 2.0t would replace V6, which is also not great for US market, while 2.5l 4cly turbo would be faster than 300hp V6 but still seems like not great engine for US market.

I also agree that they will end up with 230-250hp hybrid, since they plan to add it to Highlander, it cant be 208hp engine from Camry. But what will it be?

p.s. will it come to US market (2nd hybrid model)? Likely not for now... just like we in Europe always had more hybrid options due to penetration, it will likely not be in the US. I mean Toyota EU will have 2 hybrid powertrains in every car they offer soon enough, thats just not happening in the US.
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Gecko
2.5L hybrid (208hp) seems good for Camry, Rav4, NX, etc and 3.5L hybrid (354hp) seems reserved for flagship products, so there is a missing link here. Maybe it is a 3.0L hybrid V6? That would certainly make sense for RX. Weird thing is that the current 3.5L RX hybrid makes 311hp and is an older system... so will the new system be down in displacement and horsepower? So much unknown at this point... I can't even really speculate.



For western markets, they really should have 2.0T I4 with ~280hp and a new 3.0T V6 with ~375hp. I'd love for either to go into a next gen ES, but I foresee Lexus thinking the 2GR-FKS is "good enough for now" with 300hp. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?
Well, EU cars nothing about petrols, so no need for 2.0t there... over 300hp engine is only really needed for the USA. So it is up to US market. 2.0t would replace V6, which is also not great for US market, while 2.5l 4cly turbo would be faster than 300hp V6 but still seems like not great engine for US market.

I also agree that they will end up with 230-250hp hybrid, since they plan to add it to Highlander, it cant be 208hp engine from Camry. But what will it be?

p.s. will it come to US market (2nd hybrid model)? Likely not for now... just like we in Europe always had more hybrid options due to penetration, it will likely not be in the US. I mean Toyota EU will have 2 hybrid powertrains in every car they offer soon enough, thats just not happening in the US.
A
Lol "vertical slat" lexus give it up you can't do vertical slat on something that is not straight what is this vertical spindle slat. The only way to be creative with this grill is cut it in half.
A
Lol "vertical slat" lexus give it up you can't do vertical slat on something that is not straight what is this vertical spindle slat. The only way to be creative with this grill is cut it in half.
Gecko
Axel
Lol "vertical slat" lexus give it up you can't do vertical slat on something that is not straight what is this vertical spindle slat. The only way to be creative with this grill is cut it in half.
I really kind of like it... and am in favor of variations of the inner material to keep things fresh. LS and LC have that intricate 3D pattern, UX is chunkier and more fitting for an SUV, this ES grille looks cool as well IMO. I think the variation keeps things interesting.

Even Mercedes is now using several different grilles for luxury, sport, AMG, etc.
Gecko
Axel
Lol "vertical slat" lexus give it up you can't do vertical slat on something that is not straight what is this vertical spindle slat. The only way to be creative with this grill is cut it in half.
I really kind of like it... and am in favor of variations of the inner material to keep things fresh. LS and LC have that intricate 3D pattern, UX is chunkier and more fitting for an SUV, this ES grille looks cool as well IMO. I think the variation keeps things interesting.

Even Mercedes is now using several different grilles for luxury, sport, AMG, etc.
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@ssun30

latest from bestcar on new corolla versions - wagon should come in 2019 with 250hp 1.6l 3cly engine - this is second time this 1.6l 3cly has appeared, first time was in UX info. So who knows anymore what will they do for 300+ hp Lexus :)
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@ssun30

latest from bestcar on new corolla versions - wagon should come in 2019 with 250hp 1.6l 3cly engine - this is second time this 1.6l 3cly has appeared, first time was in UX info. So who knows anymore what will they do for 300+ hp Lexus :)
Benito
OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
I don’t think this is an F-sport grill, all the F-sport grills I can think of have a mesh pattern and this does not.
Benito
OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
I don’t think this is an F-sport grill, all the F-sport grills I can think of have a mesh pattern and this does not.
GTG
  • GTG
    GTG
  • April 11, 2018
First this grill is very nice ! Second this picture is a hybrid ES I hope it comes with more mpg like 10 to 20 more . Third please let it have a new infotainment system that works on the move .
GTG
  • GTG
    GTG
  • April 11, 2018
First this grill is very nice ! Second this picture is a hybrid ES I hope it comes with more mpg like 10 to 20 more . Third please let it have a new infotainment system that works on the move .
A
Gecko
Surely it will be 2.0T base with optional V6.
I’m guessing the ES will debut with the 2.5L NA or even together with a 2.0L NA in Beijing because that where the bread and butter lies in China. We might have to wait for later shows ( is there an NY show late this year?) to see more powerful options offered in US
A
Gecko
Surely it will be 2.0T base with optional V6.
I’m guessing the ES will debut with the 2.5L NA or even together with a 2.0L NA in Beijing because that where the bread and butter lies in China. We might have to wait for later shows ( is there an NY show late this year?) to see more powerful options offered in US
GTG
  • GTG
    GTG
  • April 11, 2018
No there is no other show this year in New York. It just ended on Sunday .
GTG
  • GTG
    GTG
  • April 11, 2018
No there is no other show this year in New York. It just ended on Sunday .
krew
GTG
First this grill is very nice ! Second this picture is a hybrid ES I hope it comes with more mpg like 10 to 20 more . Third please let it have a new infotainment system that works on the move .
I imagine it will have CarPlay, just like the UX. So big upgrade coming in that regard.

