Next-Generation Lexus ES Sedan Revealed!

Posted by Kevin on April 17th, 2018

Lexus has released the first full photo of the next-generation ES sedan, along with this new teaser video:

From the video, we get a good look at the side profile:

Lexus ES Front SIde

Lexus ES Rear Side

There’s also a brief glance at the rear tail light:

Lexus ES Rear Light

The overall design borrows heavily from the LS, resulting in an ES made bolder and more upscale in appearance. There’s little else in the way of detail, but this is a great start to a very important vehicle in the Lexus lineup.

The next-generation Lexus ES will be revealed on April 25th at the Beijing Motor Show before its worldwide release sometime this year.

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I hope we do get the mini LS, that would elevate's ES brand poisoning to a whole new level.
Carmaker1
asoksevil
I hope we do get the mini LS, that would elevate's ES brand poisoning to a whole new level.
Well, I can agree with you in some ways regarding that (#cuzGS). :pLol (auto-correct is so annoying)
Carmaker1
asoksevil
I hope we do get the mini LS, that would elevate's ES brand poisoning to a whole new level.
Well, I can agree with you in some ways regarding that (#cuzGS). :pLol (auto-correct is so annoying)
Carmaker1
DDas
I remember 5 years ago or so when the current generation was leaked (attached). Still such a beautiful car! As I have said many times before, I think it looks really, really good, but will it be good enough to replace the GS? I don't know...It'll definitely replace the current ES well, for it'll gain a more elegant look, but will it be sporty enough to have GS soul? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That was 6 years ago in February 2012, before its presentation at NYIAS in April 2012. Points out a likelihood this is another China-based leak. Same happened with refreshed 2010 ES in 2009. Other the 2016 MY refresh, China is the source of many ES leaks.

spwolf
@krew nice article and compare with LS... also pic was posted on instagram, by name i would say US dealer employee.
It's not US based. Anyone can repost what they find elsewhere on Instagram. Considering that TMMK is already building pre-production models I highly doubt they're going to be building them with license plate brackets that wide for the USDM or even JDM.

spwolf
it is nowhere else but USA :). As I said, photo has leaked on instagram account, and from quick view it looked like US employee. I did not want to post a screenshot since he is likely already in big trouble since all the chinese sites made screenshot of the post that shows the name, etc.
No, I am not convinced in the least that it was from the USA. The wide form license plate bracket shows that perfectly. This is from outside of North America for sure. Cannot say if it is rhd or lhd, just definitely not USA where license plates are square vs rectangular in UK, Europe, Asia, and parts of Africa.
Carmaker1
DDas
I remember 5 years ago or so when the current generation was leaked (attached). Still such a beautiful car! As I have said many times before, I think it looks really, really good, but will it be good enough to replace the GS? I don't know...It'll definitely replace the current ES well, for it'll gain a more elegant look, but will it be sporty enough to have GS soul? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That was 6 years ago in February 2012, before its presentation at NYIAS in April 2012. Points out a likelihood this is another China-based leak. Same happened with refreshed 2010 ES in 2009. Other the 2016 MY refresh, China is the source of many ES leaks.

spwolf
@krew nice article and compare with LS... also pic was posted on instagram, by name i would say US dealer employee.
It's not US based. Anyone can repost what they find elsewhere on Instagram. Considering that TMMK is already building pre-production models I highly doubt they're going to be building them with license plate brackets that wide for the USDM or even JDM.

spwolf
it is nowhere else but USA :). As I said, photo has leaked on instagram account, and from quick view it looked like US employee. I did not want to post a screenshot since he is likely already in big trouble since all the chinese sites made screenshot of the post that shows the name, etc.
No, I am not convinced in the least that it was from the USA. The wide form license plate bracket shows that perfectly. This is from outside of North America for sure. Cannot say if it is rhd or lhd, just definitely not USA where license plates are square vs rectangular in UK, Europe, Asia, and parts of Africa.
krew
Next-Generation Lexus ES Sedan Confirmed for Beijing Motor Show

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Will be revealed on April 25th.
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krew
Next-Generation Lexus ES Sedan Confirmed for Beijing Motor Show

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Will be revealed on April 25th.
View the original article post
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Carmaker1
No, I am not convinced in the least that it was from the USA. The wide form license plate bracket shows that perfectly. This is from outside of North America for sure. Cannot say if it is rhd or lhd, just definitely not USA where license plates are square vs rectangular in UK, Europe, Asia, and parts of Africa.
do other countries have yellow bulbs like in that pic, for blinkers? I know US does. But we dont And there was recent dealer conference in the US where ES was most certainly shown.

Chinese websites came out first with the story and all of them referenced instagram post of said dealer employee.

It was also a base model, or something similar, in Bejing they will certainly show model with new LED lights, not projector lights.
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Carmaker1
No, I am not convinced in the least that it was from the USA. The wide form license plate bracket shows that perfectly. This is from outside of North America for sure. Cannot say if it is rhd or lhd, just definitely not USA where license plates are square vs rectangular in UK, Europe, Asia, and parts of Africa.
do other countries have yellow bulbs like in that pic, for blinkers? I know US does. But we dont And there was recent dealer conference in the US where ES was most certainly shown.

Chinese websites came out first with the story and all of them referenced instagram post of said dealer employee.

It was also a base model, or something similar, in Bejing they will certainly show model with new LED lights, not projector lights.
Joaquin Ruhi
The press release reads more like a tweet, but contains some valuable timing information:

More than just a pretty face, this all-new Lexus vehicle aims to radically transform the concept of comfort for luxury consumers all over the world. Witness its global debut in Beijing on April 25, 2018. #ExperienceAmazing
It also tacitly confirms the rumors and talk that 7ES will expand beyond its current markets and into Western Europe and Japan and other markets not currently getting the ES.
Joaquin Ruhi
The press release reads more like a tweet, but contains some valuable timing information:

More than just a pretty face, this all-new Lexus vehicle aims to radically transform the concept of comfort for luxury consumers all over the world. Witness its global debut in Beijing on April 25, 2018. #ExperienceAmazing
It also tacitly confirms the rumors and talk that 7ES will expand beyond its current markets and into Western Europe and Japan and other markets not currently getting the ES.
Gecko
Joaquin Ruhi
It also tacitly confirms the rumors and talk that 7ES will expand beyond its current markets and into Western Europe and Japan and other markets not currently getting the ES.
Yup - and they make specific mention of new powertrains in that release... interesting.
Gecko
Joaquin Ruhi
It also tacitly confirms the rumors and talk that 7ES will expand beyond its current markets and into Western Europe and Japan and other markets not currently getting the ES.
Yup - and they make specific mention of new powertrains in that release... interesting.
S
This "radically transform the concept of comfort" phrase is so generic that we couldn't read any information from it.
S
This "radically transform the concept of comfort" phrase is so generic that we couldn't read any information from it.
krew
Joaquin Ruhi
It also tacitly confirms the rumors and talk that 7ES will expand beyond its current markets and into Western Europe and Japan and other markets not currently getting the ES.
Great pull -- I've updated the original post.

Gecko
Yup - and they make specific mention of new powertrains in that release... interesting.
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ssun30
This "radically transform the concept of comfort" phrase is so generic that we couldn't read any information from it.
Never know, maybe this new ES will transform the luxury automobile with its radical comfort concepts. ;)
krew
Joaquin Ruhi
It also tacitly confirms the rumors and talk that 7ES will expand beyond its current markets and into Western Europe and Japan and other markets not currently getting the ES.
Great pull -- I've updated the original post.

Gecko
Yup - and they make specific mention of new powertrains in that release... interesting.
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ssun30
This "radically transform the concept of comfort" phrase is so generic that we couldn't read any information from it.
Never know, maybe this new ES will transform the luxury automobile with its radical comfort concepts. ;)
Gecko
Most of Lexus' press announcements say something like, "The next expression of luxury," or the "Next generation flagship vehicle,"... always vague.

I could be reading too much into it, but their specific mention of powertrains in the tweet - "Offering a range of advanced gasoline and hybrid drivetrains so the world can experience the luxury of Lexus" - makes me think this ES is going to debut with something they're proud of. Possibly a smaller multi-stage hybrid, the rumored 2.5L TT I4, etc.
Gecko
Most of Lexus' press announcements say something like, "The next expression of luxury," or the "Next generation flagship vehicle,"... always vague.

I could be reading too much into it, but their specific mention of powertrains in the tweet - "Offering a range of advanced gasoline and hybrid drivetrains so the world can experience the luxury of Lexus" - makes me think this ES is going to debut with something they're proud of. Possibly a smaller multi-stage hybrid, the rumored 2.5L TT I4, etc.
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Gecko
Most of Lexus' press announcements say something like, "The next expression of luxury," or the "Next generation flagship vehicle,"... always vague.

I could be reading too much into it, but their specific mention of powertrains in the tweet - "Offering a range of advanced gasoline and hybrid drivetrains so the world can experience the luxury of Lexus" - makes me think this ES is going to debut with something they're proud of. Possibly a smaller multi-stage hybrid, the rumored 2.5L TT I4, etc.
just dont set up yourself for disappointment :).

I would love if they do stronger hybrid option with it, however I question where it will be sold - US doesnt really care about it, and 300h is more than good enough for rest of the world.

I see much larger possibility of them doing stronger V6 or that 2.5l turbo with well over 300hp with AWD than multistage hybrid.
S
Gecko
Most of Lexus' press announcements say something like, "The next expression of luxury," or the "Next generation flagship vehicle,"... always vague.