amoschen7
I’m guessing the ES will debut with the 2.5L NA or even together with a 2.0L NA in Beijing because that where the bread and butter lies in China. We might have to wait for later shows ( is there an NY show late this year?) to see more powerful options offered in US
Have to figure they will announce all engines at once, as there are no other shows until the Fall. I imagine the ES comes arrives in dealers late this summer.

Do we have a bet going on engines? I'm figuring it will mirror the Camry exactly, right down to the 301-hp 3.5-liter V-6 engine. Big thing for me is AWD -- I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
krew
GTG
First this grill is very nice ! Second this picture is a hybrid ES I hope it comes with more mpg like 10 to 20 more . Third please let it have a new infotainment system that works on the move .
I imagine it will have CarPlay, just like the UX. So big upgrade coming in that regard.

amoschen7
I’m guessing the ES will debut with the 2.5L NA or even together with a 2.0L NA in Beijing because that where the bread and butter lies in China. We might have to wait for later shows ( is there an NY show late this year?) to see more powerful options offered in US
Have to figure they will announce all engines at once, as there are no other shows until the Fall. I imagine the ES comes arrives in dealers late this summer.

Do we have a bet going on engines? I'm figuring it will mirror the Camry exactly, right down to the 301-hp 3.5-liter V-6 engine. Big thing for me is AWD -- I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
Andyl
krew
I imagine it will have CarPlay, just like the UX. So big upgrade coming in that regard.



Have to figure they will announce all engines at once, as there are no other shows until the Fall. I imagine the ES comes arrives in dealers late this summer.

Do we have a bet going on engines? I'm figuring it will mirror the Camry exactly, right down to the 301-hp 3.5-liter V-6 engine. Big thing for me is AWD -- I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
Indeed AWD for ES is interesting.

If Lexus does ditch GS and only uses ES as the only their mid-sized sedan, the addition of AWD will become crucial to be be competitive, especially in North American market. Being AWD, Lexus can also offer more powerful engine variants.
Andyl
krew
I imagine it will have CarPlay, just like the UX. So big upgrade coming in that regard.



Have to figure they will announce all engines at once, as there are no other shows until the Fall. I imagine the ES comes arrives in dealers late this summer.

Do we have a bet going on engines? I'm figuring it will mirror the Camry exactly, right down to the 301-hp 3.5-liter V-6 engine. Big thing for me is AWD -- I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
Indeed AWD for ES is interesting.

If Lexus does ditch GS and only uses ES as the only their mid-sized sedan, the addition of AWD will become crucial to be be competitive, especially in North American market. Being AWD, Lexus can also offer more powerful engine variants.
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spwolf
latest from bestcar on new corolla versions - wagon should come in 2019 with 250hp 1.6l 3cly engine - this is second time this 1.6l 3cly has appeared, first time was in UX info. So who knows anymore what will they do for 300+ hp Lexus :)
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
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spwolf
latest from bestcar on new corolla versions - wagon should come in 2019 with 250hp 1.6l 3cly engine - this is second time this 1.6l 3cly has appeared, first time was in UX info. So who knows anymore what will they do for 300+ hp Lexus :)
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
LDeleuran
krew
(...) I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
I second that. Lexus should really be going all in with this new ES since it replaces the GS in Europe, is the first ES to be sold in Western Europe (to my knowledge) and should go straight for the jugular of the A6 (one of the favorite large luxury cars in both China and Europe).

And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
LDeleuran
krew
(...) I can't believe how excited I am about an ES. Just a very interesting model.
I second that. Lexus should really be going all in with this new ES since it replaces the GS in Europe, is the first ES to be sold in Western Europe (to my knowledge) and should go straight for the jugular of the A6 (one of the favorite large luxury cars in both China and Europe).

And as a bonus. If the ES becomes a success in Europe, then maybe, just maybe, Lexus might reintroduce itself in Denmark so that I can finally purchase a new Lexus here without paying 40% more than similar German cars!
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ssun30
That information is false. 250PS/5500rpm means 320Nm of torque at that rpm, which doesn't line up with the peak number of 294Nm at 3000rpm. This discrepancy is very easy to spot since a 250PS motor usually have at least 350Nm of peak torque. Looks like someone isn't doing their homework.
I am sure numbers are not 100% correct, but at the same time, it seems that 1.6l 3cly is coming for sure.

p.s. also they show length for Fielder in Axio box. I guess they are planning for new Fielder GT to be more like Caldina of past.

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