I could be reading too much into it, but their specific mention of powertrains in the tweet - "Offering a range of advanced gasoline and hybrid drivetrains so the world can experience the luxury of Lexus" - makes me think this ES is going to debut with something they're proud of. Possibly a smaller multi-stage hybrid, the rumored 2.5L TT I4, etc.
just dont set up yourself for disappointment :).

I would love if they do stronger hybrid option with it, however I question where it will be sold - US doesnt really care about it, and 300h is more than good enough for rest of the world.

I see much larger possibility of them doing stronger V6 or that 2.5l turbo with well over 300hp with AWD than multistage hybrid.
Gecko
spwolf
just dont set up yourself for disappointment :).

I would love if they do stronger hybrid option with it, however I question where it will be sold - US doesnt really care about it, and 300h is more than good enough for rest of the world.

I see much larger possibility of them doing stronger V6 or that 2.5l turbo with well over 300hp with AWD than multistage hybrid.
As many of us have discussed, they are due for a new hybrid system for ES, NX, RX, etc... so... maybe that's it? It seems to me that ES300h has been very popular here. I'd say 25% of ESs I see are 300h.

As much as I would love a new V6 and AWD, I've decided to tamper my expectations, haha. I think I was hoping for a car that straddled the line between GS and ES- a la Audi A6 in execution, but it seems more realistic that Lexus is just done with the entire concept of a GS and is going to predictably evolve the ES. With that said, I'm now expecting 2GR-FKS with 8AT and the new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system as optional. Offering an ES 250 might not be a bad idea since it's a relatively light chassis and the new 2.5L DF 4cyl is a strong engine. 4cyl TLX has been a strong seller... not everyone cares about HP.

So maybe...

ES 250 - 205hp I4
ES 300h - new hybrid system based on I4, 230 combined HP
ES 350 - 301hp V6
Gecko
spwolf
just dont set up yourself for disappointment :).

I would love if they do stronger hybrid option with it, however I question where it will be sold - US doesnt really care about it, and 300h is more than good enough for rest of the world.

I see much larger possibility of them doing stronger V6 or that 2.5l turbo with well over 300hp with AWD than multistage hybrid.
As many of us have discussed, they are due for a new hybrid system for ES, NX, RX, etc... so... maybe that's it? It seems to me that ES300h has been very popular here. I'd say 25% of ESs I see are 300h.

As much as I would love a new V6 and AWD, I've decided to tamper my expectations, haha. I think I was hoping for a car that straddled the line between GS and ES- a la Audi A6 in execution, but it seems more realistic that Lexus is just done with the entire concept of a GS and is going to predictably evolve the ES. With that said, I'm now expecting 2GR-FKS with 8AT and the new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system as optional. Offering an ES 250 might not be a bad idea since it's a relatively light chassis and the new 2.5L DF 4cyl is a strong engine. 4cyl TLX has been a strong seller... not everyone cares about HP.

So maybe...

ES 250 - 205hp I4
ES 300h - new hybrid system based on I4, 230 combined HP
ES 350 - 301hp V6
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Gecko
As many of us have discussed, they are due for a new hybrid system for ES, NX, RX, etc... so... maybe that's it? It seems to me that ES300h has been very popular here. I'd say 25% of ESs I see are 300h.

As much as I would love a new V6 and AWD, I've decided to tamper my expectations, haha. I think I was hoping for a car that straddled the line between GS and ES- a la Audi A6 in execution, but it seems more realistic that Lexus is just done with the entire concept of a GS and is going to predictably evolve the ES. With that said, I'm now expecting 2GR-FKS with 8AT and the new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system as optional. Offering an ES 250 might not be a bad idea since it's a relatively light chassis and the new 2.5L DF 4cyl is a strong engine. 4cyl TLX has been a strong seller... not everyone cares about HP.

So maybe...

ES 250 - 205hp I4
ES 300h - new hybrid system based on I4, 230 combined HP
ES 350 - 301hp V6
New 300h for FWD platform is out and it is in new Camry and new Avalon. It is quite an improvement over older system with D4S as well as newer hybrid system.

Question is if they will do new 400h or 350h or 2.5l turbo or 3.0l turbo for FWD platforms too. Since more powerful version is mostly needed for US market, I dont think it will be a hybrid. But sure, I would like to see 2 hybrids and 2 petrol engines for western markets too.
S
Gecko
As many of us have discussed, they are due for a new hybrid system for ES, NX, RX, etc... so... maybe that's it? It seems to me that ES300h has been very popular here. I'd say 25% of ESs I see are 300h.

As much as I would love a new V6 and AWD, I've decided to tamper my expectations, haha. I think I was hoping for a car that straddled the line between GS and ES- a la Audi A6 in execution, but it seems more realistic that Lexus is just done with the entire concept of a GS and is going to predictably evolve the ES. With that said, I'm now expecting 2GR-FKS with 8AT and the new Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system as optional. Offering an ES 250 might not be a bad idea since it's a relatively light chassis and the new 2.5L DF 4cyl is a strong engine. 4cyl TLX has been a strong seller... not everyone cares about HP.

So maybe...

ES 250 - 205hp I4
ES 300h - new hybrid system based on I4, 230 combined HP
ES 350 - 301hp V6
New 300h for FWD platform is out and it is in new Camry and new Avalon. It is quite an improvement over older system with D4S as well as newer hybrid system.

Question is if they will do new 400h or 350h or 2.5l turbo or 3.0l turbo for FWD platforms too. Since more powerful version is mostly needed for US market, I dont think it will be a hybrid. But sure, I would like to see 2 hybrids and 2 petrol engines for western markets too.
OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
Gecko
spwolf
New 300h for FWD platform is out and it is in new Camry and new Avalon. It is quite an improvement over older system with D4S as well as newer hybrid system.
Indeed - it is an impressive system, and I assume the 2NX will get it at the redesign. It could definitely go into the ES with no problem, but I wonder if they are developing a more powerful hybrid - like you say, a 400h or 350h - could that be put into ES also? It would be a compelling argument but I assume Lexus would find it unnecessary since it's a relatively light chassis.

At this point they have the new 2.0L hybrid, 2.5L hybrid and 3.5L multi-stage hybrid. What's strange to me is that the 3.5L multi stage hybrid powertrain isn't actually accounted for in the Dynamic Force chart we've all been looking it. It seems that the transmission is included - but not the engine:
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2.5L hybrid (208hp) seems good for Camry, Rav4, NX, etc and 3.5L hybrid (354hp) seems reserved for flagship products, so there is a missing link here. Maybe it is a 3.0L hybrid V6? That would certainly make sense for RX. Weird thing is that the current 3.5L RX hybrid makes 311hp and is an older system... so will the new system be down in displacement and horsepower? So much unknown at this point... I can't even really speculate.

Question is if they will do new 400h or 350h or 2.5l turbo or 3.0l turbo for FWD platforms too. Since more powerful version is mostly needed for US market, I dont think it will be a hybrid. But sure, I would like to see 2 hybrids and 2 petrol engines for western markets too.
For western markets, they really should have 2.0T I4 with ~280hp and a new 3.0T V6 with ~375hp. I'd love for either to go into a next gen ES, but I foresee Lexus thinking the 2GR-FKS is "good enough for now" with 300hp. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?
Gecko
spwolf
New 300h for FWD platform is out and it is in new Camry and new Avalon. It is quite an improvement over older system with D4S as well as newer hybrid system.
Indeed - it is an impressive system, and I assume the 2NX will get it at the redesign. It could definitely go into the ES with no problem, but I wonder if they are developing a more powerful hybrid - like you say, a 400h or 350h - could that be put into ES also? It would be a compelling argument but I assume Lexus would find it unnecessary since it's a relatively light chassis.

At this point they have the new 2.0L hybrid, 2.5L hybrid and 3.5L multi-stage hybrid. What's strange to me is that the 3.5L multi stage hybrid powertrain isn't actually accounted for in the Dynamic Force chart we've all been looking it. It seems that the transmission is included - but not the engine:
[​IMG]


2.5L hybrid (208hp) seems good for Camry, Rav4, NX, etc and 3.5L hybrid (354hp) seems reserved for flagship products, so there is a missing link here. Maybe it is a 3.0L hybrid V6? That would certainly make sense for RX. Weird thing is that the current 3.5L RX hybrid makes 311hp and is an older system... so will the new system be down in displacement and horsepower? So much unknown at this point... I can't even really speculate.

Question is if they will do new 400h or 350h or 2.5l turbo or 3.0l turbo for FWD platforms too. Since more powerful version is mostly needed for US market, I dont think it will be a hybrid. But sure, I would like to see 2 hybrids and 2 petrol engines for western markets too.
For western markets, they really should have 2.0T I4 with ~280hp and a new 3.0T V6 with ~375hp. I'd love for either to go into a next gen ES, but I foresee Lexus thinking the 2GR-FKS is "good enough for now" with 300hp. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?
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OlFius
It looks indeed like the photo of the ES, which was leaked on Monday.
That photo that shows a bit more (mainly than the headlights), it didn't look like a F Sport version, don't you think ?
So, is this the grille of the F Sport or not ?
View attachment 2800

But anyway, this is very promising!:pray::thumbsup:
This is probably the base model grille. In the spy shots the vehicle, that most agree was the F-Sport, had a mesh pattern grille we typically see on other F-Sport models.

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